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« Reply #375 on: August 14, 2005, 02:42:41 AM »

And another beating:

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« Reply #376 on: August 14, 2005, 05:59:42 PM »

Nugent (R) v. Fonda (D)



Fonda - 366 EV, 69,820,388 votes (56%)
Nugent - 172 EV, 54,693,123 votes (43%)

BLUH!
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« Reply #377 on: August 14, 2005, 07:39:16 PM »

Nugent (R) v. Fonda (D)



Fonda - 366 EV, 69,820,388 votes (56%)
Nugent - 172 EV, 54,693,123 votes (43%)

BLUH!

It's on a scenario, and it was before I found the secret of President Forever, which involves attack ads
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« Reply #378 on: August 15, 2005, 02:33:19 PM »

I ran as both a generic Republican and a generic Democrat, trying to create equal candidates. The Republican was centre-right on everything, the Democrat centre-left. They had equal stats on everything. The Republican had Cheney as running mate and was from Georgia himself, the Democrat was from New Jersey and had Clark for a running mate. The campaign was highly entertaining with the Republican starting out ahead and the Democrat slowly catching up. Towards the later stages of the campaign the battle was for two groups of states; the tossups, such as Minnesota, West Virginia, Missouri and New Mexico and the Republican-leaning states, such as Tennesse, Arizona, Georgia and Florida. As the Republican focused on consolidating his 270+ electoral base the Democrat tried to reach above 270 EVs. With two weeks left, the Republican had the Bush 2004 states minus Missouri, Virginia, West Virginia and New Mexico, plus Wisconsin, the Democrat had the Kerry states minus Wisconsin and Minnesota, plus Virginia and Missouri. Minnesota, West Virginia and New Mexico were tossups. The Republican was thus ahead by about 10 EVs. With one week left Minnesota swung to the Democrats and Nevada became a tossup. At this point it was becoming clear that West Virginia was likely to go Democrat as well, giving the Democratic candidate a narrow majority. The Republican camp, desperate to edge out a win found only one state where the number of undecided was high enough to offer hope of victory - Vermont. Pulling out of West Virginia they threw everything at Vermont. With one day left Nevada went Republican and Vermont was down to a one point difference. Both candidates needed to win two out of the trio WV, NM and VT. The results in all 3 states were within 3 points, the naitonal popular vote within tenths of percents.








Right/Cheney: 267 EVs
Left/Clark: 271 EVs
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« Reply #379 on: August 15, 2005, 05:43:37 PM »
« Edited: August 15, 2005, 05:45:20 PM by Bacon King »


Dynamism off, and I didn't do that last day ad trick.
I got this as Mondale. I won the popular vote, but barely lost the electoral vote. Kentucky was a swing state during the last week, I was hoping I'd get it and win.

I was able to get a couple of big scandals on Reagan. In the midst of the scandals, I noticed Texas had more undecided voters than the difference between the two candidates, so I heavily campaigned there until I won the state over.
Reagan: 47%, 277 EVs
Mondale: 52%, 261 EVs
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« Reply #380 on: August 15, 2005, 07:55:49 PM »

Hey can someone play me?
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« Reply #381 on: August 15, 2005, 07:56:32 PM »

wait...you can play over the internet?
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« Reply #382 on: August 15, 2005, 08:02:51 PM »

no, but you can put my data in to it and play as me or anyone who has the data.
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« Reply #383 on: August 15, 2005, 08:22:26 PM »

no, but you can put my data in to it and play as me or anyone who has the data.
i see. well, sure. give me the info and ill run you against me.
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« Reply #384 on: August 15, 2005, 09:48:37 PM »


Am I imagining things, or haven't you had people do that at least two or three times already?
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« Reply #385 on: August 17, 2005, 12:27:03 AM »



Hobbes/Owens (Progressive) 45%  420 electoral votes
Inhofe/Rice (Republican)  33%  118 electoral votes
Dean/Richardson (Democratic) 20% 0 electoral votes

The new Bull Moose Party (played on The Wedge - 2008 scenario) destroyed, basically because I targeted Dean with three highly successful ads on terrorism and one highly successful Hobbes integrity ad that I spaced out nationally for three days over a two-week period.  On the last day I ran $3 million worth of one anti-Dean ad, effectively regulating the Democrats to third party status.
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« Reply #386 on: August 17, 2005, 01:06:40 PM »

no, but you can put my data in to it and play as me or anyone who has the data.
i see. well, sure. give me the info and ill run you against me.

here you go...

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« Reply #387 on: August 17, 2005, 01:53:18 PM »

Why don't you just run it youself Josh instead of continually asking people to run you.

Also haven't you asked this about 5 times before?
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« Reply #388 on: August 17, 2005, 02:17:37 PM »

Why don't you just run it youself Josh instead of continually asking people to run you.

Also haven't you asked this about 5 times before?

Because I don't have the game and my dad wont let me download it.
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« Reply #389 on: August 19, 2005, 05:13:33 PM »

Playing as Wallace (including an election day "ad dump" where I run four ads in every state):



And Congress elected Humphrey
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« Reply #390 on: August 19, 2005, 07:17:32 PM »
« Edited: August 19, 2005, 08:39:28 PM by RBH »

All hail your new Fourth party Overlords!



The three main candidates and their views.

James Cox (D-OH)

The Tariff - CL (Tariffs only for revenue generation)
Direct Democracy - CL (For primaries, Senate elections, referendums, initiative and recalls)
The League of Nations - L (The League must be created with full US Involvement)
Business Regulation - CL (The Federal government should charter business)
The Treaty of Versailles - CL (Versailles is a little too harsh on Germany)
Isolationism - CL (America should pay attention to foreign affairs)
Labor - CL (Labor Unions are a workers best protection against exploitation)
Agriculture - CL (We need better price controls)
Government expenditures - CL (Modest increase in expenditures, focus on effectiveness)
Cost of Living - C (Rising costs can be offset with growth)
Anti-Trust Laws - CL (Trusts and Monopolies should be broken-up)
Rebuilding Europe - CL (Helping Europe should be balanced with domestic concerns)
Wall Street - CL (We should be wary of the power of Wall Street)
Taxes - C (Taxes are fine as the are)
Russia - CL (We should return troops to Russia if others do)
Socialism - CL (Socialism has ideas which we can learn from)
The Wilson Legacy - L (A Great President)
Unemployment - C (Aid for a good number of depressed areas)

Warren Harding (R-OH)

Tariff - CR (Tariffs are for the protection of business and for revenue)
Direct Democracy - C (Elections are a state's issues)
The League of Nations - CR (If the League is created, the USA should not be involved)
Business Regulation - CR (We should be wary of business regulation)
The Treaty of Versailes - CR (Versailles is a little too lenient on Germany)
Isolationism - CR (America shouldn't care what happens elsewhere)
Labor Unions - CR (Unions are undermining our economy)
Agriculture - CR (Agriculture must adapt to modern business standards)
Government Expenditures - CR (Government expenditures need to be reduced)
Cost of Living - CR (Less government spending will reduce prices)
Anti-Trust Laws - CL (Trusts and Monopolies should be broken-up)
Rebuilding Europe - CR (They made the mess, let them clean it up)
Wall Street - CR (Strong Financial Markets are Vital and Should be Encouraged)
Taxes - CR (Taxes should be reduced)
Russia - CR (Europe is in a mess of it's own making)
Socialism - CR (Socialism is contrary to the American way)
The Wilson Legacy - CR (A Poor President)
Unemployment - R (No federal stimulus is necessary)

Robert Martin (F-SC)

Tariff - C (Tariffs should be used to protect labor interests and revenue)
Direct Democracy - R (The Democracy is fine as it is)
The League of Nations - R (The creation of the League should be fought at all costs)
Business Regulation - R (Business is not the concern of Government)
The Treaty of Versailes - C (It's not our problem)
Isolationism - R (America doesn't need the rest of the World)
Labor Unions - C (Labor demands must be balanced with business concerns)
Agriculture - L (We need massive subsidies to save farmers)
Government Expenditures - R (Dramatically reduce the size of the Federal Government)
Cost of Living - R (Rising costs are not a governmental concern)
Anti-Trust Laws - C (Business competitition should be regulated)
Rebuilding Europe - R (Leave them to it)
Wall Street - L (Wall Street is becoming too powerful)
Taxes - CR (Taxes should be reduced)
Russia - R (America should not become involved)
Socialism - R (Socialism is a threat to our Democracy)
The Wilson Legacy - L (A great President)
Unemployment - CR (Aid for a few depressed areas)

So. How did I do it.

#1 - Spending a lot of money

#2 - Running ads against Cox on the League of Nations

#3 - Running ads against Harding on his intregity.

Other Stuff:

Results from the former Confederate States:
Martin - 46.93% (8991872)
Cox - 34.01% (6516595)
Harding - 15.66% (3000525)
Debs - 3.40% (650855)

From the other 37 states
Harding - 39.88% (23577186)
Martin - 38.22% (22592019)
Cox - 15.44% (9129086)
Debs - 6.46% (3817302)

The five best states for Debs
California - 19.73% (2nd place, 1364234)
Arkansas - 16.69% (4th place, 131980)
Arizona - 10.40% (4th place, 59702)
Minnesota - 10.32% (3rd place, 155014)
Massachusetts - 9.5% (4th place, 216574)

The five worst states for Debs
West Virginia - 0.04% (292 votes)
South Carolina - 0.53% (5626 votes)
Texas - 0.87% (36811 votes)
Montana - 1.05% (3104 votes)
Virginia - 1.49% (25919 votes)

The five best and worst for Cox

Best: AL (52%), SC (43%), MS (41%), GA (40%), AR (40%)
Worst: WI (7%), ND (9%), MN (9%), MI (10%),  VT (11%)

The five best and worst for Harding

Best: ND (52%), MI (51%), IA (51%), CA (50%), MN (49%)
Worst: SC (0.72%), MS (7%), GA (13%), LA (14%), TX (14%)

The five best and worst for Martin

Best: WV (56%), SC (56%), TX (55%), UT (53%), VA (53%)
Worst: AR (18%), CA (19%), AL (22%), AZ (25%), DE (29%)

Martin won a majority in 10 states.
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« Reply #391 on: August 21, 2005, 07:20:58 AM »



Running a super-independent with 200 000 000 all 5s and centrist positions.
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« Reply #392 on: August 26, 2005, 12:10:21 AM »

Why don't you just run it youself Josh instead of continually asking people to run you.

Also haven't you asked this about 5 times before?

Because I don't have the game and my dad wont let me download it.

1. Do you have your own computer?

2. Just send them a money order, that's what I did.
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« Reply #393 on: August 27, 2005, 11:57:59 PM »

Same as above but now with 300 million instead of 200.



John Smith: 37%, 449 electoral votes
George W Bush: 31%, 52 electoral votes
John F Kerry: 30%, 37 electoral votes

You may note that the only states where someone got more than 40% were Bush in Utah, Idaho, Wyoming and Alaska. (Kerry got 50.9% in DC). All the states were relatively close (at least within 10 points, most within 5). Can't be bothered to post all the close results, but there were many. Bush and Kerry were redeuced to their few strongholds: IN, UT, WY, ID, AL, AK and OK for Bush (who also managed to get away with Arkansas and North Dakota), MA, RI and DC for Kerry (Kerry won MA by less than 3000 votes) He also won NJ and DE, the former by 5000 votes.
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« Reply #394 on: September 05, 2005, 02:06:18 PM »

The Cosmo Kramer Project

I'm personally very interested in how well a Populist independent would do nationally. So I did a little tweaking. I first off tweaked the Dean the Independent - 2004 scenario to give the independent a 5 in party visibility. I then made Preston's character, Arkansas Governor Cosmo Kramer, and got his issue positions off of the P4E Game that we were doing early this year. I also gave him 250,000,000 dollars. I use regionalism on all these sometimes with sometimes without dynamism.

First election:



George W. Bush (Republican): 38% 225 EVs
John Kerry (Democratic): 31% 96 EVs
Cosmo Kramer (Independent Populist): 28% 217 EVs
Michael Badnarik (player) (Libertarian): 1% 0 EVs

Second Election:



One of Kramer's best.

Bush (Republican): 33% 115 EVs
Kerry (Democrat): 35% 197 EVs
Kramer (Independent Populist): 28% 226 EVs
Badnarik (Libertarian): 3% 0 EVs



One of the more realistic maps.

Bush (Republican): 38% 252 EVs
Kerry (Democratic): 38% 270 EVs
Kramer (Independent Populist): 21% 16 EVs
Badnarik (Libertarian): 3% 0 EVs



Bush (Republican): 35% 202 EVs
Kerry (Democratic): 37% 208% EVs
Kramer (Independent Populist): 23% 128 EVs



Bush (Republican): 35% 156 EVs
Kerry (Democratic): 35% 194 EVs
Kramer (Independent Populist): 24% 188 EVs
Badnarik (Libertarian): 3% 0 EVs



A map in which Preston steals huge amounts from Kerry.

Bush (Republican): 40% 310 EVs
Kerry (Democratic): 32% 107 EVs
Kramer (Independent Populist): 24% 121 EVs
Badnarik (Libertarian): 2% 0 EVs

Well that's it for this edition of the Cosmo Kramer Project. Check back again later for more.
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« Reply #395 on: September 05, 2005, 05:49:44 PM »

Hmm.  While this is very interesting, Colin, I doubt this is very realistic.  I don't think this game has any real concept of multi-dimensional issue dynamics, and it just calculates the left-to-ring average from the sum of each issue, instead of treating each issue seperately.  I'm very confused to why I repeatedly win Oklahoma, some of the great plains states, and even Arizona and New Hampshire at times, while I lose Louisiana, Missouri, Kentucky, Mississippi quite often.  I would also say I should win Arkansas and West Virginia every time if I win any states at all.  It makes me think the game is just treating me as a generic centrist independent, considering my economic positions and social positions would just about cancel out, making me barely left of the center.
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« Reply #396 on: September 05, 2005, 11:02:56 PM »

Can you do a PA Governor Max Power project, please? Smiley Grin
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« Reply #397 on: September 06, 2005, 04:58:49 AM »

Hmm.  While this is very interesting, Colin, I doubt this is very realistic.  I don't think this game has any real concept of multi-dimensional issue dynamics, and it just calculates the left-to-ring average from the sum of each issue, instead of treating each issue seperately.  I'm very confused to why I repeatedly win Oklahoma, some of the great plains states, and even Arizona and New Hampshire at times, while I lose Louisiana, Missouri, Kentucky, Mississippi quite often.  I would also say I should win Arkansas and West Virginia every time if I win any states at all.  It makes me think the game is just treating me as a generic centrist independent, considering my economic positions and social positions would just about cancel out, making me barely left of the center.

Preston, I think there are two key diffculties with the game.1: they don't allow for party strength to vary depending to candidates. With a populist Democrat the bloc strength in states like Arkansas and West Virginia would change quite a lot. 2: the regional issue centres are, to put it simply, wrong on many occassions. West Virginia is Centre on Free Trade. Need I say more?
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« Reply #398 on: September 09, 2005, 06:18:56 PM »

Simmed on "Top Dogs: 2008"



Jesse Ventura/Angus King - 62,040,460 votes (49.93%)/511 EV
Hillary Rodham Clinton/Wesley Clark - 33,976,083 votes (27.34%)/15 EV
Rudy Giuliani/Bill Frist - 28,248,117 votes (22.73%)/12 EV
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« Reply #399 on: September 10, 2005, 04:36:36 AM »



Changed all the blips in the 1960 game and played as Decker to see what would happen:

Kennedy: 274 EVs, 49%
Nixon: 263 EVs, 46%
Faubus: 2%
Decker: 0%
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