President Forever results thread...

[ilikeverin]

Lots of people talked about the only way for a 3rd party person to win/get any states was for them to be like Perot and have lots of money.  This is true!

Before election map:


Overall map:


As you can see, Kerry almost won, but, of course, it went to the House where Bush won

% maps:








(Whoops, that's Libertarian % not Democratic %)

(Yes, I did run ads in all states at the end)

(IIRC Colorado was the closest state w/~32-31-32-2 (D-R-I-L) or some such)

[Jake]

Roy Moore v. John Edwards 2008
w/Moore as an actual third party canidate.

Heartbreakers in AR, LA, MS, GA, MT, OK, & SC
all lost by 2% or less

[These knuckles break before they bleed]

here's an interesting 1968.

the good news: I won
the bad news: I lost Minnesota

that's right, I lost Minnesota as HUMPHREY. Talk about a hollow victory.

More weirdness: look at Alaska and Hawaii. And Utah



Nixon 41, Humphrey 45, Wallace 12

[King]

Why would Minnesota vote against its own god (Humphrey)? I mean they have enough malls and universities named after him there that he doesn't even need to campaign...

[Jake]

https://uselectionatlas.org/USPRESIDENT/genusmap.php?year=1968&ev_p=0&AL=3;10;5&AK=3;3;5&AZ=1;5;5&AR=1;6;5&CA=1;40;5&CO=1;6;5&CT=1;8;5&DE=1;3;5&DC=1;3;5&FL=1;14;5&GA=1;12;5&HI=1;4;5&ID=3;4;5&IL=1;26;5&IN=1;13;5&IA=1;9;5&KS=3;7;5&KY=1;9;5&LA=1;10;5&ME=1;4;5&MD=1;10;5&MA=1;14;5&MI=1;21;5&MN=1;10;5&MS=1;7;5&MO=1;12;5&MT=1;4;5&NE=3;5;5&NV=1;3;5&NH=1;4;5&NJ=1;17;5&NM=1;4;5&NY=1;43;5&NC=1;13;5&ND=3;4;5&OH=1;26;5&OK=1;8;5&OR=1;6;5&PA=1;29;5&RI=1;4;5&SC=1;8;5&SD=3;4;5&TN=1;11;5&TX=1;25;5&UT=3;4;5&VT=1;3;5&VA=1;12;5&WA=1;9;5&WV=1;7;5&WI=1;12;5&WY=3;3;5

Fix this now!

Modify this now

[These knuckles break before they bleed]

can anyone top this as LaFollette in 1924?

[Alcon]

This was a weird one...

I was doing great and going for a landslide, but started losing some states. However, in the end, I got a pretty good EV victory while losing the PV.



On the New Direction scenario...Feingold/Frist/Cobb/Ventura.

Notice that the map is quite boring...much like 2000 except for NM going Republican and NH going Democrat. Oh, and one other state changed hands, too.

CA was darn close which accounts for my PV loss. I won it by 13,862 votes - 45.9% to 45.8%.

Nationwide:

Frist 47% (59,392,857)
Feingold 46% (57,593,205)
Cobb 3% (3,875,403)
Ventura 3% (3,860,813)

I also am proud to say I won Texas by 8.6. Cobb got an amazing 7.9% there, too.

[These knuckles break before they bleed]

I actually won as Carter in 1980! Guess I should thank Anderson for that power 9 scandal. . He hit Reagan with another power 6 scandal, but right afterwords I got hit with one later. Luckily mine was spun out after only one turn, and Reagan's continued for quite awhile. Then I drawed all the debates, and Reagan was sunk.



Carter 49 Reagan 44 Anderson 6

closet state: Pennsylvania. I took it by only 0.1%, less than 4000 votes. NJ was also fairly close (only 0.5% margin).

Now if only that was the actual result. Things would be so much better now. sigh...

[Christopher]

 Hmmm...welll I won 1980 with Reagan in every state and damn near won D.C. with like 43% of the vote!

 Another goodie was when we (me and my buddy) won a majority with Ross Perrot in 92 by like 3 votes! It was hard though!

[Platypus]

I once won as Carter in 1980 with something like 500 EVs

[Gustaf]

I played as both Bush and Kerry trying to mimick the actual campaign...Kerry did a flip-flop on free trade to move in a populist direction. His ad production got delayed and the debate was drawn...Bush got a lot of momentum and Kerry never recovered. In the end the PV remained pretty close, Bush winning by close to 4 points, but carrying almost all the close states and getting 400 EVs.

[Colin]

I played as both Bush and Kerry trying to mimick the actual campaign...Kerry did a flip-flop on free trade to move in a populist direction. His ad production got delayed and the debate was drawn...Bush got a lot of momentum and Kerry never recovered. In the end the PV remained pretty close, Bush winning by close to 4 points, but carrying almost all the close states and getting 400 EVs.

Wish that would have happened in really life.

[Gustaf]

As an experiment I tried to create the worse possible Democratic ticket and run it as good as I could against the best possible Republican ticket. I decided on Powell/Rice v Sharpton/Lieberman. I won with SHarpton, but only narrowly after winning the debates. PV was Sharpton roughly 51-48...so this was sort of the reversed of the real result.

[Gustaf]

Dean/Gephardt v Bush/Cheney, me running Dean. I included Nader and Browne too. No dynamism.

I kicked ass, basically. And with a positive campaign only and one debate tied. No idea how it happened really. Dean won the PV 51-45 and Bush was lucky to get away with as many EVs as he did.

Closest states were:

VA: Bush by 0

AR: Bush by 0

WV: Bush by 1

TN: Dean by 1

I'm very proud of coming within 3 points in Texas and 2 points in Georgia.

[Platypus]

Josh22/Amos vs. Fritz



Fritz: 55,368,787 votes (44%) 250 EVs
Josh: 49,802,006 votes (39%) 288 EVs
Anderson (my super independent): 19,716,817 votes (15%) 0 EVs

Heaps of close states that Josh narrowly one; also Anderson stole from both sides.

States with neither Josh nor Fritz over 50%

Josh wins

Hawaii (43.1% to 40.3%)
California (39.7% to 39.5%)
Nevada (42.8% to 35.6%)
Utah (45.8% to 44.0%)
Montana (45.8% to 44.4%)
Colorado (41.3% to 40.2%)
Nebraska (46.6% to 44.0%)
Kansas (Josh 38.7%, Anderson 37.2%, Fritz 24.0%)
Louisiana (44.4% to 43.5%)
Arkansas (44.4% to 33.9%)
Missouri (36.6% to 35.6%)
Wisconsin (44.3% to 29.2%)
Florida (44.0% to 41.1%)
Georgia (47.2% to 36.6%)
Connecticut (42.6% to 36.1%)
New Hampshire (48.1% to 29.6%)

Fritz wins
North Dakota (47.3% to 44.2%)
Ohio (46.9% to 34.4%)
Tennessee (48.8% to 31.3%)
Maryland (Anderson's Home State) (45.2% to 30.8%)
Pennsylvania (38.1% to 37.0%)
New Jersey (44.8% to 28.4%)
Vermont (48.5% to 32.5%)

CLOSEST STATES

California, Josh by 0.2%
Louisiana, Josh by 0.9%
Missouri, Josh by 1.0%
Colorado, Josh by 1.1%
Pennsylvania, Fritz by 1.1%
Montana, Josh by 1.4%
Utah, Josh by 1.8%
Nebraska, Josh by 2.6%
Hawaii, Josh by 2.8%
Florida, Josh by 2.9%

All but 1 won by Josh.

This was TIGHT, but Josh did better on the last day I suppose. Fritz spent it with his VP in CA, Josh spent it in Colorado with his VP in Florida.

[Alcon]

I played as both Bush and Kerry trying to mimick the actual campaign...Kerry did a flip-flop on free trade to move in a populist direction. His ad production got delayed and the debate was drawn...Bush got a lot of momentum and Kerry never recovered. In the end the PV remained pretty close, Bush winning by close to 4 points, but carrying almost all the close states and getting 400 EVs.

It's funny looking back at the preprogrammed numbers for this election and seeing what the authors assumed the situation in states like West Virginia and Vermont was.

[Gustaf]

It's funny looking back at the preprogrammed numbers for this election and seeing what the authors assumed the situation in states like West Virginia and Vermont was.

Very true. Moreover, it's interesting to look at their gauge of the candidates. I'm beginnign to change these around now. What do you think the real stats should be? I lowered Kerry's charisma and leadership one step each. I also lowered Edwards debating skill to 3 and his charisma to 4. (5-5 there was just way out there...)

[Gustaf]

I won comfortably as Carter, playing without Anderson though.

[Gustaf]

Played a standard left v a standard right candidate (I was the libertarian flip-flopping numerous times and otherwise doing nothing) to see how it would turn out. The result:



James Right/Colin Powell: 51% of the vote and 264 electoral votes

John Left/Joseph Lieberman: 48% of the vote and 274 electoral votes

Closest state was New Hampshire which Left won by about 3 points. The first debate was a draw, the 2nd Left won and the 3rd RIght won. Left won strictly due to campaigning in the right states though.

[These knuckles break before they bleed]

I really need to install this game on my home comp.

My previous comp sucked ass and would freeze up if I ran it, so I installed it in my student files at school. I can only play it on the school computers then, but that's OK because I have to use for them a bunch of other things anyway. But it'd more convenient to have it on this one.

[PBrunsel]

My new best as Wallace in 1968:



Hubert Humphrey/Ted Kennedy: 212 Electoral Votes

Richard Nixon/Ronald Reagan: 202

George Wallace/Curtis E. LeMay: 124

Yes, I changed running mates just for the heck of it.

[Akno21]

Is there a way to get scenerios other than 2004, 1992, 1980, and 1960, the ones that come with the original game?

[PBrunsel]

Is there a way to get scenerios other than 2004, 1992, 1980, and 1960, the ones that come with the original game?

Download them from here http://www.80soft.com/pforever/scenarios/index.htm

if this is what you looking for that is. The site has been very nicely organized to say the least.

[Gustaf]

This is my best result ever with Kerry/Edwards v Bush/Cheney v Nader/Camejo v Badnarik/someone

I changed the candidates to make the game closer to real life, lowering Kerry's charisma to 2 and his leadership to 3 as well as Bush's issue knowledge to 2. I also lowered Nader's leadership to 2 his charisma to 1 and something else too (Nader is way overrated in the game, he got about 0.5% in the real election and constantly gets about 4% in the game).

I tied Bush in the popular vote of the old confederacy and won the national popular vote by about 10 points or 12 million votes, 52-42 with Nader at 3% and Badnarik at 1%.

[Middle-aged Europe]

Using the "New Frontiers - 1960", "Goldwater vs LBJ - II - 1964" and "1968mm" scenarios available on 80soft.com I just played the three U.S. presidential elections of the 1960ies. I always took the role of the Democratic candidate.




1960: Kennedy smashes Nixon.



John F. Kennedy
Popular Vote: 53%
Electoral Vote: 302

Richard Nixon
Popular Vote: 43%
Electoral Vote: 227

Harry Byrd
Popular Vote: 1%
Electoral Vote: 8



1964: Johnson wins... but with a rather "weak" electoral result (I mean, for Johnson).



Lyndon B. Johnson
Popular Vote: 53%
Electoral Vote: 359

Barry Goldwater
Popular Vote: 45%
Electoral Vote: 179




1968: In a rather dirty race for the presidency, both Humphrey and Nixon suffered some major scandals, leading to a suprisingly good result for Wallace and no majority in the Electoral College (Congress picked Hubert Humphrey in the end).



Hubert Humphrey
Popular Vote: 43%
Electoral Vote: 250

Richard Nixon
Popular Vote: 38%
Electoral Vote: 207

George Wallace
Popular Vote: 16%
Electoral Vote: 82