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West_Midlander
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 6,983
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Political Matrix
E: -2.19, S: 1.22

« on: May 03, 2017, 05:41:46 PM »

2016:
I played as Bernie Sanders. Bobby Jindal won a floor fight at the GOP Convention on the 5th ballot (Jeb Bush had the most delegates entering the convention, Jindal was like third to last but racked up almost all endorsements of eliminated candidates, rocketed into 2nd place and as Rubio (2nd in primaries, now 3rd) was eliminated, Jindal got a majority).

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT): 84,150,275 (50.5%) 322 EVs
Fmr. Gov. Bobby Jindal (R-LA): 81,028,096 (48.6%) 216 EVs
Fmr. Gov. Gary Johnson (L-NM): 1,241,718 (0.7%) 0 EVs
Dr. Jill Stein (G-MA): 371,036 (0.2%) 0 EVs


2020: An even bigger spoiler than 2000?
What if Clinton and Trump had a rematch in 2020?
Despite a popular vote and electoral plurality, Clinton is just 19 electors short. The House of Representatives chooses Pres. Donald Trump.

Fmr. Sec. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) / Fmr. Gov. Tim Kaine (D-VA): 55,403,634 (39.3%) 251 EVs
Pres. Donald Trump (R-NY) / VP Mike Pence (R-IN)Sad 54,898,681 (38.9%) 194 EVs
Ms. Winona LaDuke (G-CA) / Mr. Ajamu Baraka (G-DC): 27,745,866 (19.7%) 93 EVs
Mr. Adam Kokesh (L-CA) / Fmr. Gov. Bill Weld (L-MA): 3,005,212 (2.1%) 0 EVs


If Sanders ran as a Green in 2016:
Clinton/Kaine: 269 EVs (39.7%)
Trump/Pence: 266 EVs (39.7%)* Trump actually wins popular vote by <30K votes, House of Reps picks him as President.
Sander/Stein: 3 EVs (18.1%)
Johnson/Weld: 0 EVs (2.5%)
State Alterations from OTL: Clinton wins PA, GA, NC, MI, WI, and Trump's 1 elector in Maine; Sanders wins VT; Trump wins NY, CO

2016:
Sanders: 55.1% -- 453 EVs
Trump: 35.1% -- 79 EVs
McMullin: 0.6% -- 6 EVs
Stein: 2.4%
Changes from OTL 2016: Sanders takes MT, SD, KS, TX, AZ, MO, IA, WI, MI, IN, OH, PA, KY, NC, SC, GA, FL; Trump takes CO; McMullin takes UT
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West_Midlander
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,983
United States


Political Matrix
E: -2.19, S: 1.22

« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2017, 08:32:20 AM »


Fmr. Sec. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) / Sen. Tim Kaine (D-VA): 50.3% (83,779,832) 466 EVs
Mr. Donald Trump (R-NY) / Gov. Mike Pence (R-IN): 35.8% (59,610,064) 66 EVs
Fmr. CIA Officer Evan McMullin (I-UT) / Ms. Mindy Finn (I-TX): 11.4% (19,013,771) 6 EVs
Dr. Jill Stein (G-MA) / Mr. Ajamu Baraka (G-DC): 2.5% (4,123,344) 0 EVs

I played as McMullin. Tried to rack up endorsements and win Utah, when I had pulled ahead in Utah I started at Arkansas (was 39% underwater but there were ~20% undecided). As prospects in Arkansas began to look dismal, I sent Finn to California to try to garner a few more votes on Election Day.

Utah
McMullin: 45.3%
Clinton: 37.8%
Trump: 16.9%

Arkansas
Clinton: 42.1%
Trump: 33.9%
McMullin: 20.4%
Stein: 3.7%

Clinton, Trump and McMullin had full ballot access. Stein did not have ballot access in Georgia, North Carolina, Missouri, Indiana, Connecticut, Vermont, New Hampshire, Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska, South Dakota, Montana, Wyoming, Utah and Nevada (on the ballot in 35+DC).

Every Trump state was carried without 50+% except Oklahoma (52%). He carried Kentucky with as little as 44% of the vote.

Clinton carried most states with 44-52% with most Democratic strongholds in the mid to high 50s. Maryland and Vermont were carried with 62% of the vote and DC was carried with 85%.

McMullin was in double digits in most states (didn't campaign anywhere except UT, CA, AR). He hit as high as 16% in FL and 17% in CO.

Stein was at 2-3% in most states, almost hit 5% in MI.
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West_Midlander
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,983
United States


Political Matrix
E: -2.19, S: 1.22

« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2017, 07:26:39 PM »
« Edited: May 06, 2017, 07:30:13 PM by West_Midlander »

Mr. Donald Trump (R-NY) / Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) -- Republican Party Ticket
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) / Fmr. Gov. Martin O'Malley (D-MD) -- Progressive Party Ticket (newly formed party)
Fmr. Sec. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) / Gov. Mark Dayton (D-MN) -- Democratic Party Ticket

States Leaders before the election
Sanders States, lead size:
California 45%
Washington, D.C. 36%
Delaware 33%
Vermont 30%
Rhode Island 29%
Washington 26%
Connecticut 21%
Illinois 20%
New York 20%
New Jersey 19%
Pennsylvania 19%
Maryland 16%
West Virginia 16%
Wisconsin 14%
Maine 12%
Indiana 12%
Michigan 11%
Massachusetts 11%
Oregon 10%
Nevada 9%
Arizona 8%
Florida 8%
Minnesota 8%
Missouri 6%
Colorado 6%
North Carolina 5%
Montana 4%
South Carolina 3%
North Dakota 3%
Georgia 3%
Kentucky 2%
Hawaii 2%
Trump States, lead size:
Alabama 32%
Oklahoma 25%
Alaska 25%
Wyoming 24%
Virginia 21%
Arkansas 17%
Nebraska 16%
Texas 15%
Utah 11%
Tennessee 10%
Mississippi 9%
Idaho 8%
New Hampshire 7%
New Mexico 6%
Kansas 5%
South Dakota 4%
Ohio 2%
Clinton States, lead size:
None
Ties
Iowa
Louisiana

Projected States:


Projected vote share:
Sanders: 43.7% (actual result: 47.2%)
Trump: 34% (actual result: 34.4%)
Clinton: 18.2% (actual result 18.4%)
Undecided: 4.1%

Projected Electoral:

Sanders: 377 (actual result: 374)
Trump: 147 (actual result: 164)
Clinton: 0 (actual result: 0)

Notable Results:
New York (Clinton/Trump's homestate)
Sanders: 45.8%
Trump: 27.3%
Clinton: 26.9%
Vermont (Bernie's homestate)
Sanders: 60%
Trump: 22.6%
Clinton: 17.4%
South Carolina (Graham's homestate / differed between actual and projected result)
Trump-Graham: 39.1%
Sanders-O'Malley: 38.9%
Clinton-Dayton: 21.9%
Maryland (O'Malley's homestate)
Sanders: 47.5%
Trump: 31.1%
Clinton: 21.3%
Minnesota (Dayton's homestate)
Sanders: 41%
Trump: 36.2%
Clinton: 22.8%
Iowa (tossup before Election Day)
Sanders: 40.4%
Trump: 35.1%
Clinton: 24.4%
Louisiana (tossup before Election Day)
Trump: 42.7%
Sanders: 40.5%
Clinton: 16.7%

Clinton came in second place in Nevada and DC and came in third everywhere else.
DC: Sanders won (67.7-28.4-3.9)
NV: Sanders won (40.6-30.1-29.2)

Before Election Day, Clinton's closest state (to winning) was Hawaii. She was in third place in a close race (was 6% behind the leader). She ended up in third place, 10.8% behind Sanders (1st place) in Hawaii.


Dark Red/Blue = Projection was accurate, Medium Blue/Red = Result of states too close to call, Light Red = State that voted differently from projection
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West_Midlander
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 6,983
United States


Political Matrix
E: -2.19, S: 1.22

« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2017, 07:33:10 PM »
« Edited: August 22, 2017, 07:40:42 PM by Delegate West_Midlander »

2004
President Bush faces a tough primary challenge after the beginning of the Iraq War. His main primary opponent, Colin Powell, nearly defeated him in a close race for the nomination. Senator John McCain was a close third and others ran as well. Bush passed up McCain or Powell to be his running mate and chose the unpopular sitting Vice President, Dick Cheney once again.
General Wesley Clark emerged onto the field as a distant second behind Howard Dean after a qualified but uncharismatic John Kerry announced he would not run. Many others entered the field. Hillary Clinton formed an exploratory committee but decided to back Carol Moseley Braun's candidacy instead. Braun would eventually place third. Wesley narrowly defeated Dean in Iowa and came within points in New Hampshire. He won Nevada solidly along with South Carolina. This created momentum, leading to Dean withdrawing after the first Super Tuesday.
Clark debates Bush and emerges as a narrow victor. In the VP's debate, McCain smokes Cheney. Clark seems to massively defeat Bush in the second debate. Bush's attack on Clark backfires and he is the clear loser in the third debate.
Al Gore's Revenge
[X] General Wesley Clark (D-IL) / Senator John McCain (R-AZ) 48.7% PV 319 EVs
President George Bush (R-TX) / Vice President Dick Cheney (R-WY) 49.4% PV 219 EVs
Mr. Ralph Nader (I-CT) / Mr. Matt Gonzalez (I-CA) 1.9% PV

Both houses of Congress stay Republican. Colorado surprisingly goes 61.4% Republican. McCain's home state is narrowly lost by Clark (51-47). California was a surprisingly competitive state, tipping back and forth through the night. It was the deciding state. The vote shares in California were 48.4-46.7 (D+1.7). Delaware surprisingly goes Republican 53-45. Idaho is won by Clark (49.8-48.7). He wins the state by <8000 votes. The Republicans win Montana by 1.5% (less than 7000 votes).
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West_Midlander
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,983
United States


Political Matrix
E: -2.19, S: 1.22

« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2017, 06:56:06 AM »
« Edited: August 23, 2017, 06:57:54 AM by Delegate West_Midlander »

Don't have a map, I didn't think to save one at the time.

I ran the 1912 scenario mostly hands-off as the weakest Republican, turned off Progressive and Democratic and gave Socialist a bunch of momentum. It was a Socialist landslide but the interesting part was Debs (Soc) won unanimously in many states winning thousands, tens of thousands and on occasion over 100K votes to 0 Republicans. In some states Debs got similar figures while Republicans got 1, 3, 6, 7, 10, etc. votes. Only a handful of states were in the 50s (% for Soc or Rep). Most others were landslides in the upper 70s or 80s for Debs. Strangely in North Carolina 1 Socialist voted, 0 Republicans. (Yes, one vote for all 12 electors, the whole state). South Carolina was the inverse with 1 Republican and 0 Socialists.
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West_Midlander
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,983
United States


Political Matrix
E: -2.19, S: 1.22

« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2017, 06:48:17 PM »

I ran the 2012 playing Romney and Obama. Romney and Obama both become presumptive nominees. Obama selects Biden as his running mate. Then Obama accepts an offer from Romney to become his running mate. Then I tried to tank Romney's campaign to get Johnson's % up. I've seen one major party nominee become the other's running mate and they are taken off the ballot but I think since I picked a running mate as Obama, the ticket didn't get wiped out. I imagine Biden campaigning alone after Obama fled the party.

Louisiana was 49.8-48.4-1.8 (Romney-Johnson-Obama). Missouri was 37.2-34.2-28.6 (Obama-Johnson-Romney).
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West_Midlander
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 6,983
United States


Political Matrix
E: -2.19, S: 1.22

« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2017, 12:32:32 PM »

✓ Sen. Bernie Sanders (D-VT) / Fmr. Gov. Brian Schweitzer (D-MT) 343 EVs 34.9%
Gov. John Kasich (R-OH) / Gov. Susana Martinez (R-NM) 145 EVs 32.9%
Mr. Donald Trump (I-NY) / Fmr. Spkr. Newt Gingrich (R-GA) 50 EVs 22%
Mr. Austin Petersen (L-MO) / Fmr. Gov. Bill Weld (L-MA) 0 EVs 7.7%


Arkansas won by 1.5%
Indiana is won by 387 votes (won by .008%)
Montana is won by 0.2% (1,970 votes)
Utah is won by 0.4% (7,299 votes)
Libertarians exceeded 5%, and as a result will receive full ballot access in 2020 and federal fund matching.
Donald Trump exceeds Ross Perot's stunning independent performance in 1992, in percentage and by winning EVs (not to mention more than one state; 6 in fact)
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West_Midlander
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,983
United States


Political Matrix
E: -2.19, S: 1.22

« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2017, 11:30:32 PM »
« Edited: August 26, 2017, 11:36:14 PM by Delegate West_Midlander »

Michelle Obama won in a contested convention against frontrunner Michael Bloomberg. Evan Bayh stood in second place, ahead of Obama, until the late May and June primaries. The huge Democratic field narrowed to Bloomberg-Bayh-Obama by April.
Asa Hutchinson was the dark horse for the Republican nomination. He overtook longtime frontrunner Mitt Romney in early May. In order to unify the base after a very divisive, long and crowded primary,
 Hutchinson chose Romney as his running mate.
Bernie Sanders decided not to contest the Democratic nomination. He instead ran for the Greens,
 who, beginning with Jill Stein, cleared the field for him.
Rand Paul, the frontrunner, was put over the top with Weld's delegates at the convention.
✓ Mrs. Michelle Obama (D-IL) / Fmr. Sen. Jim Webb (D-VA) 308 EVs 44.9%
Gov. Asa Hutchinson (R-AR) / Fmr. Gov. Mitt Romney (R-MA) 227 EVs 38.4%
Sen. Bernie Sanders (G-VT) / Ms. Winona LaDuke (G-CA) 3 EVs 9.5%
Sen. Rand Paul (L-KY) / Fmr. Gov. Bill Weld (L-MA) 0 EVs 7.1%


The closest state was South Carolina, it was R +0.9
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West_Midlander
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,983
United States


Political Matrix
E: -2.19, S: 1.22

« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2017, 09:00:27 AM »


Gov Chris Christe (R-NJ)/ Gov Susana Martinez (R-NM) 366 evs
SOS Hillary Clinton (D-NY) / Senator Tim Kaine (D-VA) 172 evs

probably no bridgegate ittl
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