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« Reply #975 on: June 05, 2009, 07:56:28 PM »

Sorry, but you can't be "right" polling approval ratings. There's no such thing. It's something that cannot be verified.

For some reason his approval and issue polling usually comes out around five to ten points more favorable to Republicans than other polling. 

He uses a Likely Voters, while others poll adults.

"Likely Voters" implies those who voted in the previous election. Some of the voters of 2012 are now only 14 years old. Should the youth vote behave differently from the rest of the vote, then an approval rating can badly distort the likely vote.    

That makes zero sense. An adult poll wouldn't poll that person either.

It also shows how the chance of Obama winning the Presidency was so badly underestimated until late in October.
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« Reply #976 on: June 05, 2009, 10:05:51 PM »

My suspicion is that Rassmussen's numbers dipped down because people aren't in love with the GM takeover.

What do you suggest then, leave GM to fail and cause another economic crisis?  If he ratings went down because of this, the American people are too stupid to know how the economy works. 

How exactly would it cause an economic crisis? You liquidate it and sell it off piece by piece. Do you seriously think the government can run a car company? When is the last time the government has done anything right?

He appears not to understand how bankruptcy works.  If GM filed for bankruptcy in the traditional Chapter 11 (Instead of the version of Chapter 11 they entered into under the federal government's plan), a bankruptcy judge would simply rewrite the terms of the union contract and shrink the brand lines down based on a standard of reasonableness.  The company would restructure and become solvent again.  GM would not go away.

Instead, we've got the government taking over a car company without doing the things that need to be done to make it competitive.  The government will now subsidize make-work jobs at above market wages for the President's labor union backers so Obama can win Michigan in 2012.

In the process, we have prevented companies like Tesla and Magna (Small electrical car manufacturers) from having a fair chance to expand and take over GM's market share.  GM will have massive govenrment aid in retaining its market share and these smaller more agile companies that haven't run themselves into the ground will never have a chance to compete fairly.
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« Reply #977 on: June 05, 2009, 10:45:24 PM »

My suspicion is that Rassmussen's numbers dipped down because people aren't in love with the GM takeover.

What do you suggest then, leave GM to fail and cause another economic crisis?  If he ratings went down because of this, the American people are too stupid to know how the economy works. 

How exactly would it cause an economic crisis? You liquidate it and sell it off piece by piece. Do you seriously think the government can run a car company? When is the last time the government has done anything right?

It would have had a similar affect that letting Lehman fail had on the economy. 
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« Reply #978 on: June 06, 2009, 12:21:24 AM »

this isnt really the place to discuss GM people.
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« Reply #979 on: June 06, 2009, 07:35:33 AM »

Rasmussen

Approve 53%(-1)
Disapprove 47%(+1)

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« Reply #980 on: June 06, 2009, 09:49:31 AM »

Rasmussen

Approve 53%(-1)
Disapprove 47%(+1)



I guess that means he's officially down to election day levels.
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« Reply #981 on: June 06, 2009, 07:25:07 PM »

Rasmussen

Approve 53%(-1)
Disapprove 47%(+1)



I guess that means he's officially down to election day levels.

According to one (and only one) pollster.
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« Reply #982 on: June 06, 2009, 07:29:06 PM »

Well Zogby has him at 51%....
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« Reply #983 on: June 06, 2009, 07:36:22 PM »


Zogby Internet, there is a massive difference between Zogby's normal polls and the internet polls.
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« Reply #984 on: June 06, 2009, 07:42:34 PM »


lol

Zogby Internet, there is a massive difference between Zogby's normal polls and the internet polls.

Yeah. One is garbage and the other is shit
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« Reply #985 on: June 06, 2009, 11:41:47 PM »


Interactive polls are so easy to manipulate that they are worthless.
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« Reply #986 on: June 06, 2009, 11:47:00 PM »

Rasmussen

Approve 53%(-1)
Disapprove 47%(+1)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMqfBlMjU0A
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« Reply #987 on: June 06, 2009, 11:51:49 PM »

Rasmussen had him at 65% on the day after inauguration.

In late January, he was at 69% for Gallup.

A fall is a fall.
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« Reply #988 on: June 06, 2009, 11:56:00 PM »

My suspicion is that Rassmussen's numbers dipped down because people aren't in love with the GM takeover.

What do you suggest then, leave GM to fail and cause another economic crisis?  If he ratings went down because of this, the American people are too stupid to know how the economy works. 

How exactly would it cause an economic crisis? You liquidate it and sell it off piece by piece. Do you seriously think the government can run a car company? When is the last time the government has done anything right?

He appears not to understand how bankruptcy works.  If GM filed for bankruptcy in the traditional Chapter 11 (Instead of the version of Chapter 11 they entered into under the federal government's plan), a bankruptcy judge would simply rewrite the terms of the union contract and shrink the brand lines down based on a standard of reasonableness.  The company would restructure and become solvent again.  GM would not go away.

Instead, we've got the government taking over a car company without doing the things that need to be done to make it competitive.  The government will now subsidize make-work jobs at above market wages for the President's labor union backers so Obama can win Michigan in 2012.

In the process, we have prevented companies like Tesla and Magna (Small electrical car manufacturers) from having a fair chance to expand and take over GM's market share.  GM will have massive govenrment aid in retaining its market share and these smaller more agile companies that haven't run themselves into the ground will never have a chance to compete fairly.

Have you been even following this story at all? There is no DIP financing for GM (or indeed for many companies) out there right now, thanks to the global economic crisis. The kind of Chapter 11 bankruptcy you are talking about is a fantasy. The alternative to nationalization was total liquidation.
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« Reply #989 on: June 07, 2009, 12:01:55 AM »

Rasmussen had him at 65% on the day after inauguration.

In late January, he was at 69% for Gallup.

A fall is a fall.

Of course he's going to fall from his approval ratings right after his inauguration. That should have been the high point of his approvals, at least until some major positive news event happens.
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« Reply #990 on: June 07, 2009, 12:02:49 AM »


Oh, the poll that had him under 50% some months ago? Sorry, I guess I meant one real pollster.
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« Reply #991 on: June 07, 2009, 12:15:22 AM »

Rasmussen had him at 65% on the day after inauguration.

In late January, he was at 69% for Gallup.

A fall is a fall.

Of course he's going to fall from his approval ratings right after his inauguration. That should have been the high point of his approvals, at least until some major positive news event happens.

Then people shouldn't complain about Ras's findings. Some people took the GM bankruptcy thing a bit hard. It's not rocket science to see it as a potential cause for numbers dropping.
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« Reply #992 on: June 07, 2009, 12:21:18 AM »

I've yet to find a non-political person who really knows anything of or cares at all about the GM situation.
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« Reply #993 on: June 07, 2009, 12:22:59 AM »

I've yet to find a non-political person who really knows anything of or cares at all about the GM situation.

That's kind of the point actually.
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« Reply #994 on: June 07, 2009, 12:25:59 AM »

The point is that Rasmussen should stop using a likely voter model in an off-year.
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« Reply #995 on: June 07, 2009, 12:38:19 AM »

The point is that Rasmussen should stop using a likely voter model in an off-year.
It's better than an adult poll.

I really don't see a problem with a likely voter poll, anyway. People were complaining about it, during the election season, too.
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« Reply #996 on: June 07, 2009, 05:13:43 AM »
« Edited: June 07, 2009, 05:22:18 AM by The Chairman »

My suspicion is that Rassmussen's numbers dipped down because people aren't in love with the GM takeover.

What do you suggest then, leave GM to fail and cause another economic crisis?  If he ratings went down because of this, the American people are too stupid to know how the economy works. 

How exactly would it cause an economic crisis? You liquidate it and sell it off piece by piece. Do you seriously think the government can run a car company? When is the last time the government has done anything right?

He appears not to understand how bankruptcy works.  If GM filed for bankruptcy in the traditional Chapter 11 (Instead of the version of Chapter 11 they entered into under the federal government's plan), a bankruptcy judge would simply rewrite the terms of the union contract and shrink the brand lines down based on a standard of reasonableness.  The company would restructure and become solvent again.  GM would not go away.

Instead, we've got the government taking over a car company without doing the things that need to be done to make it competitive.  The government will now subsidize make-work jobs at above market wages for the President's labor union backers so Obama can win Michigan in 2012.

In the process, we have prevented companies like Tesla and Magna (Small electrical car manufacturers) from having a fair chance to expand and take over GM's market share.  GM will have massive govenrment aid in retaining its market share and these smaller more agile companies that haven't run themselves into the ground will never have a chance to compete fairly.

Have you been even following this story at all? There is no DIP financing for GM (or indeed for many companies) out there right now, thanks to the global economic crisis. The kind of Chapter 11 bankruptcy you are talking about is a fantasy. The alternative to nationalization was total liquidation.

Nhoj is actually right that this is not the place to discuss GM, but I have to say that if there is no DIP financing available, then that is a good sign the company can never be viable and it should be allowed to fail and go into liquidation.  If no lenders want a piece of this taxpayers shouldn't want a piece of it either and we've just sunk another couple of billion down a rat hole.  If no one will be a DIP lender to GM then our choice is simply between GM failing now and GM failing later.  I say its cheaper to let it fail now.

But I don't think the issue was financing becuase the banks have more cash on their balance sheet than at any point in a long time.  Further, the government basically owns the banks, too, so a call from Tim Geithner to Jamie Dimon would have been able to produce some DIP financinf, no?  The White House hasn't shied away from using the fact that they own the banks to push their political agenda before. 

But the issue is not and never was DIP financing.  The money could have been gotten, either by GM finding fnancing or by having Treasury throw their elbows around to get the financing.  And if the issue was a lack of financing, the government could have simply provided the financing.  They could have given GM a loan as a stand-in for a bank.  Instead, the government decided to buy a goddam car company.

The issue was never the availablity of financing.  The issue is that the administration wanted to avoid the rewriting of union contracts that would have occurred under a real Chapter 11 process.
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« Reply #997 on: June 07, 2009, 07:38:36 AM »

The point is that Rasmussen should stop using a likely voter model in an off-year.
It's better than an adult poll.

I really don't see a problem with a likely voter poll, anyway. People were complaining about it, during the election season, too.

Really? Who?
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« Reply #998 on: June 07, 2009, 08:19:11 AM »

Until PPP stops showing similar results, it's hard to call Rasmussen an outlier.
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« Reply #999 on: June 07, 2009, 10:42:43 AM »

I highly doubt Obama still has 60% + Approvals for doing nothing productive in the entire time as president. It'll be funny if the pollsters show Obama's #'s go up if GM or Chrysler close down.

All these polls are B.S , you can thank the media for that Cheesy
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