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« Reply #25 on: June 21, 2009, 10:37:19 AM »

Yeah Bush was at 53% on election day 2004, but only got 51% of the vote.

Much would depend Obama's Republican opponent. Someone who disapproves may well vote Obama if the Republican alternative, was, in their eyes, worse still

Much depends on the economy - and Obama's approvals could echo Reagan's. Will Obama be at 35% in Gallup come January 2011? Because that is where Reagan stood in January 1983. Things got worse with Reagan long before they improved to the point that he was re-elected in a landslide

Signs suggests that the president remains personally popular and pretty well-liked but there is, for now, decreasing confidence in aspects of his agenda
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« Reply #26 on: June 22, 2009, 02:55:45 PM »

Nevada (Mason-Dixon)Sad

47% Excellent/Good (25% Excellent, 22% Good)
50% Fair/Poor (25% Fair, 25% Poor)

49% Favorable
32% Unfavorable
19% Neutral

This poll was conducted by Mason-Dixon Polling & Research, Inc. of Washington, D.C., from June 18 through June 19, 2009. A total of 625 registered Nevada voters were interviewed statewide by telephone. All stated they vote regularly in state elections.

http://www.lvrj.com/hottopics/politics/polls/june_2009_polls.html

It looks like the Mountain West states are now 50\50 on Obama, after voting for him decisively in the election. I saw a poll from New Mexico where his numbers were barely 50\50. Colorado approves of him, but not very strongly.

Can anyone explain this? My guess is that the libertarians in these states may have supported Obama on election day, but they don't support him anymore.
I think that when a lot of people voted for Obama, they were giving him a chance. They didn't agree with his views as much as they did McCain, but they wanted to see what he could do.

Surely, those who agreed more with McCain would have voted for him

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Yes, the recession ain't over yet. It's, obviously, a pretty severe one. This president hasn't had the fortune of coming to office with a reasonably good economy and a federal government living well within its means. Yes, there was the bursting of the dot-com bubble but that was nothing compared to this. I don't recall the UK and Europe in recession as a result

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The president is what he is, a pragmatic center-leftist, and generally-speaking, I'd say that is where he is governing from

Still, as far as the economy goes, as long as it remains in down-turn with unemployment rising then this president's approvals are sure to take a hit just as they did with Reagan. In January 1983, he was sitting at 35% approval in Gallup but it wasn't, as we all know, to stay that way

Rome wasn't rebuilt in six months! My advice to the president is to knuckle-down, get on with the job, fight the good fight and do what has to be done

It took me until August 2004 to come out swinging against George W Bush - for ideologically-driven ineptitude. And believe me if Obama, ultimately, proves to be an improvement on that it would most certainly be "change" I can believe in

Oh, and in the context of this Nevada poll, "fair" isn't in itself isn't necessarily a negative assessment. It could, to a degree, imply "lukewarm" to "cool" approval - and Mason-Dixon, where a bit wide of the mark, when it came to how that stated voted in November.

Of course, the libertarian Mountain West could be irked by a rising deficit and all of the spending (or rather investment in this president's case given the nature of the Economic Recovery and Reinvestment Act) - but it didn't prevent the region from re-electing Bush in 2004 did it?
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« Reply #27 on: June 22, 2009, 06:23:40 PM »

National ABC/WP:

http://abcnews.go.com/PollingUnit/story?id=7898197&page=1

Overall: Approve 65% (-4); Disapprove 31% (+5) [Democrats 88% approve; Independents 65% approve; Republicans 26% approve]

International affairs: Approve 61% (-6); Disapprove 32% (+5)
Threat of terrorism: Approve 57% (-); Disapprove 36% (+10) [leads Republicans, 55-34 on trust]
Economy: Approve 56% (-2); Disapprove 41% (+3) [leads Republicans, 55-31 on trust]
Global warming: Approve 54% (-7); Disapprove 28% (+5)
Health care: Approve 53% (-4); Disapprove 39% (+10) [leads Republicans, 55-27 on trust]
Iran: Approve 52% (-2); Disapprove 36% (+1)
Deficit: Approve 48% (-3%); Disapprove 48% (+5) [leads Republicans, 56-30 on trust]
Automakers: Approve 45% (+4); Disapprove 50% (-3)

58% say, beneath it all, Obama is a new-style Democrat who will be careful with the public's money; 36% says he's an old-style, tax-and-spend Democrat

Democratic Party: 56% favorable; 40% unfavorable
Republican Party: 36% favorable; 56% unfavorable

This poll was conducted by telephone June 18-21, 2009, among a random sample of 1,001 adults including landline and cell-phone only users
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« Reply #28 on: June 22, 2009, 07:08:56 PM »

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His ratings are in a freefall. I'm surprised, as my opinion of him has slightly improved over the past few weeks.
Will Obama's approval rating be lower than his disapproval rating by the end of the year, by RCP averages? I was sceptical, but I think there is a chance, unless the economy quickly recovers.

Uh, this isn't what you would call a free fall, more like slow degradation.

The president's approvals, all things considered, are just coming down to Earth. He's had his six months of goodwill and that's about it!
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« Reply #29 on: June 29, 2009, 07:03:12 PM »

CNN/Opinion Dynamics: National

Approve 61% (-1); Disapprove 37% (+2)

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/06/29/obamas-approval-rating-remains-steady-poll-says/

WASHINGTON (CNN) – A new national poll indicates that President Barack Obama's approval rating among Americans remains steady.

Sixty-one percent of people questioned in a CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey released Monday say they approve of how Obama's handling his duties as president. Thirty-seven percent disapprove.

The 61 percent approval rating is down one point from May and down six points from February.

"Since March, Obama's approval rating has gone down one percentage point each month in CNN polls," notes CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. "In March it was 64 percent; in April it was 63 percent. Last month his approval rating stood at 62 percent and now it is at 61 percent."

The poll suggests when it comes to opinions of Obama, gender and generation gaps continue.

Sixty-seven percent of women questioned in the survey approve of how Obama's handling his job as president. That number drops to 54 percent among men. Two-thirds of people under 50 years old questioned in the poll approve of the president's handling of his duties. That number drops to 54 percent among people over 50 years of age.

"We saw these same patterns in the exit polls on election night," Holland says. "It looks like the groups who voted heavily for Obama are sticking with him, but the groups in which his vote was lower are starting to drift."


The CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll was conducted Friday (6/26) through Sunday (6/28), with 1,026 adult Americans questioned by telephone. The survey's sampling error is plus or minus three percentage points.
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« Reply #30 on: July 08, 2009, 07:00:03 AM »

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Nationally, Independents soured on Republicans these past two election cycles (though, IIRC, only in Florida - of the Southern states - did they clearly break for Obama (52-45); pretty evenly split in Virginia - so if Obama's trailing 38-52 in approval then it is bad). It was mostly in the traditionally Democratic and Democratic-leaning swing states where they overwhelmingly split for Obama

It's understandable that if Democratic efforts to rejuvenate the economy are perceived to be falling short that they are souring on Obama

Will Republicans ultimately benefit? Possibly - but lets see how things stand in autumn of 2010. Much could happen, for the better - or for the worse - (at home and abroad) between now and then
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« Reply #31 on: July 09, 2009, 02:19:56 PM »

Obama is down to 51% in Rassy and down to  56% in the RCP average.

Don't worry, Dems, I'm sure that Obama is as invincible as you've all told us for months.

I'm not worried considering Saint Reagan was sitting at 35% in Gallup as of January 1983
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« Reply #32 on: July 19, 2009, 01:03:36 PM »

Gallup is showing higher than just about everyone else. They are the highest on the current RCP by 3 points.

Ras numbers are LV, so that's why they are low. The disapproval rating is higher from the machine polling, as well. I know it's been said before, but for some reason people keep forgetting.

51-49 seems way too low for Obama's approval rating.  I'd say it's around 55-45 right but that's probably a very inaccurate guess on my part.

Rasmussen is good in his election polling, but I'm not so sure about his approval ratings considering the strongly disapprove rating for Bush hovered around 45%, while exit polls showed Bush's approvals significantly lower than those of Rasmussen, so perhaps Obama's disapprovals are too high. Interestingly, his strongly disapproval rating about matches Bush's overall approval rating (post-Katrina, when they really began to hit the tank) so perhaps it's those who remained steadfastly supportive of Bush, who are most hostile to the president
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« Reply #33 on: July 20, 2009, 01:45:10 PM »


8* Generally speaking, do you strongly favor, somewhat favor, somewhat oppose or strongly oppose the health care reform plan proposed by President Obama and the congressional Democrats?

28% Strongly favor
19% Somewhat favor
11% Somewhat oppose
35% Strongly oppose
6% Not sure

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« Reply #34 on: July 20, 2009, 07:38:42 PM »


Agreed. First, he needs to forge a consensus among Democrats. No wonder confidence is slipping, if they cannot so much as form a group of two Roll Eyes. Republicans, no doubt, will be scratching around somewhere in that dogma of theirs but, all the while health care costs were rising, emaciating the middle class and having a detrimental impact on economic growth and job creation, I don't recall them doing anything about it. Nero fiddled while Rome burned, but the Republicans only snored

Still maybe the president is pushing the ideological comfort zone - and conservatives are spinning what is pragmatically center-left as radical left - but that is leadership Smiley. Any Tom, Dick or George the Inept can cut taxes, that's as easy as pie but raising them, however, modestly, to - shock horror - pay for what is needed takes bottle

The primary role of government is the welfare, and the national security, of its people - and it doesn't run on fresh air

I'll be honest bipartisanship looks and sounds good - and it can be good Smiley - but I have sore misgivings as to whether Republicans are any more rational than they were when Bush the Inept was running the show. It infuriates me the state of things he broke his neck to bequeath

Hell, to think that I was looking forward to quiet life once Obama was elected. So much for the post-ideological era. It won't work when only one side is looking for solutions while the other lot seem to be doing their damdest to encapsulate Einstein's definition of insanity - doing the same thing over and over, yet expecting different results
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« Reply #35 on: July 21, 2009, 08:24:30 AM »


Agreed. First, he needs to forge a consensus among Democrats. No wonder confidence is slipping, if they cannot so much as form a group of two Roll Eyes. Republicans, no doubt, will be scratching around somewhere in that dogma of theirs but, all the while health care costs were rising, emaciating the middle class and having a detrimental impact on economic growth and job creation, I don't recall them doing anything about it. Nero fiddled while Rome burned, but the Republicans only snored

Still maybe the president is pushing the ideological comfort zone - and conservatives are spinning what is pragmatically center-left as radical left - but that is leadership Smiley. Any Tom, Dick or George the Inept can cut taxes, that's as easy as pie but raising them, however, modestly, to - shock horror - pay for what is needed takes bottle

The primary role of government is the welfare, and the national security, of its people - and it doesn't run on fresh air

I'll be honest bipartisanship looks and sounds good - and it can be good Smiley - but I have sore misgivings as to whether Republicans are any more rational than they were when Bush the Inept was running the show. It infuriates me the state of things he broke his neck to bequeath

Hell, to think that I was looking forward to quiet life once Obama was elected. So much for the post-ideological era. It won't work when only one side is looking for solutions while the other lot seem to be doing their damdest to encapsulate Einstein's definition of insanity - doing the same thing over and over, yet expecting different results

Hopefully the Republicans will be more like the Gingrich congress.

The problem Obama has is not selling universal coverage, people of all political views agree on that, but controlling costs. So far, he has yet to convince anybody that the health care bill will lower the rising cost of health care. Add the enormous budget deficit, and Obama is going to have a very hard time getting this legislation passed.

The deficit never stopped Republicans in Congress from granting Bush the Inept his every whim and folly!

So lets look at the starting point of the Bush and Obama presidencies. There is a world of difference between a Republican inheriting a robust economy which had generated 23 million new jobs only to bequeath his Democratic successor a broken economy haemorrhaging jobs at a rate not seen since the recession of the early 1980s - and that's after $1.6 trillion in tax cuts!. They, obviously, fell short. That's no record to be proud of but there was a man who revelled in his own ineptitude more than any pig ever revelled rollicking around in its own muck. "I got an A in cutting taxes". And? Anybody can cut taxes, that doesn't take balls

The primary cause of the budget deficit is the fiscal ineptitude and an abdication of responsibility on the part of George W Bush and a servile party in Congress. Cutting taxes at a time of prosperity, when the federal government was living well within its means? Hell, that's a level of insanity verging on the indefensible

Seems to me that the entire raison d'etre of the contemporary Republican Party is that because they so were so God dam abysmal in government, it's proof positive that government doesn't work. They've predicted catatrophe with just about any reasonable piece of domestic legislation since the 'New Deal'; yet when it comes down to it, in the post-Depression era, when it comes to robust economic growth; a more equitable rise in prosperity and job creation, the Democratic record, collectively, trumps that of Republicans

Very little of the current deficit can be attributed to this president but he'll get all the blame; and while the 'Great Recession' rages, the deficits aren't going to get any better, which means that Obama is going to have to make tough choices as far raising taxes and/or cutting spending goes, which Bush neither had the bottle nor the brains to address

What would have happened to a Democratic president in 2004 had he been as fiscally reckless? It would have been a big issue, as it happens it was non-issue. Indeed, for Dick Cheney, Saint Reagan was proof positive that deficits didn't matter but the same logic, surprise, surprise can't hold now that a Democrat is president and his party controls Congress. Can't be having any of that?

And don't get me started on Gingrich, Pond Life by name, as well as by nature. That sanctimonious hypocritical scumbag who instigated a persecuting witch hunt against Bill Clinton. That far right nut is the reason why relations on Capitol Hill are so bloody toxic to this day. He was given the Speaker's gavel by the right of his party. Pelosi owes hers to the electoral success of moderate Democrats. Moderate Republicans, on the other hand, are a dying breed. Liberal Republicans are extinct

There was a time when Democrats and Republicans could knuckle-down, work together and get things done but today when you have an entire party, more or less, in thrall to the same dogmatic excess wherein all the causation lies for the 'Great Recession', bipartisanship - despite this president's sincere and genuine attempts at it. [Yes, he had a "liberal" voting record in the Senate; but all that tells me is that he had the good sense not to find much ground with Republican irrationalism - and, my oh my, look at the consequences of that]

The simple truth is that liberals are the pragmatists and conservatives the radicals - and failed reactionary ones at that! I'm giving Obama his fair shot, he's been dealt a very poor hand - and Bush wants to think a thousand shames of himself. And as Sen. Tom Harkin of Iowa would say "It makes my blood boil"

A prediction, if Obama falls short it sharply diminishes his chances of re-election but there will be none of that Bush atttitude. "Hell, I've screwed-up so bad, I'm going to do my damdest to make sure the other guy has an impossible task ahead of him".

When conservatism returns to its pragmatic Burkean roots (Burke was no radical) sentiments, on my part, might change. That said, I'm a Christian Democrat, so "fusionism" was never going to rest well on my conscience. Capitalism either works for the well-being of all, or it doesn't work at all

The middle class are the lifeblood of the economy but when they become emaciated to the extent that they have that only serves to economic good whatsoever. Even in 2004, more than 80% of Americans felt they gained nothing from the Bush tax cuts. There was a pretty illuminating article I read, back then, entitled "Bush: By Numbers" - and it was a damming indictment - but a majority didn't take any notice. More fools them

Godspeed to this president because the reactionary forces in thrall to special interests are out to scupper him. It's clear he's going to be held to a higher standard than George W Bush ever was - that's the about the only certainty - and, being a meritocrat, that's exactly how it should be. And ain't merit a funny thing consideing what would George W Bush ever have accomplished, politically, were it not for him being the drone-like eldest son of a blue-blooded Yankee Republican who relocated to Texas? Texas had a popular Democratic governor. There was never any need for him and there certainly wasn't any need for him in January 2001

Surprising as it may seem, I didn't dislike Bush personally until Katrina because strumming away there while New Orleans flooded as though he had not a care in the world informed just exactly who he was. It didn't look very appropriate

Anyway, this is an Obama approvals rating thread but, as the Good Lord Knoweth, when things need to be said, I'll say it. I speak my mind without fear or favor, I've never been afraid to stand behind my own beliefs

Signed: Without Prejudice*

* Because Barack and the Democrats will be getting a kick up the jacksy, when they need it as well. In many respects, I'm tougher on my own kind than I am on the other lot. It's a question of standards. And ya either got 'em or ya ain't and folks I got 'em Wink

Anyway I'm off to kip before Rasmussen (R) brings on another busted blood vessel
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« Reply #36 on: July 21, 2009, 11:50:28 AM »

Latest newsweek poll!!!

Obama approval:
approve- 69 pc
dissaprove-18 pc

Is the party I/D something like 48% Dem, 20% Rep or something?
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« Reply #37 on: July 21, 2009, 12:02:28 PM »

Can't find the Newsweek poll Huh

But meanwhile down at Rasmussen [7/21/09] its:

Approve 51% (+1); Disapprove 47% (-2)

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« Reply #38 on: July 21, 2009, 12:19:05 PM »


Taking the mickey, is he?
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« Reply #39 on: July 21, 2009, 04:42:31 PM »

All these statewide polls tell me that Obama has only moderate approval in most states, but very strong in Democratic strongholds. This is good news for both sides in a way. The GOP can make inroads into lean-Dem states, while the Democrats have a solid wall of states they will almost definitely hold.

Taking the last five presidential elections, the Democrats have a wall of 18 states plus D.C., which currently stands at 248 electoral votes compared with a Republican wall, of 13 states, totalling 95 electoral votes. You could add the Clinton states (AR, KY, LA, TN and WV) to the GOP as well given only KY saw a modest swing to the Democrats in 2008. Of course, 1992 and 1996 had Ross Perot in the mix

Perhaps the floor of the Democratic Party has reached a point to which an electoral majority is a lot easier than that of the Republican Party. But positive accomplishments, for the president and his party, are going to matter immensely moving forward

Looking at the latest Diageo/Hotline, voters may be sour with politicians (period) considering the president's approvals slumped 9%; congressional Democrats' approval slumped 8% and congressional Republicans' approval slumped 9%. If that were to hold, maybe a significant third party candidacy could be a factor in 2012

As for NJ, Corzine seems most certainly a drag on the Democratic brand and I doubt of the two Democratic senators are particularly held in high esteem either. But then NJ has a habit of disliking its Democrats only to re-elect them. Still, if Christie doesn't win it for the Republicans this fall but what does Corzine have pots of? Lish, lolly, the moolah. I'm not sure I'd support Corzine and I certainly have reservations as to the extent to which the president should get too actively involved. His job is to lead, to govern, to motivate - the nation through stormy seas

As for VA does it want to role the die on continued Democratic governence or dos it want 'change'? At least, the VA GOP rid itself of an inflamatory state party chairman and Bob McDonnell is obviously an attractive prospect to Virginians, since he has the edge over Deeds. Kaine seems, reasonably, popular but by no means to extent Warner was and, indeed, is - and rightly so, he was, obviously, a very good governor - and would make a very good president, one day, if he could only get out of the primary starting blocks
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« Reply #40 on: July 23, 2009, 01:38:53 PM »

For now, I'm Smiley with any poll that shows the president either ahead of, or thereabouts, the % of the popular vote in the states that he carried. I'm not too concerned about the McCain states though I will say the latest Strategic Vision for Georgia is disappointing. Wonder if the demographics were realistic?
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« Reply #41 on: July 23, 2009, 01:42:14 PM »

PPP Louisiana:

Obama: 44% approve, 50% disapprove
74% of Dems approve, 30% of indeps approve, 12% of Reps approve
91% of AA's approve, 25% of whites approve

Landrieu: 43% approve, 43% disapprove

Jindal: 55% approve

Palin: 46% favorable, 42% unfavorable

Jindal vs Obama: Jindal 54, Obama 40

Palin vs Obama: Palin 49, Obama 42

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_Louisiana_722.pdf

Bad numbers for Palin considering it's Louisiana, one of the few states that swung GOP in '08. Obama's numbers are better than what I expected here.

Yes, I was pleasantly surprised to see his approval rating as high as 44% in Louisiana
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« Reply #42 on: July 23, 2009, 05:28:05 PM »

Just for the record, Obama is at his lowest approval and highest disapproval in Gallup polling:

Approve 55%
Disapprove 39%

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

It's all over!!  It's all over!!

President Obama will be a one termer!!!

BYE BYE BARACK!  BYE BYE BARACK!!

As of January 1983, Ronald Reagan looked like he was going to be one termer too given that he was riding in at 35% approval according to Gallup
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« Reply #43 on: July 23, 2009, 05:37:24 PM »

Just for the record, Obama is at his lowest approval and highest disapproval in Gallup polling:

Approve 55%
Disapprove 39%

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

It's all over!!  It's all over!!

President Obama will be a one termer!!!

BYE BYE BARACK!  BYE BYE BARACK!!

As of January 1983, Ronald Reagan looked like he was going to be one termer too given that he was riding in at 35% approval according to Gallup

Excuses excuses.  I smell desperation!!

IT'S ALL OVER!!!!!  Like an OVERBID on the Price is Right with Bob Barker.  I can even hear Barker sadly saying 'You're Over!' with the loser horns playing in the background.

No desparation here. I've always said that Obama will be held to a high standard, such is the ideological nature of America. As for Reagan's approvals, as of January 1983, I'm merely stating a fact
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« Reply #44 on: July 23, 2009, 06:10:36 PM »

Just for the record, Obama is at his lowest approval and highest disapproval in Gallup polling:

Approve 55%
Disapprove 39%

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

It's all over!!  It's all over!!

President Obama will be a one termer!!!

BYE BYE BARACK!  BYE BYE BARACK!!

As of January 1983, Ronald Reagan looked like he was going to be one termer too given that he was riding in at 35% approval according to Gallup

Excuses excuses.  I smell desperation!!

IT'S ALL OVER!!!!!  Like an OVERBID on the Price is Right with Bob Barker.  I can even hear Barker sadly saying 'You're Over!' with the loser horns playing in the background.

No desparation here. I've always said that Obama will be held to a high standard, such is the ideological nature of America. As for Reagan's approvals, as of January 1983, I'm merely stating a fact

Considering how badly George W. Botch messed things up, making things far more dangerous for America, it is necessary that President Obama be held to a higher standard than his predecessor.

I almost think that he welcomes a higher standard.

two words:  North Korea.

four letters: Iran. 

I agree that the President of the United States should be held to a high standard, irrespective of whether they are a Democrat or a Republican but I still think the ideological make-up means Democrats have less margin for error

The sooner this economy shows tangible signs of turning a corner, the better Smiley. Didn't you know that the deficit is all Obama's fault?
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« Reply #45 on: July 23, 2009, 06:23:04 PM »

Nevertheless, a two-day slide in Gallup from 61% to 55% is a bit worrying Sad
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« Reply #46 on: July 23, 2009, 07:49:03 PM »


Nevertheless, until Obama starts becoming fiscally responsible, I can't see his approval rating going up.

That all sounds rather rich to me Ronnie Smiley - and I know you were critical of Bush's spending. Neverthless, the president and his party when in control of Congress were far from being fiscally responsible). The House passed pay-go, yesterday, (13 Democrats voted against; 24 Republicans voted in favor). Hopefully, most of what they hope to accomplish can be funded from spending cuts elsewhere rather than tax increases. This may well mean that any further tax cuts the president would like to enact are going to have to be funded. That tells me that the Democrats are committed to fiscal responsibility - and in this environment, it ain't going to be easy

Down the line, this president is going to have to make the tough and, potentially, painful choices, on taxes and spending, his predecessor neither had the guts nor the sense to address - and that's leadership. The entire Bush presidency was characterized by an abandonment of fiscal responsibility - yet I only hear Republicans atoning for the spending. As for tax cuts, they are still proposing those as though they were some all-encompassing panacea yet in spite of $1.6 trillion enacted under Bush - the best he can bequeath is the 'Great Recession'. Doing their damdest to encapsulate Einstein's definition of insanity or what? Go down that road, and everytime a down-turn comes along, they'd be nowt left to cut

I don't particularly like either but tax-and-spend trumps borrow-and-spend. Bush could have made a conscious effort to kept the government living within its means but he didn't. In fact, the GOP rarely practices its so-called fiscal principles. Reagan didn't and W certainly didn't. Bush 41 did to a point - and if they'd had a cross, they'd have crucified him. Republicans, in sum, given their track record are hypocrites

Any one can cut taxes; politically, its the easiest thing in the world - but it takes balls to raise them, especially given the nation's 30 year old tax allergy
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« Reply #47 on: July 23, 2009, 07:53:29 PM »

I personally hope they just keep getting lower and lower, because I think everything about him is scary and anti-American and I'm glad my fellow citizens are starting to wise up to his act

Never expected you to be struck down by Obama Derangment Syndrome, Clay, but then you are a fan of the hate-inciting Palin. Disgusting what she elicited from her rallies. Aye they reached an international audience and its one thing for right wing fringies (as they do in other parts of the Free World, which your president leads), to engage in that but a potential Vice-President of the United States? Shame
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« Reply #48 on: July 23, 2009, 08:02:36 PM »

I think Republicans need to step back and see how things play out.  Obama's still very early on in his first term and there's more than enough time for him to make these falling numbers go back up again before the next election.  I personally hope they just keep getting lower and lower, because I think everything about him is scary and anti-American and I'm glad my fellow citizens are starting to wise up to his act, but Republicans need to take all of this with a grain of salt or else they'll appear as even bigger fools than they've been acting like for the past six or seven months.
How is anything Obama does scary and anti-American?

At least this president is raising his country's image wherever he goes (and beyond!) - and I'd say that was a very pro-American thing to be accomplishing. Far from being an "apologist", this president is playing the role of "restorationist"
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« Reply #49 on: July 24, 2009, 08:53:25 AM »


Virginia:

44% Approve (-15)
49% Disapprove (+13)

Who the hell did they call to get an (unrealistic) swing like that?

Or just maybe their VA poll before this one was unrealistic. Anywho, this seems close to right.

Not in a state which Obama carried by 6.3% it doesn't
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