President Forever results thread...

[Gustaf]

Phew! This one was close...:

Bush: 36 963 395 (33%) 185 EVs
Clinton: 36 812 267 (33%) 127 EVs
Perot: 35 816 774 (33%) 226 EVs

Best states:
Bush: Georgia, 52.9%
Clinton: Arkansas, 51.7%
Perot: Wyoming 64.6%

Worse states:
Bush: Vermont, 14.1%
Clinton: Utah, 11%
Perot: Alabama, 9.2%

Closest states:
Florida, Bush-Perot-Clinton 34.4%-33.3%-32.2%
California: Perot-Clinton 37.6%-36.8%
Colorado: Clinton-Bush 36.7%-35.9%

New York, Illinois and Iowa were also very close.

If I hadn't spent all my money in the first two weeks I might have won this one. Still, I'm very pleased.

[Gustaf]

My 3rd attempt with Perot...this one went badly, I chrushed Bush in the beginning but Clinton managed to capitalize on it despite being hit with several scandals.

I beat Bush in the electoral college, at least.

Oh, and Jake, the house always picks Clinton in the 1992 scenario, I think. Just like they always pick Bush in the 2004 scenario.

[Gustaf]

Almost managed to get Clinton in the end this time, but somehow the scandal on him just wouldn't stick.

Bush: 29%, 143 EVs
Clinton: 38%, 244 EVs
Perot: 31%, 151 EVs

I came very close in several states, especially Alaska, Oregon, Kansas and Missouri. Clinton's win in Kansas was due to the fact that I demolished Bush there with negative campaigning (27.5% in Kansas for a Republican...ouch).

Once again, Vermont was Bush's weakest state giving him an abysmal 14.7%. In DC Bush got only 5.7%. For Clinton it was South Dakota, 16.7%. My worse was Alabama where I got 12%. 

[Gustaf]

Hehe...I got bored and decided to play with dynamism on. Had forgot how easy that makes it...I had a constant of 13% until it was like 2 weeks left (I had too little support to participate in the first two debates). I then surged 8 points to 21%, won the third debate. Clinton had been hit with scandals previously and was pretty much out at this stage, Bush was the leading candidate. I got a power 9 scandal on him, another power 9 scandal came along on him. These two got spun for the rest of the campaign, lowering his momentum to about -400 with Clinton at -100 and me at about +75. In the last poll I had gained 8% and 216 EVs getting me to 31% and 256 EVs. On election day it was a blow-out. Clinton and Bush both lost about 50 EVs each from the day before the election to election day.

Perot: 44%, 370 EVs
Clinton: 29%, 107 EVs
Bush: 26%, 61 EVs

Best states:
Perot: Washington, 67.3%
Clinton: Arkansas, 64.5% (this is the only time it's not DC!)
Bush: Louisiana, 50.7%

Worse states:
Perot: Arkansas, 14.7%
Clinton: Utah, 11.1%
Bush: Massachusetts, 12.7% (DC, 4.6%)

Closest states:
Iowa: CLinton beats Perot 39%-36.8%
Virginia: Bush beats Perot 42.8%-40.6%

I'd like to have it noted that I lost DC to Clinton 41.8%-53.4%, which I consider to be very good.

[Gustaf]

Re: Mondale:



Reagan v Mondale

PV was Mondale 54-45, EV 375-163

Best states:
Mondale:
Rhode Island: 69.8%
New York: 66.7%
New Mexico: 66.1%
Minnesota: 64.2%
Oregon: 63.2%
New Jersey: 62%
Virginia: 61.5%
Massachusetts: 60.5%

Reagan:
Alaska: 61.6%
Utah: 61.3%
Idaho: 59.8%

Worse states:
The converse...this was a two-man race.

Closest states:
Michigan, Reagan by 0.3% (12 309 votes)
Wyoming, Mondale by 1.5% (3 208 votes)

[Gustaf]

Mondale-Reagan was easier than I had anticipated...Reagan led throughout the campaign but I swung it to myself in the end.

[Gustaf]

Running myself with leadership 2, charisma 3 and the rest 4s against Bush. PV I won 54-41, EV 427-111.

[Gustaf]

Ok, who do you wanna run against what are your stats and so on?



Sooner or later I will win as Perot.

Without dynamism it's pretty hard though...PV was Clinton-Bush-Perot 34-33-32. Funny how the EV and PV were reversed; I won the EV before Bush with Clinton last, 226-194-118.

[Gustaf]

This one was darn close! I got 34% of the PV and 248 EVs. Bush got 33% and 100 EVs, Clinton 31% and 190 EVs. (Clinton got Illinois, California and New York, but that was pretty much it for him.

[Gustaf]

Ok, this was just too much...

Perot: 268 EVs, 37% (41 359 273 votes)

Clinton: 126 EVs, 31% (34 380 877 votes)

Bush: 144 EVs, 30% (33 771 318 votes)

Deciding state: Connecticut where the results were:
Bush: 40.1% (580 679)
Perot: 39.3% (568 060)
Clinton: 20.4% (294 719)

I was 1300 votes from winning!

[Gustaf]

I decided to run the Swedish PM against Bush and loaded his stats and platform as best I could. The result:

Persson/Nuder: 54% and 425 EVs
Bush/Cheney: 40% and 113 EVs
Nader/Camejo: 3%
Badnarik: 1%

I started out 41%-45% though and it got to 41%-46% before I turned it around.

[Gustaf]

Bush/Cheney (me) v Clark/Edwards, no others.

Bush: 62% (77 088 439 votes) and 508 EVs
Clark: 37% (47 133 202 votes) and 30 EVs

Best states:
Bush:
Wyoming: 80.1%
Idaho: 79.2%
Utah: 78.1%

Clark:
Florida: 53.7%
Delaware: 47.1%
Iowa: 46.5%

(DC was 59-41 to Clark)

Closest states were Clark's 3 best.

I broke 60% in both the northwest (WA and OR) and upper New England (ME, VT, NH) as well as in Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania.

[Gustaf]

Dukakis: 60%, 522 EVs
Bush: 37%: 16 EVs

[Gustaf]

Goldwater v LBJ -I

GOldwater: 61% and 485 EVs
LBJ: 38% and 51 EVs

Best states:
Goldwater:
 Mississippi: 94.1%
Alabama: 84.3%
The Carolinas: 74.6% in both
Lousiana: 74.5%

LBJ:
West Virginia: 61.4%
Hawaii: 52.8%
California: 50.4%

Funny how easy this was...

And, Old EUrope, the DUkais scenario is pretty easy to win, Dukakis is heavily favoured. 

[Gustaf]

Max Power's scenario

Bush/Cheney: 58%, 73 089 508 votes and 535 EVs
Gore/Kerry: 34%, 43 320 418 votes and 3 EVs
Nader: 3%
Buchanan: 2%

Best states:

Bush:
Nebraska: 71%
Idaho: 69.3%
Utah: 68.4%

Gore:
Rhode Island: 42.6%
Massachussetts: 42.6%
New York: 42%

Worse states:
Massachussetts: 49.6%
New YOrk: 49.9%
Rhode Island: 50.8%

DC was Gore 56.5% Bush 36%

[Gustaf]

I'm disappointed every time I get below 55%...I post every time I play, so my results here aren't the best of the best. If you want to win big you need to produce a lot of negative momentum for your opponent. Hold attack-speeches - they almost always make the papers (more frequently than the positive ones) and can have a good effect early on on your opponent's momentum. Never touch an issue if it isn't at least on medium, preferably on high or very high.

[Gustaf]

I finally did it!
(Without dynamism, spies or fog of war but with economy)

Perot/Stockdale: 41.2%, 45 161 274 votes, 334 EVs

Bush/Quayle: 29.7%, 32 578 468 votes, 150 EVs

Clinton/Gore: 29.1%, 31 845 576 votes, 54 EVs

Best states:

Perot:

Utah: 64.7%
South Dakota: 63.1%
Oklahoma: 62.8%
Texas: 62.1%
Washington: 60.6%

Bush:

Alabama: 53.4%
Virginia: 49.9%
Mississippi: 48.4%
North Carolina: 47.4%
Arkansas: 45%

Clinton:

Arkansas; 42.4%
Maryland: 39.3%
Georgia: 38.4%
Colorado: 37.6%
Hawaii: 37.3%

Worse states:

Perot:

Alabama: 12.2%
Arkansas: 12.4%
Hawaii: 18.3%
Georgia: 18.3%
Kentucky: 21.1%

Bush:

Rhode Island: 13.9%
Massachusetts: 14%
Vermont: 14.9%
Maine: 15.6%
Missouri: 16.1%

Clinton:

Utah: 13.1%
North Dakota: 14.5%
Alaska: 15.2%
Wyoming: 17%
Oklahoma: 17.1%

Closest states:

Tennessee: Bush v Clinton, 34.6% v 34%
Colorado: Clinton v Perot, 37.6% v 36.6%
Arizona: Bush v Perot, 37.1% v 36%
Arkansas: Bush v Clinton, 45% v 42.4%

DC was
Clinton: 68.5%
Perot: 26.5%
Bush: 4.9%

[Gustaf]

Josh, here's your game:

Craddock/McCain: 50%, 270 EVs

Kerry/Edwards: 48%, 268 EVs

Badnarik/Nolan (me), 0% (400 000 votes)

The state results were pretty much along the same lines as the real 2004 results. Generally though, no states were close, witht the sole exception of West Virginia which Craddock won by 631 votes, 49% and 399 815 votes v 48.9% and 399 186 votes. Badnarik got 1.9% or 15 760 votes.

[Gustaf]

Bush/Quayle: 452 EVs, 46%
Clinton/Gore: 83 EVs, 34%
Perot/Stockdale: 3 EVs, 19%

Best states:
Bush:
Tennessee: 66%
Mississippi: 63.9%
Virginia: 54.3%
South Carolina: 53.7%
North Carolina: 53.2%

Clinton:
Louisiana: 54.4%
New Mexico: 53.2%
New York: 52.5%
New Jersey: 48.8%
Arkansas: 47.4%

Perot:
Wyoming: 43.9%
Utah: 42.6%
Nebraska: 39.7%
South Dakota: 38.1%
North Dakota: 37.2%

Worse states:
Bush:
New Mexico: 36.5%
Massachusetts: 37%
Louisiana: 37.9%
New York: 38.1%
New Jersey: 38.4%

Clinton:
Utah: 11.2%
Nebraska: 12.6%
North Dakota: 14.5%
Idaho: 14.6%
Wyoming: 15.9%

Perot:
Mississippi: 1.2%
Alabama: 4.8%
Tennessee: 4.9%
Virginia: 5%
Arkansas: 5.7%

Closest states:
Georgia: Bush over Clinton by 0.3%, 8 355 votes
Hawaii: Bush over Clinton by 0.5%, 2 331 votes
Arkansas: Clinton over Bush by 0.6%, 6 881 votes

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I almost never got any good ads and ran out of money on the last day...but still won comfortably with Bush by focusing on my experience. I got hit by 4 scandals, I think it was, one power 9, one power 3 and two power 6. Clinton won every debate.

[Gustaf]

I Created the leaders of the major parties in Sweden in PF and gave them the issue stands they hold in Sweden, but adjusted for American circumstances (favouring same tax rate would mean favouring low taxes in the game and so on) I was the libertarian and did nothing.



Persson/Nuder (D): 46% and 195 EVs
Reinfeldt/Olofsson (R): 52% and 343 EVs
Badnarik/Campagna (L): 1% and 0 EVs

[Gustaf]

I ran as Persson and got this:
Persson: 56% and 466 EVs
Reinfeldt: 38% and 72 EVs
Nader: 2%
Badnarik: 2%

[Gustaf]

Played Persson/Nuder v Bush/Cheney (and minor parties)



I started 150 EVs and about 3% behind. Final result:

Persson/Nuder: 398 EVs 54%
Bush/cheney: 140 EVs 40%
Nader: 2%
Badnarik: 1%

Now, the Dakotas, Kentucky and South Carolina were all very, very close, South Carolina especially, Bush won by 1000 votes - not even a tenth of a percentage point.

[Gustaf]

I ran as Colin Powell in that 2008 scenario with Frist for the GOP, Clark for the Democrats and Powell/Rice as independents.

[Gustaf]

Where is the 1968 scenario?

[Gustaf]

Played standard 1992 with Clinton v Bush v Perot. No dynamism, spies or fog of war.

Clinton: 48% and 538 EVs
Bush: 34% and 0 EVs
Perot: 17% and 0 EVs

Best states:

Clinton:

South Carolina: 58%
Hawaii: 57.1%
West Virginia: 56.8%
New Jersey: 54%
Pennsylvania: 52.3%
Arkansas: 52.2%

Bush:

Georgia: 46.4%
New Mexico: 42.7%
Arkansas: 42%
Alabama: 41.9%
Tennessee: 40.2%
Lousiana: 40%

(those were the only states where Bush got over 40%)

Perot:

Arizona: 36.2%
Utah: 34.6%
Washington: 31.4%
Idaho: 30.7%
Kansas: 30.4%
Oklahoma: 29.8%

Worse states:

Clinton:

Arizona: 37.1%
Utah: 38.5%
Rhode Island: 38.6%
Idaho: 39.2%
Washington: 39.2%
(only states where Clinton didn't get at least 40%)

Bush:

North Dakota: 24.4%
Oregon: 26.4%
Arizona: 26.6%
Utah: 26.8%
Oklahoma: 27.5%

Perot:

South Carolina: 5.2%
Mississippi: 5.3%
Arkansas: 5.7%
Georgia: 6.1%
Tennessee: 6.3%

Closest states:
Arizona: Clinton over Perot by 0.9%, about 14 000 votes
Georgia: Clinton over Bush by 1%, about 29 000 votes
Rhode Island: Clinton over Bush by 2.8%, about 12 000 votes
New Mexico: Clinton over Bush by 3.2%, about 21 000 votes

DC was Clinton 86%, Bush 11.2% and Perot 2.7%.

Yeehaah!