President Forever results thread...

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I was playing the new President Forver + Primaries as Former Vice President Al Gore against Arizona Senator John McCain in 2008. Here's the results

Al Gore/Tom Daschle 69,547,001 61.7% (429 E.V.)
John McCain/Duncan Hunter 43,234,714 37.3% (109 E.V.)

Here's another game I played this time as former Massachussets Governor Mitt Romney against 2004 Democratic nominee and Senator from Massachussets John Kerry; Senator Kerry selected Illinois Senator Barack Obama as his running mate, I (as Romney) selected former Florida Governor Jeb Bush. Here's my map:

Romney-Bush 68,509,570 58.4% (425 E.V.)
Kerry-Obama  48,580,854 41.6% (113 E.V.)

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In memory of the late President Gerald Rudolph Ford Junior, I narrowly won as incumbent President Ford. Here's the results from the Electoral College.

Ford-Reagan 50% 284 EV
Carter-Mondale 45% 254 EV
McCarthy-Lucey 5% 0 EV

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I just played my custom made 2008 Presidential Election scenario. It was quite an interesting election. Well here's the results.

The tickets were:

Governor Michael Shandling (Minnesota)-Senator Dick Ford (Arkansas) 39% (49,258,177) 274 EV

Senator Gary Lewis (Tennessee)-Senator Homer Baxter (Arizona) 38% (47,661,812) 244 EV

President of Bobrick Enterprises Nathan Bobrick(Washington)-Former Governor Barbara Mitchell (New Jersey) 22% (27,715,416) 21 EV

I played as Nathan Bobrick. I didn't run any of my commericals until the final 5 days of the election. My poll numbers went from 10% to 22% in the space of 5 days.

* The Grey on the map represents the Bobrick-Mitchell tickets EV's.

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I am so pissed off right now! I was just playing as General Wes Clark against President George W. Bush in the defult 2004 Presidential scenario in p4e. Well have a look for yourself how I came back from the dead and won the popular vote against President Bush.

Two weeks to go

2 weeks out election polls:
Bush: 49%
Clark: 40%
UND: 7%

One day to go

P.S. I forgot to include Minnesota in the Clark collumn.

One day out election polls:
Bush: 45% (-4)
Clark: 49% (+8)
UND: 2% (-4)

Election Night Predictions

Bush/Cheney= 246 EV (Including Maryland)
Clark/Dean= 292 EV (Including New Hampshire)

Final Election Results

Well there you go. I won the popular vote by 5 percent, but lost the presidency by 8 Electoral Votes. The joy of American democracy.

Popular Vote Details:
Bush/Cheney: 47% (59,162,150) 273 E.V.
Clark/Dean: 52% (65,013,081) 265 E.V

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Celebrity Challenge 2004 -- Britney Spears/Freddie Prinze Junior (R) vs. Danny Glover/Michael Moore (D) (Me)

This one was a Classic. As per usual when I play the original President Forever, I don't run my commericals until the final two weeks of the campaign. With two weeks to go, the Democratic ticket of Danny Glover (Leathol Weapon Series) and Michael Moore (Bowling for Columbine and Fahrenheit 9/11) seemed to be going down the track of Mondale/Ferraro '84. That's until I created havock for the Spears campaign when I released 5 commericals attacking here integrity.

As the campaign went into it's final phase, the major battleground states (California, Arizona, Illinois, Pennsylvania, Maine, Nevada and New Mexico) were all neck and neck. But by election night it was a narrow win for..........

Danny Glover has been elected 44th President of the United States!!!!!

The major details

Danny Glover/Michael Moore (D): 51% (64,660,493) 292 EV's
Britney Spears/Freddie Prinze Junior (R): 48% (59,745,153) 246 EV's

Boy that was GOOD!

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That's until I created havock for the Spears campaign when I released 5 commericals attacking here integrity.

Was every ad attacking integrity?  Because if so, all but one of those ads were actually completely useless - you can't "double up" on a single issue; the impact of multiple ads on the same topic is simply that of the ad with the highest power.

There's also the issue that you can only capitalize on an opponent's negative momentum if you yourself have positive momentum, thereby stealing the voters that are shaved off by the other guy's freefall.  If both of you are in the negative, the impact is nowhere near as strong.

Whenever I make ads, I always make them half on my positives, and half on the other guy's negatives, and always make each ad on a different subject to maximize the benefit reaped from them.

Just a little friendly advice on the inner mechanics of the game.

However, I did make about 2 commericals infavor of Danny Glover on Leadership and Integrity. If you want to know I why I attacked Britney on her integrity, that's because of her recent fall-outs, such as her going in and out of rehab, dropping her baby, marrying K-FedX and yada-yada-yada.

But usually, when I'm playing properly, I usually start off with my views on the issues. For instance, when I was playing as Governor Bill Richardson against former Massachussets Governor Mitt Romney, I heavily focused the campaign on Richardson's energy plans. Modified my position on the Iraq War and then with 2 weeks to go, I pounded Romney on Iraq. But it was no use, I lost the presidency by losing Ohio and Arizona, but I won the popular vote by some 1.5 percent.

Thanks for the advice anyway SoFA Gabu.

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Today I just played as New York Mayor, Michael Bloomberg in his independent candidacy in 2008.

The Democratic ticket was Senator Christopher Dodd and former Governor Mark Warner.

The Republican ticket was former Governor Mitt Romeny and Senator Chuck Hagel.

The election was quite close between Dodd and Romney for the first four weeks, until Romney launched a massive attack add campaign, against Dodd in key sign states of Wisconsin, Michigan, Minnesota, Iowa and Illinois, Pennsylvania, Washington, Oregon and New Hampshire.

In the end the election turned out like this:



Romney/Hagel 50,646,055 369 EV 49.7%
Dodd/Warner 43,626,722 169 EV 42.8%
Bloomberg/Zinni 7,694,373 0 EV 7.5%

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How did you set yours up like that, Rockefeller Republican?

When you're starting a game, you should be able to select which parties you have turned on and off at the first page after selecting the scenario.  You can also turn primaries off, which enables you to simply select the candidates after that page.

Yes, I've done that, but he has the territories as part of his...

First of all, I'm sorry for the long wait in response to your question, Ohio4Phillies. I got the scenario send to me from a guy off the 80soft forum (which is now defunct). I can get a copy of it and put it on the forum so you guys can download it.

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John Edwards/Russ Feingold (D) 304 EV 45.1%
Mike Huckabee/Mitt Romney (R) 234 EV 43.7%
Mike Bloomberg/Anthony Zinni (I) 0 EV 7.6%
Steve Kubby/George Phillies (L) 0 EV 3.6%

This was a race I could have easily won, but I easily lost it even thought election eve polls were predicting I would win Pennsylvania and Arizona (which would have won me the election!). And somehow on election day eve, Kubby and Bloomberg managed to get an extra 2%!

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Richard Nixon vs. John F. Kennedy vs. Orval Fabus (ME)

Like the 2000 Presidential Election between Bush and Gore, this one was exactly like it, where Kennedy narrowly won. And like Bush, Kennedy lost the popular vote to Nixon!

John F. Kennedy/Stuart Symington (D): 270 Electoral Votes, 46% (36,298,410)
Richard Nixon/Nelson Rockefeller (R): 267 Electoral Votes, 49% (39,158,429)
Orval Fabus/John Crommelin (SR): 0 Electoral Votes, 4% (3,395,662)

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Richard Nixon vs. John F. Kennedy vs. Orval Fabus (ME)

Like the 2000 Presidential Election between Bush and Gore, this one was exactly like it, where Kennedy narrowly won. And like Bush, Kennedy lost the popular vote to Nixon!

John F. Kennedy/Stuart Symington (D): 270 Electoral Votes, 46% (36,298,410)
Richard Nixon/Nelson Rockefeller (R): 267 Electoral Votes, 49% (39,158,429)
Orval Fabus/John Crommelin (SR): 0 Electoral Votes, 4% (3,395,662)

Rocky, weren't you supposed to send a few of us the President Forever file?

Don't worry Hashemite. Have patience my friend. Anyway this is from the original President Forever. 80soft were to dodgy not to make one with the 1960 scenario.

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George W. Bush vs. Al Sharpton (ME)

I just rushed through the game, not releasing my commericals until the final 2 days of the campaign. This is how the networks predicted the 2004 Presidential Election:

George W. Bush (R) 417 EV 54%
Al Sharpton (D) 117 EV 46%

The 2004 Presidential Election ended up being a George W. Bush victory, however the popular vote was very close with Bush recieving 50% Sharpton 49%. I somehow won Bush's homestate of Texas!  This is how the elected ended up turning like:

George W. Bush/Dick Cheney (R): 318 Electoral Votes, 50% (62,239,990)
Al Sharpton/Howard Dean (D): 220 Electoral Votes, 49% (61,940,041)

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West Wing 2006: Vinick vs. Santos vs. Gillette (me)

Arnold Vinick/Ray Sullivan (R) 296 EV 46% (58,011,651)
Matthew V. Santos/Leo McGarry (D) 242 EV 41% (51,604,000)
Seth Gillette/Jim Jerich (I) 0 EV 12% (15,110,530)

I managed to finish second  in two states as Senator Seth Gillette they were:

North Dakota:

Arnold Vinick 49.1% (140,859)
Seth Gillette 26.0% (71,690)
Matt Santos 24.8% (71,181)

District of Columbia:

Matt Santos 61.3% (154,750)
Seth Gillette 22.1% (55,784)
Arnold Vinick 16.5% (41,587)

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1980: Reagan/Bush vs. Carter/Mondale (me) vs. Clark/Koch

James E. Carter/Walter F. Mondale (D) 361 EV 53% (53,897,716)
Ronald W. Reagan/George H. W. Bush (R) 177 EV 42% (42,797,560)
Ed Clark/David Koch (L) 0 EV 3% (3,128,897)

I ran numerous attack adds against the Reagan campaign on Leadership and Experience. The adds seemed to work. I went from trailing in the North and Midwest to be well out in front. I never though I could win as Jimmy Carter in the 1980 campaign, I proved myself wrong

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1992: George H.W. Bush vs. Bill Clinton (me) vs. Ross Perot

George H.W. Bush/J. Danforth Quayle (R) 270 EV 38% (41,994,651)
William J. Clinton/Albert A. Gore Jnr (D) 268 EV 43% (47,970,416)
H. Ross Perot/James Stockdale (I) 0 EV 17% (19,725,278)

I did what I usually do whilst playing President Forever. I ran as Bill Clinton and played all my commericials with about 2 weeks to go. I came within two electoral college votes from the Presidency. Like the RL election of 2000, the Democrats won the popular vote but lost the Electoral College vote.

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I ran as Governor Mario Coumo in the Democratic primaries against the RL life Democratic field including Senator Ted Kennedy. At the start of the campaign it was a Kennedy-Coumo tie until I unleashed attacks on his integrity, reminding voters about Chappaqudick. I easily cruised to the Democratic nomination and selected Senator Al Gore to be my running mate.

Whilst on the Republican side, I left Vice President George H. W. Bush out of the race and kept the RL Republican field including Senator Howard Baker. It was a 4 way tie between Dole-Kemp-Baker-Robertson until Baker and Dole endorsed Robertson. The race was then left with Congressman Kemp and Reverand Robertson, I thought Kemp was going to win, until he endorses Robertson as well! For Vice President, Reverand Robertson selected Senator Jesse Helms of all people.

The General Election campaign was unusually close between myself and Robertson. That was all put to rest when I unleashed numerous attack add campaigns on Robertson's experience and his position on School Prayer. I also made numerous adds about my leadership and experience.

Mario Coumo/Al Gore (D) 390 EV 53.8% (63,786,377)

Pat Robertson/Jesse Helms (R) 39.5% (46,787,361)

Lenora Fulani/Fred Newman (NA) 0 EV 6.7% (7,905,712)

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United States Senate 2006

Map Key:

Republican
Democratic
Bernie Sanders Independent
_{Note: Joe Lieberman's Connecticut for Lieberman is coloured red because he is caucusing with the Democratic party.}

I ran as the Republicans led by Kay Bailey Hutchinson of Texas in the 2006 Senatorial Elections. I managed to pull off a surprising win by managing to hold onto seats in Montana, Missouri and Rhode Island. I also managed to win Bob Menendez's seat in New Jersey. Some of the states were really close, when I mean close they were really close. Here are the results in those seats.

Virginia:
Jim Webb (D) 50.0% (1,367,819)
George Allen (R) 50.0% (1,365,977)

Missouri:
Jim Talent (R) 50.6% (1,097,587)
Claire McCaskill (D) 49.3% (1,068,075)

Montana:
Conrad Burns (R) 50.7% (175,260)
Jon Tester (D) 49.2% (169,889)

New Jersey:
Thomas Kean Jnr (R) 50.7% (1,660,858)
Bob Menendez (D) 49.2% (1,610,800)

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American Government Simulation 2004

Nation Hahn/Jim Dallas (D): 372 EV, 46% (57,659,452)
Adam Yoshida/Colin Carpenter (R): 166 EV, 40% (49,977,719)
Leonard Hobbes/Max Cherry (F): 0 EV, 13% (16,640,619)

Like most of my Presidential campaigns, I didn't run any commericials until the final two weeks of the Presidential campaign. Prior to the Hahn/Dallas campaign running numerous attack adds on President Yoshida, the Yoshida/Carpener campaign were predicted to win with more than 411 Electoral College votes.

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2008: Fictional Presidents

I ran as Independence Day President Thomas Whitmore (Bill Pullman) against Dave President Dave Kovic (Kevin Kline). It was a pretty close election from when the campaign began to it's finish in early November. I ran commericals attacking Kovic's Leadership. whilst balancing it out with commercials boasting my leadership when the Aliens attacked in July 1996. On Election Day the polls were too close to call with Kovic leading by 0.4% over Whitmore. This is how the networks were predicting the Electoral College map:

Dave Kovic/Gary Nance (D): 246 EV
Thomas Whitmore/Dave Levinson (R): 158 EV
Undecided (U): 134 EV

_{Many of the networks were predicting that Kovic would win California, Texas, Lousiania and Florida by narrow margins over Whitmore. Whitmore was predicted to win Colorado.}

However when it came to Election Night Thomas Whitmore defeated Dave Kovic for the Presidency of the United States. Narrowly in the PV count (50.3 - 49.7%), but easily won in the Electoral College count (319 - 219). Here's the Electoral College map.

Thomas Whitmore/David Levinson (R): 319 EV, 50.3% (61,687,825)
Dave Kovic/Gary Nance (D): 219 EV, 49.7% (60,975,614)

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That was very bizarre scenario Polnut. A question I would like to ask President Forever + Primary players. Do Third Party's PV's go up by 3-6% on Election Day? Because this has happened to me many times. It even cost me the election running as a moderate Mike Huckabee.

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Hey Polnut in President Forever are you a Governor, Senator, Congressman or maverack businessman? I do remember in P4E your "from" Pennsylvania.

FYI: In President Forever, I'm a liberal Republican Senator from Maine.

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Henry 'Scoop' Jackson/James E. Carter (D): 270 EV, 48.9% (48,774,164)
Ronald W. Reagan/Richard Schweitker (R): 268 EV, 49.4% (49,346,657)
Eugene McCarthy/Numerous Running Mates (I): 0 EV, 1.7% (1,715,562)

This was a very weird election. I ran as Henry 'Scoop' Jackson against Ronald Reagan for the Presidency of the United States. I decided not to run a single commercial until the final two weeks of the campaign. It managed to work, with me narrowly becoming 39th President of the United States. Thanks to a narrow victory in Lousiania.

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American Government Simulation - 2004

Adam Yoshida (R): 323 EV, 41% (51,180,924)
Allison Marshall (L): 199 EV, 27% (34,240,724)
Nation Hahn (D): 16 EV, 31% (39,136,812)

A very strange game of President Forever as per usual. This time I added a strong Libertarian candidate to the American Government Simulation scenario. I gave her alot of money, $750,000,000 to be precise and a fair bit of points. For most of the campaign I stayed on 10% in the polls until I released a heap of adds attacking President Yoshida's policy on Military Intervention. This worked and I started to make head way in a few states. This resembles the results in the map above.

My best state was New Hampshire, where I managed to gain about 50% of the vote, with Yoshida and Hahn getting the rest of them.

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In the past two days I have ran a very interesting race as Jay Rockefeller vying for the Democratic Presidential Nomination in 1992. I turned Governor Bill Clinton off and turned on Governor Mario Coumo and Senator Bill Bradley. The race ended up being a tousle between myself and Governor Coumo, at one stage I had a slender 4 delegate lead over Coumo, until my lead increased to 193, thanks to which got me the nomination in '92

Here's the Primary map that resulted between Rockefeller and Coumo. Quite interesting I must admit.

Jay Rockefeller 1800 Delegates 49.8% of the Popular Vote
Mario Coumo 1607 Delegates 50.2% of the Popular Vote

After I was nominated at the Democratic National Convention in Chicago, I selected Senator Bob Graham of Florida to be my running mate. Whilst on the Republican side, President Bush replaced Vice President Quayle with Journalist Pat Buchanan!

This is how the map looked like when all the tickets were finalised on July 21, 1992:

Jay Rockefeller/Bob Graham (D): 336 EV (39.5%)
George Bush/Pat J. Buchanan (R): 64 EV (33.1%)
H. Ross Perot/James Stockdale (I): 13 EV (24.4%)
Toss Up/Undecided (T): 125 EV (3%)

As the campaign progressed I attacked both candidates on their Leadership qualities, George Bush's Economic Policy (alot) and Perot's Policy on Bosnia and Somalia. Not to mention I did quite alot of pro-Rockefeller commericials on the Economy, Leadership, Experience and Bosnia and Somalia. On Election Day, I was elected President of the United States defeating President Bush by 8.6% in the polls and by 100 plus EV's here's the map:

Jay Rockefeller/Bob Graham (D): 353 EV, 42.2% (46,407,923)
George H. Bush/Pat J. Buchanan (R): 174 EV, 33.7% (37,076,433)
H. Ross Perot/James Stockdale (I): 11 EV, 24.2% (26,612,509)

I narrowly lost both Texas and Florida by narrow margins, Bush beat me 37.6-37.5-24.9 in Florida and 37.7-37.5-26.8 in Texas. I did managed to win New York and New Mexico with more than 50 percent of the vote.

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Cuomo

Everybody seems to have trouble there.

Oh for f**k sake. It was one letter off Cuomo being correctly spelt At least I'm not Gporter.