President Forever results thread...

[Gabu]

Colin Wixted (stats taken from Jake's contest)/Bob Ehrlick vs. Kerry/Edwards



Wixted: 317 EVs 51% PV
Kerry: 221 EVs 48% PV

Best State (excluding DC)":

Wixted: Idaho 69.7%
Kerry: Washington 60.3%

That's one of the most actually possible results President Forever has come out with.

[Gabu]

Using a rather odd strategy, I managed this result in 2004, Bush vs. Kerry:



This is without dynamism, by the way.

Out of curiosity, what was the strategy?

[Gabu]

Make ads (try to make them Highly Successful) and then launch all four of them in the last two days, or however much time you have for them to run with your current money. Otherwise, the states that will swing wildly due to the ads shift back after a few days.

That isn't odd, that is what everybody does!

Yeah, that's pretty much exactly what I do.

[Gabu]

Kerry (me) vs. Bush vs. Nader vs. Badnarik:



Kerry: 522 EVs (51% PV)
Bush: 16 EVs (30% PV)
Nader: 0 EVs (6% PV)
Badnarik: 0 EVs (11% PV)

Best states:

Kerry: Massachusetts (71.6%)
Bush: South Dakota (44.8%)
Nader: Connecticut (18.0%)
Badnarik: California (32.9%)

Worst states:

Kerry: Washington (34.7%) (yes, his worst state was one he won)
Bush: Rhode Island (21.7%)
Nader: Tennessee (2.6%)
Badnarik: West Virginia (0.0% - 188 votes)

Closest states:

1. Wisconsin (Bush wins over Kerry, 40.6-39.5)
2. South Dakota (Bush wins over Kerry, 44.8-43.7)
3. California (Kerry wins over Badnarik, 35.9-32.9)

The massive Badnarik vote was mainly because we both got hit with pretty bad scandals and for quite a while we both had massive negative momentum - I just had less negative momentum than Bush did.  Badnarik was actually ahead in California for a moment, although my massive barrage of ads at the end won it back.

[Gabu]

Light Green Debs 13 EVs 17% 10,203,660

Bandit would be proud.

Not as proud as how he would be with what I just got:

Taft vs. Wilson vs. Roosevelt vs. Debs (me):



Wilson: 176 EVs (25% PV)
Roosevelt: 152 EVs (25% PV)
Taft: 146 EVs (26% PV)
Debs: 57 EVs (23% PV)

Best states:

Wilson: Arkansas (44.5%)
Roosevelt: Washington (40.2%)
Taft: Utah (56.6%)
Debs: South Dakota (39.8%)

Worst states:

Wilson: Montana (8.9%)
Roosevelt: Utah (4.8%)
Taft: Texas (6.9%)
Debs: Colorado (7.9%)

Closest states:

1. Oregon (Taft wins over Roosevelt, 31.0-30.8 )
2. Wisconsin (Taft wins over Wilson, 31.2-30.9)
3. Indiana (Wilson wins over Taft, 33.0-32.4)

I basically did absolutely nothing the entire time except for making ads and fundraising to put out as many ads as possible.  I also was successful in unearthing power 9 scandals on both Wilson and Roosevelt, who were for the longest time by far the frontrunners.  Taft picked up some of the slack, and I picked up the rest, successfully winning 4 states for Debs and nearly winning him the popular vote.

[Gabu]

Out of curiosity, how do you guys get such massive landslides where you get 60+% of the popular vote?  I've done everything I can think of and have never gotten out of the fifties.

[Gabu]

Out of curiosity, how do you guys get such massive landslides where you get 60+% of the popular vote?  I've done everything I can think of and have never gotten out of the fifties.

I use leadership ads in the last seven days. Usually four of them running in every state for a week.

How do you afford running four ads in every state for a week?  The money I have in the 2004 scenario only lasts three days.

[Gabu]

All I do during the campaign is fundraise and win the endorsement money. Running the ads is enough to gain enormous momentum.

Hmm, I may try that, just to see what happens.

[Gabu]

I'm disappointed every time I get below 55%...I post every time I play, so my results here aren't the best of the best. If you want to win big you need to produce a lot of negative momentum for your opponent. Hold attack-speeches - they almost always make the papers (more frequently than the positive ones) and can have a good effect early on on your opponent's momentum. Never touch an issue if it isn't at least on medium, preferably on high or very high.

Actually, I found my problem: I was playing with two other people.  Once I made it only me and Bush, I won with 60% of the vote.

[Gabu]

That just about explains why I wouldn't waste the money to buy this game.

But half the fun of the game is attempting to make incredibly impossible results.  Realistic results are boring.

[Gabu]

Nice job on Utah, I didn't think that was possible

Utah is actually surprisingly easy for a Democrat to take in President Forever, I've found.  It's @^#^ing Idaho that usually gives me trouble.

[Gabu]

And all that led to this rather odd map:



Clark/Clinton (me)- 57%, 479 EV
Bush/Cheney- 36%, 59 EV
Nader/LaDuke- 4%, 0 EV
Badnarik/Campagna- 2%, 0 EV

Tooooooo lazy to do the rest...

NEED FOOD

I think all of this proves my comment above about Idaho.

[Gabu]

And all that led to this rather odd map:



Clark/Clinton (me)- 57%, 479 EV
Bush/Cheney- 36%, 59 EV
Nader/LaDuke- 4%, 0 EV
Badnarik/Campagna- 2%, 0 EV

Tooooooo lazy to do the rest...

NEED FOOD

I think all of this proves my comment above about Idaho.

If you a scroll back a page or two, I won Idaho as Bob Casey in the Rising Stars scenario

Idaho in 2004, I mean.  It's almost impossible to win as the Democrat (although I have done it a couple times).

[Gabu]

I'm just waiting for 1900 and 1904, two of my favorite elections, to have a scenario.

I would attempt to make them if I knew anything at all about them.

[Gabu]

I was upset when I lost NY 51-49, which prevented me from my first 500 game on PF ever.   

Yes, getting your first 500 game is always a proud achievement.

I'm still attempting to get a perfect 538 game with Kerry.  The closest I've gotten so far is something like 522, losing only Wisconsin, South Dakota, and Alaska.

[Gabu]

I'm just waiting for 1900 and 1904, two of my favorite elections, to have a scenario.

I would attempt to make them if I knew anything at all about them.

I could send you some info on them.

Give you issues and candidates.

If you could do that, I'd be more than happy to see if I could put something together in my spare time.

[Gabu]

Could you put a map up?

Uh, no... the Electoral College Calculator on this site has only three parties and I didn´t know a other way to make a map. But the single state that was won by Taft was Delaware if I recall correctly.

How do you guys make maps with four candidates?

I just save the three-party file to disk and then manually color in the fourth party's states in an image editing program.

[Gabu]

I finally won this game.  I was playing as Al Gore.  I actually won the Electoral Vote but lost the popular vote

Oh the irony.

[Gabu]

Hey can someone play me?

Am I imagining things, or haven't you had people do that at least two or three times already?

[Gabu]

Bush- 35%, 239 EV
Kerry- 33%, 196 EV
[Your] Mom- 26%, 103 EV
Badnarik- 3%, 0 EV

Hahaha, glad to see that Washington is a family-friendly state.

[Gabu]

Breckenridge started out with a slight edge, but in what was quite possibly the most negative election in the history of the United States, Breckenridge got clobbered by Douglas with a momentum of -331 on the last day.  Douglas ran as many attack ads as he possibly could and filled the pages of the newspapers with scandals on Breckenridge on the last week of the campaign.  The South crumbled like a cookie before Breckenridge's eyes, leaving him with only 4 states worth 22 electoral votes in his column.

Best states - Douglas:

New Jersey:

Douglas: 87.9%
Breckenridge: 12.0%

Michigan:

Douglas: 86.1%
Breckenridge: 13.8%

New York:

Douglas: 85.1%
Breckenridge: 14.8%

Best states - Breckenridge:

South Carolina:

Breckenridge: 58.6%
Douglas: 41.3%

Texas:

Breckenridge: 55.7%
Douglas: 44.2%

Florida:

Breckenridge: 52.3%
Douglas: 47.6%

Closest states:

1. Mississippi (Breckenridge wins, 50.0%-50.0% - 17 votes!)
2. Arkansas (Douglas wins, 50.2%-49.7%)
3. Virginia (Douglas wins, 51.2%-48.7%)

[Gabu]

1928 - Smith vs. Hoover:



Smith - 531 EVs - 68% PV
Hoover - 0 EVs - 23% PV
Thomas - 0 EVs - 6% PV
Foster - 0 EVs - 2% PV

The election started off much in Hoover's favor, with him holding over 400 EVs, but a barrage of ads halfway through the campaign blasted Hoover's lead out of the water, and although Hoover tried to get back at Smith at the end through attack ads in retaliation and through two scandals released in the last week, Smith had a scandal of his own to release as well as another week-long barrage of ads, dooming Hoover to a complete knock-out on Election Day.  Thomas produced a complete surprise showing in Alabama, receiving 24.8% of the vote, surprising everyone.

Best states - Smith:

South Carolina:

Smith: 96.7%
Hoover: 2.2%

Mississippi:

Smith: 91.8%
Hoover: 7.9%

Louisiana:

Smith: 90.2%
Hoover: 8.5%

Best states - Hoover:

Arizona:

Smith: 52.6%
Hoover: 36.8%

Florida:

Smith: 52.7%
Hoover: 35.3%

Kansas:

Smith: 69.6%
Hoover: 28.2%

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So, uh, I think my new P4E strategy worked.

[Gabu]

Having thoroughly clobbered Hoover, I decided to try out one of the hardest elections to win ever...

1984 - Mondale vs. Reagan



Mondale - 456 EVs - 65% PV
Reagan - 82 EVs - 34% PV

At the beginning of the election, Mondale was ahead in only one single state: his own state of Minnesota.  For the first half of the election, it looked like Mondale would lose in a landslide, but Mondale knew what he was doing.  Near the midway point, Mondale unleashed a quick 2-day blitz of ads - one attack ad on Reagan, one promoting himself - in 25 states, and while it was short, it put a noticeable dent in Reagan's lead, flipping many close states to Mondale.  With two weeks to go, Mondale leaked a huge scandal on Reagan.  With one and a half weeks to go, Mondale leaked another.  With five days to go, Mondale leaked a third.  For the last three days, Mondale broadcast four ads - two attacking Reagan, two promoting himself - again in 25 states, running out of money at just the right time: on election day.

Reagan never had a chance.

An odd thing to note is that, with the exception of Tennessee, Reagan received over 60% of the vote in all of the states that he did manage to win.

Best states - Mondale:

Minnesota:

Mondale: 80.1%
Reagan: 19.8%

New York:

Mondale: 79.8%
Reagan: 20.1%

Rhode Island:

Mondale: 77.7%
Reagan: 22.2%


Best states - Reagan:

Colorado:

Reagan: 69.2%
Mondale: 30.7%

Mississippi:

Reagan: 68.1%
Mondale: 31.8%

South Dakota:

Reagan: 66.6%
Mondale: 33.3%

[Gabu]

Holy sh**t, biggest landslide since the popular vote became common.

Yes, winning almost every state with over 70% of the vote can do that.

[Gabu]

This one is for States.   I decided to try my hand as Wallace in 1968.

Humphrey vs. Nixon vs. Wallace - 1968



Wallace - 226 EVs - 33% PV
Nixon - 173 EVs - 35% PV
Humphrey - 140 EVs - 29% PV

Same deal as before.  Since we had three people, I decided to make full state-by-state maps instead of just doing the "best state" thing.

Hubert Humphrey:



Richard Nixon:



George Wallace:



Congress elected Humphrey as president.

And no, I don't know why Oregon voted for Wallace.