President Forever results thread...

[Colin]

I played as both Bush and Kerry trying to mimick the actual campaign...Kerry did a flip-flop on free trade to move in a populist direction. His ad production got delayed and the debate was drawn...Bush got a lot of momentum and Kerry never recovered. In the end the PV remained pretty close, Bush winning by close to 4 points, but carrying almost all the close states and getting 400 EVs.

Wish that would have happened in really life.

[Colin]

Intresting Result.

George W. Bush vs. John Kerry vs. myself vs. Michael Badnarik with regionalism and dynamism turned off.

Kerry was it with a wave of big scandels, power 5-9, and I did well in debates against Bush, for some reason it had me, a third party candidate debating the President. I changed the how established party to 5 though.



Bush- 36% PV- 348 EVs
Kerry- 32% PV- 161 EVs
Wixted- 29% PV- 29 EVs
Badnarik- 1% PV- 0 EVs

[Colin]

I played this were every party was on an equal playing field. Each had a 5 in established and each had $100,000,000 in funds to begin with.

The match up was Bush vs. Kerry vs. Myself vs. Badnarik. Same as above in the settings. Huge scandel against Bush in the last week led to a huge rise in both my and Badnarik's vote. A small Kerry scandel in the last two weeks also hurt him.




Bush- 30% PV- 171 EVs
Kerry- 33% PV- 155 EVs
Wixted- 29% PV- 212 EVs
Badnarik- 6% PV- 0 EVs

Best States:

Bush: Idaho- 55.3%
Kerry- New York- 43.8%
Wixted- Vermont- 40.3%
Badnarik- Nevada- 18.5%

Worst State:

Bush: Rhode Island- 21.9%
Kerry: Idaho- 20.1%
Wixted: Nevada- 16.8%
Badnarik: Maryland- 0.0% (389)

 

[Colin]

Playing as Dukakis, lost 317-221. PV 49-47 Bush. Actually very close to winning, if IL, OH, and MD switch.



I'm getting doubts about PF being realistic.

The most unrealistic scenarios, in my mind, are the downloaded ones. Personally it seems that the scenarios that came with the game always give semi-accurate results while the scenarios made by random people are usually much further off. Could be because they over-estimated one candidate, or just didn't adjust everything to co-ordinate with the new scenario, or they just don't know much about election history.

[Colin]

Gotta Love Dynamism: Bush/Cheney vs. Kerry/Edwards vs. Wixted/McCain



Bush- 31% PV- 131 EVs
Kerry- 32% PV- 87 EVs
Wixted- 35% PV- 320 EVs

Best State:

Bush: Idaho 57.2%
Kerry: Oklahoma 52.4%
Wixted: Delaware 48.0%

Worst State (Not Including DC):

Bush: Maryland 21.8%
Kerry: Alaska 17.0%
Wixted: Virginia 14.8%

Closest States:

New Mexico (37.3% Bush-25.1% Kerry-37.4% Wixted) Wixted Win By 1,268 Votes
Connecticut (22.3% Bush-38.9 Kerry-38.7% Wixted) Kerry Win By 3,323 Votes
Georgia (37.7% Bush-24.0% Kerry-38.1% Wixted) Wixted Win By 13,376 Votes

[Colin]

Verin how did you make those great maps? Is their a program that you use or is it just paint?

[Colin]

Party by Party Results for my last race.







I did worst in the Interior West, parts of the South, parts of the Mid-Atlantic, and parts of the Midwest. The Republican did worst in the Pacific West, Upper Midwest, Upper South, Florida and the Northeast. The Democrat worst areas were the West, the South and the Upper Northeast.

[Colin]

Back with myself as an Independent.



Bush- 163 EVs 37% PV
Kerry- 190 EVs 34% PV
Wixted- 185 EVs 27% PV

Best States (excluding DC):

Bush: Idaho 63.5%
Kerry: Illinois 51.8%
Wixted: Vermont 47.5%

Worst State (excluding DC):

Bush: Oregon 23.7%
Kerry: Utah 18.6%
Wixted: Texas 15.5%

[Colin]

Played as Perot in 1992 and won!!



Bush- 137 EVs 34% PV
Clinton- 130 EVs 31% PV
Perot- 271 EVs 33% PV

Best State (excluding DC):

Bush: Wyoming 58.7%
Clinton: Arkansas 60.3%
Perot: Texas 49.5%

Worst State (excluding DC):

Bush: Iowa and Rhode Island 13.1%
Clinton: Arizona 12.4%
Perot: Tennessee 9.1%

[Colin]

Bush/Cheney vs. Kerry/Lieberman vs. Wixted/McCain



Bush: 37% PV 229 EVs
Kerry: 31% PV 92 EVs
Wixted: 30% 217 EVs

Best State (excluding DC):

Bush: Montana 60.3%
Kerry: Michigan 57.2%
Wixted: Kansas 50.1%

Worst State (excluding DC):

Bush: Rhode Island 19.0%
Kerry: Idaho 17.8%
Wixted: Tennessee 16.1%

DC Results:

Bush: 14.6%
Kerry: 58%
Wixted: 27.3%

Closest State:

Vermont: 1051 votes seperating Wixted and Kerry. 24.8-37.7-37.3

[Colin]

Colin Wixted (stats taken from Jake's contest)/Bob Ehrlick vs. Kerry/Edwards



Wixted: 317 EVs 51% PV
Kerry: 221 EVs 48% PV

Best State (excluding DC)":

Wixted: Idaho 69.7%
Kerry: Washington 60.3%

[Colin]

South Carolina

Debs, Wilson, and Roosevelt split the vote!

Spliting 99.9% to win SC for the GOP is quite a feat!

Alvarez (myself) v. Bush and Kerry:



Electoral College
Alvarez - 529
Bush - 9
Kerry - 0

Popular Vote
Alvarez - 59% (69,867,538)
Bush - 27% (32,579,883)
Kerry - 11% (13,518,283)
Badnarik - 1% (2,045,455)

Best States
Alvarez: Wisconsin - 86.5% (1,951,558)
Bush: Alabama - 52.9% (991,099) They completely ignored the rest of the country!
Kerry: Illinios - 27.5% (2,097,756)
Badnarik: Maine - 9.7% (52,810) Record % for a Libertarian?

Worst States
Alvarez: Alabama - 21.8% (408,599)
Bush (excluding D.C.): Vermont - 11.1% (28,601)
Kerry: North Dakota - 0.0% (20) If you look at just blue states, then Vermont is Kerry's worst with just 60 votes!
Badnarik: North Dakota - 0.0% (14)

BTW, I am going to post my re-election result when I ran for the D and R endorsements, got the R, and faced a general campaign against Barbara Boxer (D) and Ed Thompson (L).

King what scenario did you use and what was your strategy? I have been playing as an independent for a long time and I can never seem to crack 35% of the vote. What scenario did you use and how did you win so big? Even with dynasmism on I can never seem to get over 40%.

[Colin]

Best result ever as an independent: Bush vs. Kerry vs. Wixted vs. Nolan



Bush: 26% PV 119 EVs
Kerry: 24% PV 21 EVs
Wixted: 32% 356 EVs
Nolan: 16% PV 42 EVs

Best State:

Bush: Utah 44.9%
Kerry: New Mexico 49.5%
Wixted: Oregon 46.2%
Nolan: Marland 35.6%

Worst State:

Bush: New York 18.1%
Kerry: Alaska 15.6%
Wixted: New Mexico 13.7%
Nolan: Oregon and Kentucky 8.0%

DC Results:

Bush: 9.2%
Kerry: 47.1%
Wixted: 30.6%
Nolan: 12.9%

Tennessee Results (Craziest State):

Bush: 29.3%
Kerry: 22.2%
Wixted: 19.3%
Nolan: 29.0%

More maps soon.

[Colin]

Party by party results for the election above:

[Colin]

Cool Erc. What is this for? Who's Talbott? What scenario is this?

[Colin]

One of the oddest historical maps ever. Played as Byrd in the scenario A New Frontier - 1960. Nixon vs. Kennedy vs. Byrd vs. Decker.



Nixon: 47% PV 268 EVs
Kennedy: 40% PV 220 EVs
Byrd: 9% PV 49 EVs
Decker: 2% 0 EVs

Best State:

Nixon: Nevada 76.2% PV
Kennedy: Georgia 69.0% PV
Byrd: Mississippi 89.0%
Decker: North Carolina 12.8% PV

Worst State:

Nixon: Mississippi 4.9% PV
Kennedy: Mississippi 2.9% PV
Byrd: West Virginia 0.0% PV (376)
Decker: Montana 0.0% (0)

PBrunsel would be proud. The Prohibition Party got over 10% in about five states and came in third in Mississippi and possibly others as well. 

[Colin]

Clinton vs. Me vs. Bush again.

In order of votes, percentages are same:

Bush: 32%
Me: 32%
Clinton: 32%
Marrou: 1%

Can you put up EV totals as well? Possibly best states/worst states, close states that kinda thing as well?

[Colin]

I just save the three-party file to disk and then manually color in the fourth party's states in an image editing program.

I think I´m just too lazy for that one.

Just copy this map into paint and just paint in the states as per the results.

[Colin]

What is your strategy Old Europe? Is it that same old run tons of ads on the last couple of days strategy or is their something more to it?

[Colin]

1968 as Wallace:

Nixon/Lodge vs. Humphrey/Muskie vs. Wallace/Le May vs. Decker



Nixon: 40% 209 EVs
Humphrey: 45% 243 EVs
Wallace: 13% 87 EVs
Decker: 1% 0 EVs

Best State:

Nixon: Wyoming 76.5%
Humphrey: California 79.7%
Wallace: Alabama 60.2%

Worst State:

Nixon: Alabama 10.5%
Humphrey: Georgia 7.7%
Wallace: New Mexico 0.0% (47)

[Colin]

Hey I have a Idea. Someone can run like 4 people form here and see what happens.  Like 1 dem 1 rep 1 populist and 1 lib...

I'll try that when I get a chance.

Conservative: PBrunsel/Keystone Phil
Libertarian: John Dibble/Alcon
Liberal: Ilikeverin/Akno
Populist: Al/Cosmo Kramer

How do you change party establishment?

I ran this election, and it didn't work how it was supposed to. Despite having almost twice as much money as the major parties, Al and Dibble got a combined 10%.

PB won 368-170 (I was playing as Verin, I usually get somewhere between 250 and 300 EV's, so it's fair), but Al was basically a huge thorn in ILV's side, costing him a lot of states. It was 47-40-8-2 in the PV.

You go into the President Forever Scenario folder and then open the folder of the scenario you want. You will see a folder labeled parties, open that up. You will see a set of text files with the names, Republican, Democratic, Independent, and Libertarian, on them. Open up the Independent folder first. Scroll down until you see party establishment. Change this number to a 5. Do the same in the Libertarian text file. You can run it like that and see how well they do but to make things more even I would go into the Republican and Democratic text files and make their party establishment rating either 3 or 4. If you don't want to do this, it only takes about 10 minutes, I can send you a modified 2004 scenario that would work with 4 parties.

[Colin]

Hey I have a Idea. Someone can run like 4 people form here and see what happens.  Like 1 dem 1 rep 1 populist and 1 lib...

I'll try that when I get a chance.

Conservative: PBrunsel/Keystone Phil
Libertarian: John Dibble/Alcon
Liberal: Ilikeverin/Akno
Populist: Al/Cosmo Kramer

How do you change party establishment?

I ran this election, and it didn't work how it was supposed to. Despite having almost twice as much money as the major parties, Al and Dibble got a combined 10%.

PB won 368-170 (I was playing as Verin, I usually get somewhere between 250 and 300 EV's, so it's fair), but Al was basically a huge thorn in ILV's side, costing him a lot of states. It was 47-40-8-2 in the PV.

You go into the President Forever Scenario folder and then open the folder of the scenario you want. You will see a folder labeled parties, open that up. You will see a set of text files with the names, Republican, Democratic, Independent, and Libertarian, on them. Open up the Independent folder first. Scroll down until you see party establishment. Change this number to a 5. Do the same in the Libertarian text file. You can run it like that and see how well they do but to make things more even I would go into the Republican and Democratic text files and make their party establishment rating either 3 or 4. If you don't want to do this, it only takes about 10 minutes, I can send you a modified 2004 scenario that would work with 4 parties.

Assuming, of course, that lowering their establishment rating doesn't make them perform better

Usually putting them at 3 or 4 makes them do worse. It's only on 1 or 2 that they perform better.

[Colin]

Thanks, Colin

I'll redo the election now, hopefully we'll get some better results.

No problem. If that doesn't work I would suggest raising the money of the third party candidates while lowering that of the two major parties. If that still doesn't make it all that much closer, and more competitive, then you will need to probably change the starting totals and the party recognition numbers.

[Colin]

John Kerry (D-MA) vs. George W. Bush (R-TX) vs. Cosmo Kramer (Independent Populist-AR)

Just wanted to see how well Kramer's populism could hold out in an Independent campaign. Regionalism and Dynasmism were on.



Bush: 32% PV 101 EVs
Kerry: 39% PV 308 EVs
Kramer: 27% 129 EVs

Best State:

Bush: Idaho 55.7%
Kerry: Rhode Island 67.3% (DC Kerry 60.8%)
Kramer: Alaska 48.9% followed by Utah 47.9%

Worst States:

Bush: Rhode Island 21.9%
Kerry: Utah 16.5%
Kramer: Rhode Island and Connecticut 10.7%

Kramer did best in the South and the West and mostly took away from Religious Bush voters instead of Southern Democrats. Georgia was the only state of the old Confederacy were Kramer got below 20% of the vote and except for North Carolina he won more than 25% in every Southern state. Kramer also did well in the Northeast garnering over 25% in 5 Northeastern states and came in second, to Kerry, in 4. I'll post party by party maps soon.

[Colin]

1912: Taft vs. Wilson vs. Roosevelt vs. Debs



Taft: 25% 71 EVs
Wilson: 20% 48 EVs
Roosevelt: 36% 412 EVs
Debs: 17% O EVs

Best State:

Taft: Utah 55.8%
Wilson: Alabama 40.8%
Roosevelt: Minnesota 53.5%
Debs: Ohio 33.2%

Worst States:

Taft: Texas 10.1%
Wilson: South Dakota 8.9%
Roosevelt: Oklahoma 10.7%
Debs: Arkansas 0.0% (15)

More to come.