President Forever results thread...

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Here's my Democratic primary map.

Candidates: Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Hillary Clinton, Jim Webb, Joe Biden, Martin O'Malley

Only candidate who dropped out the entire campaign was Biden, he also endorsed Clinton and gave her all of his delegates

It will be heading to the convention, Mississippi is white because there was less than a 1% margin of victory, Sanders won it with 21.5% and O'Malley got 20.8% to Warren's 19.8% and the delegates were split 14-14-13

Biggest Margin of Victory was Tennessee where Clinton won 87% of the vote to Sanders' 11%

Final Delegate total:

Sanders 2,278
Clinton 1,212
O'Malley 555
Warren 468
Webb 184

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Clinton won the electoral college vote even though TRUMP beat her by 4.8 million popular votes.

Closest States:

Ohio: Clinton 48.2% Trump 47.2% Johnson 2.9% Stein 1.7%
Oregon: Trump 46.7% Clinton 42.1% Stein 7.3% Johnson 3.9%
Maine: Clinton 47.4% Trump 43.5% Stein 4.8% Johnson 4.3%
Nevada: Clinton 48.2% Trump 47% Johnson 3.5% Stein 1.4%
New Mexico: Clinton 46.6% Trump 39.7% Johnson 12.1% Stein 1.6%
Vermont: Clinton 43.6% Stein 32.3% Trump 19% Johnson 5.2%

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I have a question, for anyone with President Infinity, have you ever had almost all of your candidates remain in the race until the convention? I don't have them set to stay in until the convention, but most of the time they do.

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This just happened.

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2016 scenario

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton (D-NY)/Virginia Senator Tim Kaine (D-VA) 45.7% and 298 electoral votes
Businessman Donald Trump (R-NY)/Governor Mike Pence (R-IN) 42.5% and 240 electoral votes
Governor Gary Johnson (L-NM)/Governor William Weld (L-MA) 7.2% and 0 electoral votes
Doctor Jill Stein (G-MA)/Bill Kreml (G-SC) 3.9% and 0 electoral votes

Third party best performances:
Vermont: TRUMP 36.5% STEIN 28.7% CLINTON 28.4% JOHNSON 6.4%
Maine: TRUMP 39.9% CLINTON 37.3% JOHNSON 15.7% STEIN 7.1%

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Clinton's basically impossible to beat in the primary for 2016, isn't she?

She is, but you have to sweep the Feb primary states and really focus on the ST states and build up momentum against her in later states.

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So, I just got the new sneak peek version of PI where you actually fight a contested convention and can play as the winning candidate and got this:



I played as CRUZ in the primaries and finished first in terms of pledged delegates while BUSH won the popular vote.

By the time of the convention, BUSH AND CRUZ were the final two candidates with TRUMP dropping out 2 days before the RNC.

None of the candidates released their delegates so the first ballot was:
CRUZ 799
BUSH 580
TRUMP 393
FIORINA 151
RUBIO 139
PATAKI 138
CARSON 82
HUCKABEE 56
SANTORUM 45
KASICH 41
GILMORE 27
PAUL 7
CHRISTIE 6
GRAHAM 5
JINDAL 2

Through several ballots, the final three candidates were:

FIORINA 1,028
CRUZ 846
BUSH 597

Bush was eliminated and all his delegates went to CARLY F'ING FIORINA

Final results:
☑FIORINA 1,625 (65.7%)
CRUZ 846 (34.3%)

And in the end, Fiorina didn't choose me as a unity candidate (FIORINA/CRUZ would have been hilarious)

SHE CHOSE JON HUNTSMAN LMAO

The Democratic convention results ended up being:
☑CLINTON 2,489
BIDEN 1,297
LESSIG!!! 444
SANDERS 331
CHAFEE 115
O'MALLEY 66
WEBB 0

The final tickets ended up being:

(R) Fiorina/Huntsman
(D) Clinton/Brown
(L) Johnson/McAfee
(G) Stein/Kreml

Republican and Democratic officials endorsed Clinton/Brown after the DNC commenced and polling after the DNC had

CLINTON 42%
FIORINA 40%
JOHNSON 7%
STEIN 4%
UNDECIDED 8%

The electoral map was:
CLINTON 278
FIORINA 223
UNDECIDED 37

Clinton refused to debate me during the first debate and thus the debate was cancelled.

After Clinton refused to participate in the first debate and a barrage of anti-Clinton integrity ads were released against her, polling shifted sharply in favor of Fiorina:

September 5th:
FIORINA 45% +5
CLINTON 40% -2%
JOHNSON 8% +1
STEIN 4% nc
UNDECIDED 3% -5%

Electoral college:
FIORINA 264
CLINTON 230
UNDECIDED 44

During the 2nd debate, Clinton utterly trounced Fiorina in the debate and with nationwide ads running touting her experience with foreign policy and families, Clinton achieved the big mo while Fiorina experienced negative momentum from the debate and polling reflected that:

October 10th:
CLINTON 44%
FIORINA 41%
JOHNSON 7%
STEIN 4%
UNDECIDED 5%

ELECTORAL COLLEGE:
CLINTON 273
FIORINA 223
UNDECIDED 42

On the final day of campaigning, Fiorina had the big mo with Clinton being deep in negative momentum territory in Pennsylvania



Moral of the story, never let the candidate who only got 3% of the primary vote be your nominee.

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Played a scenario where Trump was defeated at the RNC and ran as a third party candidate, Cruz won the GOP nomination instead.

CRUZ/FIORINA - 36.3% - 72,657,915 - 227 electoral votes
CLINTON/KAINE 29.8% - 59,615,415 - 235 electoral votes
TRUMP/GINGRICH 25.1% - 50,264,431 - 76 electoral votes
JOHNSON/WELD 5.8% - 11,643,412
STEIN/BARAKA - 3.0% - 6,039,519

Closest states:
WASHINGTON:
CRUZ 1,444,475 - 36.7%
CLINTON 1,430,900 - 36.4%
CRUZ + 13,575 - 0.3% OVER CLINTON

VIRGINIA:
CLINTON 1,869,890 - 37.5%
CRUZ 1,831,837 - 36.8%
CLINTON + 38,053 - 0.7% OVER CRUZ

KENTUCKY:
CRUZ 1,169,579 - 36.7%
TRUMP 1,091,635 - 34.3%
CRUZ + 77,944 - 2.4% OVER TRUMP

NEW MEXICO:
CLINTON 348,459 - 29.4%
JOHNSON 336,988 - 28.4%
CRUZ 330,610 - 27.9%
CLINTON + 11,471 - 1.0% OVER JOHNSON

GEORGIA:
TRUMP 2,165,951 - 31.3%
CLINTON 1,874,155 - 27.1%
CRUZ 1,775,512 - 25.6%
TRUMP + 291,796 - 4.2% OVER CLINTON  

CALIFORNIA:
CLINTON 7,264,270 - 33.5%
CRUZ 7,130,770 - 32.9%
CLINTON + 133,500 - 0.6% OVER CRUZ

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When I play as Sanders, usually I invest some CP into Command and Strategy while I focus heavily on Iowa and New Hampshire, once I win those, I use the momentum to campaign in the ST states and usually work to win O'Malley, Webb and Chafee's endorsements

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When I play as Sanders, usually I invest some CP into Command and Strategy while I focus heavily on Iowa and New Hampshire, once I win those, I use the momentum to campaign in the ST states and usually work to win O'Malley, Webb and Chafee's endorsements

How can I invest into command and strategy?

Click on the button that has the figure of a human on it, it should pull up another screen, there is a button in the top right that has an i with a circle around it, click that then it will show your campaign attributes and you can allocate up to 3 CP's  into an attribute

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MARCO RUBIO/CHRIS CHRISTIE 45.3% - 72,939,846 - 279
BERNIE SANDERS/ANDREW CUOMO 44.1% - 71,016,728 - 259
GARY JOHNSON/BILL WELD 6.8% - 10,868,707
JILL STEIN/AJAMU BARAKA 2.6% - 4,143,976
DARRELL CASTLE/SCOTT BRADLEY 1.3% - 2,045,684

Closest states:

MINNESOTA:

RUBIO 32.5% - 923,570
STEIN 31.9% - 907,450
JOHNSON 23.2% - 660,683
SANDERS 12.4% - 353,430

VIRGINIA:

SANDERS - 48.2% - 2,023,996
RUBIO 47.3% - 1,986,514
JOHNSON 3.6% - 150,253
STEIN 1% - 41,940

OHIO:

SANDERS 47.4% - 2,952,028
RUBIO 46.1% - 2,867,477
JOHNSON 5.6% - 351,269
STEIN 0.8% - 50,979

NEW MEXICO:

RUBIO 31.9% - 339,685
JOHNSON 25.4% - 270,598
STEIN 22.2% - 236,354
CASTLE 12.4% - 131,709
SANDERS 8.1% - 85,980

Sanders obliterated Hillary Clinton in the primaries winning 65% of the vote and 2,985 delegates while Cruz, Rubio and Trump fought all the way to the convention, other candidates had a combined total of 550 delegates that threw the majority of their support behind Rubio who was 2nd overall in delegates, Trump threw his delegates behind Rubio allowing Rubio to become the GOP nominee (I was Cruz and finished just 92 delegates short) and then Rubio picked former rival Christie as his VP.

Sanders was leading throughout most of the late summer/early fall periods with average polling around 47-50% of the vote and 300+ electoral votes, but after a BLM scandal, ISIS attack and endless amounts of negative ads thrown his way, Sanders dropped to an average of 43-45% of the vote and allowed me (Rubio) to take the lead.

Jill Stein spent most of the campaign in Minnesota and threw ad after ad attacking Sanders

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National results:

TRUMP/CRUZ - 45.5% - 75,430,204 votes - 315 E.V
CLINTON/BIDEN - 38.7% - 64,217,111 votes  - 223
JOHNSON/PERRY (LOL) - 5.9% - 9,851,938 votes
BLOOMBERG/SCOTT - 3.5% - 5,736,538 votes
STEIN/BARAKA - 2.7% - 4,451,655 votes
GRAYSON/DUBOIS - 2.2% - 3,701,629 votes
CASTLE/BRADLEY - 1.4% - 2,399,275 votes

States decided by <5%:

Florida - CLINTON + 4.1%
Pennsylvania - TRUMP + 3.6%
Indiana - TRUMP + 1.1%
North Carolina - TRUMP + 2.3%
Virginia - TRUMP + 4.4%
Washington - TRUMP + 3.6%
California - CLINTON + 3.8%
Wisconsin - CLINTON + 1.7%
New York - CLINTON + 0.1%
Delaware - TRUMP + 4.5%
New Jersey - CLINTON + 1.1%
South Carolina - CLINTON + 3.0%
Vermont - TRUMP + 3.4%
South Dakota - TRUMP + 0.8%

Played as TRUMP

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HILLARY CLINTON - 38.9% - 56,490,463
JOHN KASICH - 35% - 50,829,006
RAND PAUL - 13.1% - 18,949,054
AL GORE - 12.4% - 18,035,416
SCOTT COPELAND - 0.5% - 719,356
GREG ANDERSON - 0% - 54,250

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Closest area was NE-2:
CLINTON - 137,250 - 45.5%
CRUZ - 136,925 - 45.4%
JOHNSON - 27,313 - 9.1%

Then ME-1:
CRUZ - 257,757 - 31.6%
CLINTON - 211,987 - 26%
STEIN - 177,207 - 21.7%
JOHNSON - 168,026 - 20.6%

^^^ numbers need to be corrected for ME-1

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This game is just nuts now. Take these two Cruz vs. Clinton elections: On one map you have Cruz winning the PV and picking up NJ, ME-01, and IL while Clinton wins the EV gaining OH, NC, and AZ. On another map Cruz loses KS and NE, including NE-03, but wins OREGON.

I own a copy of this game but I no longer feel like I should bother playing it.

I was playing as Cruz here and was focusing on some unusual states, but I do agree it does need to be tweaked,

Anthony is actually adding a bunch of new stuff eventually that will correct this..such as favorability, voting blocks, etc.,

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This game is just nuts now. Take these two Cruz vs. Clinton elections: On one map you have Cruz winning the PV and picking up NJ, ME-01, and IL while Clinton wins the EV gaining OH, NC, and AZ. On another map Cruz loses KS and NE, including NE-03, but wins OREGON.

I own a copy of this game but I no longer feel like I should bother playing it.

I was playing as Cruz here and was focusing on some unusual states, but I do agree it does need to be tweaked,

Anthony is actually adding a bunch of new stuff eventually that will correct this..such as favorability, voting blocks, etc.,

Have we got any info on how he is progressing with these at the moment?

He posted this on his blog as a comment:

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Does anyone else try to mimic a candidate's RL strategy? For instance: as Trump in 2016 don't put many ground game operations or ads in place but make a lot of speeches, as Kasich put everything into NH, as Giuliani in 2008 ignore every state prior to Florida etc.

I did that with Bernie Sanders in a 2016 custom scenario I made.

I can't wait for Anthony to add in the voting blocs and favorability and make the game more realistic.

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CLINTON LANDSLIDE



Closest state FLORIDA

 


Biggest Clinton state:

Oregon:

Hillary Clinton - 84.8% - 1,810,279
Donald Trump - 15.2% - 324,464

Clinton MoV - 69.6%

Biggest Trump state:

Texas:

Donald Trump - 62.8% - 7,754,566
Hillary Clinton - 37.2% - 4,600,540

Trump MoV - 25.6%

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CLINTON LANDSLIDE



Closest state FLORIDA

 


Biggest Clinton state:

Oregon:

Hillary Clinton - 84.8% - 1,810,279
Donald Trump - 15.2% - 324,464

Clinton MoV - 69.6%

Biggest Trump state:

Texas:

Donald Trump - 62.8% - 7,754,566
Hillary Clinton - 37.2% - 4,600,540

Trump MoV - 25.6%

This map makes NO sense, but still interesting.

I basically ignored Florida and Ohio (I only campaigned there the last 3 days of the campaign) I lost them by 1.3% on average, Trump had a 46.4% to 45.3% national lead over me with 278 E.V's going into the final week of the campaign, I basically ad nuked the country with MULTIPLE anti-Trump ads and 2 pro-Clinton ads he had a negative momentum of -13.5 and I had a positive momentum of 8.3 going into election day.

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New feature being added to PI in the coming weeks

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Does anyone know how to crack demo or where Can I get the full version 2016 or also older version?

PM please.

I saw your posts on AH.com. Just buy the game like everyone else already.

Yeah, it's super cheap.

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Has anyone ran a Presidential scenario with the POP vote feature?

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George Bush / Dick Cheney - 66.807,255 - 41.8% -  286 electoral votes
Al Gore / Joe Lieberman - 91,692,607 - 57.4% - 252 electoral votes
Ralph Nader / Winona Laduke - 1,123,574 - 0.7%
Pat Buchanan / Forgot - 27,735 - 0%


errrrm wut

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I haven't played around with the new version yet (have a PC but mostly use my mac laptop), but it seems the favorability update to PI is producing wonky results. Seems to be a much more robust engine though.

I have a much older version, this is like 9 months old