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« Reply #1800 on: August 01, 2009, 01:06:26 AM »

A "The Watchmen" based election scenario I created for 1984. (Played as the independent candidate)



(R)-Richard Nixon/Gerald Ford: 595 EV, 55.8%
(D)-George McGovern/Jerry Brown: 23 EV, 41.9%
Others (Independent): 0 EV, 2.3%
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« Reply #1801 on: August 01, 2009, 09:35:20 AM »

2008 enhanced scenario

Democratic Primaries


Blue - Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY)
Green - Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) (I played as Obama in the primaries)
Red - Former Vice President Al Gore (D-TN)

Just 5 candidates entered their names for the democratic primaries (Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Al Gore, John Edwards and Russ Feingold). Vice President Gore took an early lead in the delegate count as he won all but one (Florida) of the early primaries leaving Super Tuesday a complete toss up between Senators Clinton and Obama. Gore pulled off some unexpected victories on Super Tuesday leaving him in a strong third place with Senator Clinton in second and Senator Obama far ahead in first, although short of a majority of the delegates. By the time the Montana and South Dakota primaries were over, Senator Obama was leading Hillary in the popular vote almost 2-1, he had 45%, and Vice President Gore was just 2% behind Clinton. Obama, having fallen just 100 delegates short of a majority, requested that Gore withdraw from the race and endorse him, a request which the former Vice President declined. Al Gore endorsed Hillary Clinton in July giving her a slim majority of the delegates. At the convention, the true victor, Barack Obama conceded to Senator Clinton. Many in the party had thought that Clinton would select Obama as her running mate, but she chose Governor Brian Schweitzer of Montana.


Republican Primaries


Green - Former Governor Mitt Romney (R-MA)
Blue - Senator John McCain (R-AZ)
Yellow - Former Mayor Rudy Giuliani (R-NY)
Red - Former Governor Mike Huckabee (R-AR)
Orange - Former Senator Fred Thompson (R-TN)


General Election


Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY)/Governor Brian Schweitzer (D-MT) - 356 electoral votes and 68,228,572 (52.9%) popular votes
Former Governor Mitt Romney (R-MA)/Former Mayor Rudy Giuliani (R-NY) - 182 electoral votes and 60,791,721 (47.1%) popular votes
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« Reply #1802 on: August 01, 2009, 04:03:16 PM »

2008 election scenario

Democratic primaries


Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) - 50.8% PV/2098 delegates
Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY) - 49.2% PV/2078 delegates


General Election


Senator Barack Obama (D-IL)/Senator Evan Bayh (D-IN) - 514 electoral votes and 73,872,982 (63.0%) popular votes
Former Senator Fred Thompson (R-TN)/Former Speaker of the United States House of Representatives Newt Gingrich (R-GA) - 24 electoral votes and 43,315,601 (37.0%) popular votes
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« Reply #1803 on: August 01, 2009, 04:08:56 PM »
« Edited: August 01, 2009, 04:49:43 PM by Lt. Governor Barnes »

I played as Anderson in 1980.



John Connally/Phil Crane (R): 322 EV, and 38,385,280 (44.2%)
Jimmy Carter/Walter Monalde (D): 216 EV, and 37,789,489 (43%)
John Anderson/Patrick Lucey (I): 0EV, and 11,247,346 (12.8%)

Anderson did really well across the entire country, but his best showing was in Maine with 24.2% of the vote! Texas was the closest:

Carter: 2,431,703 (45.2%)
Connelly: 2,426,301 (45.1%)
Anderson: 562,546 (9.7%)

Connelly was projected the President about half way through the night, but not long after that, Texas got really close, and they took the projection back. He hovered around 269 for the rest of the night, with Carter slowly catching up to him, but then California went, and Connelly won.
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« Reply #1804 on: August 01, 2009, 04:50:19 PM »

A deadlocked convention for the Democratic Party between Cuomo and Clinton harmed their chances in the election, especially when Clinton had won the popular vote in the primaries. Clinton had also been ahead in the delegate count, but Gephardt's delegates trended strongly for Cuomo, giving him the nomination. Depending on fundraising rather than goverment funds, I was able to keep going after Cuomo's campaign ran out of funds. A massive amount of scandals thrown out by Cuomo and Perot almost derailed my campaign, but a large last minute ad campaign was enough to negate the effects, and then gave me a small momentum boost going into election day. Footsoldiers were able to capture state that were polling Democratic, like New York, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Massachusetts.



George H. W. Bush (R-TX)/Jack Kemp (R-NY) 46,573,797 42.3%/531 Electoral
Ross Perot (I-TX)/James Stockdale (I-IL) 26,773,199 24.3%/4 Electoral
Mario Cuomo (D-NY)/Max Baucus  (D-MT) 36,749,868 33.4%/3 Electoral

Epic F***ing win!
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« Reply #1805 on: August 01, 2009, 10:23:12 PM »

I played as Anderson in 1980.



John Connally/Phil Crane (R): 322 EV, and 38,385,280 (44.2%)
Jimmy Carter/Walter Monalde (D): 216 EV, and 37,789,489 (43%)
John Anderson/Patrick Lucey (I): 0EV, and 11,247,346 (12.8%)

Anderson did really well across the entire country, but his best showing was in Maine with 24.2% of the vote! Texas was the closest:

Carter: 2,431,703 (45.2%)
Connelly: 2,426,301 (45.1%)
Anderson: 562,546 (9.7%)

Connelly was projected the President about half way through the night, but not long after that, Texas got really close, and they took the projection back. He hovered around 269 for the rest of the night, with Carter slowly catching up to him, but then California went, and Connelly won.
How did you get Anderson to win support? That is, if you started in the primaries, then Anderson would have started with 0%, both in the General Election and the primary maps.
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« Reply #1806 on: August 01, 2009, 10:25:35 PM »
« Edited: August 01, 2009, 10:27:45 PM by Lt. Governor Barnes »

I played as Anderson in 1980.



John Connally/Phil Crane (R): 322 EV, and 38,385,280 (44.2%)
Jimmy Carter/Walter Monalde (D): 216 EV, and 37,789,489 (43%)
John Anderson/Patrick Lucey (I): 0EV, and 11,247,346 (12.8%)

Anderson did really well across the entire country, but his best showing was in Maine with 24.2% of the vote! Texas was the closest:

Carter: 2,431,703 (45.2%)
Connelly: 2,426,301 (45.1%)
Anderson: 562,546 (9.7%)

Connelly was projected the President about half way through the night, but not long after that, Texas got really close, and they took the projection back. He hovered around 269 for the rest of the night, with Carter slowly catching up to him, but then California went, and Connelly won.
How did you get Anderson to win support? That is, if you started in the primaries, then Anderson would have started with 0%, both in the General Election and the primary maps.

I started in the General election. The main reason was because I wanted the GOP candidate to be someone other than Reagan. But I ran really hard in the Northeast, and used a lot of footsoilders there, in New York I used more than Carter or Connelly!
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« Reply #1807 on: August 01, 2009, 10:39:30 PM »
« Edited: August 01, 2009, 10:58:08 PM by Lahbas »

1980 General Election Ford vs Carter 2 Part I

I played as Gerald Ford in a fictitious scenario in which Ronald Reagan decides not to run again for the Presidency, while Ford throws his hat into the ring. All the rest is the same.
1980 Democratic Primaries

Red=Carter   
Blue=Kennedy
Kennedy was polling ahead, until the Mudd Interview, and the “rally around the flag” regarding the hostages in Iran. Surprisingly, Kennedy held on long into the primaries, until finally dropping out late in the season. He refused to endorse Carter, however. Carter for some reason dropped Mondale from the ticket, bringing in young Governor Daniel Robert “Bob” Graham.      
1980 Republican Primaries

Green=Ford   
Blue=Bush   
Red=Baker
Playing as Ford, even on hard, I was surprised at the intensity of the primary fight. Bush upset me in almost every state he won, except Massachusetts, and Baker in New Hampshire. Bush refused to drop out, confident in his late primary wins, until only the Utah primary was left. At that point, he finally conceded, having been promised a good position within the Ford administration. At the Convention, Ford would choose Senate Minority Leader Howard Henry Baker Jr. from Tennessee as his running mate.

I post the results of the general election in just a second.
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« Reply #1808 on: August 01, 2009, 10:43:16 PM »

I played as Anderson in 1980.



John Connally/Phil Crane (R): 322 EV, and 38,385,280 (44.2%)
Jimmy Carter/Walter Monalde (D): 216 EV, and 37,789,489 (43%)
John Anderson/Patrick Lucey (I): 0EV, and 11,247,346 (12.8%)

Anderson did really well across the entire country, but his best showing was in Maine with 24.2% of the vote! Texas was the closest:

Carter: 2,431,703 (45.2%)
Connelly: 2,426,301 (45.1%)
Anderson: 562,546 (9.7%)

Connelly was projected the President about half way through the night, but not long after that, Texas got really close, and they took the projection back. He hovered around 269 for the rest of the night, with Carter slowly catching up to him, but then California went, and Connelly won.
How did you get Anderson to win support? That is, if you started in the primaries, then Anderson would have started with 0%, both in the General Election and the primary maps.

I started in the General election. The main reason was because I wanted the GOP candidate to be someone other than Reagan. But I ran really hard in the Northeast, and used a lot of footsoilders there, in New York I used more than Carter or Connelly!
If you look back, I tried to take down Reagan while playing as Connally. The only problem is, Reagan almost always takes the fight to the convention, and in that case it caused me to be far behind Carter. I've never run as Anderson in '80, only in '84. I might try it now that you have. If possible, I'll try manipulating the game so that at 100% support for Anderson in the primaries, he has the same support as he has in the general election.
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« Reply #1809 on: August 01, 2009, 10:55:33 PM »
« Edited: August 01, 2009, 10:57:39 PM by Lahbas »

1980 General Election Ford vs. Carter Part II

Going into the election, Ford already had a decent lead over Carter. What only made it worse was that Ford had a massive fundraising advantage, had praticed both his issues and debating skills, and was able to appeal to most of the nation. Ford throughout the election all the way to election day was overwhelmingly voted for in the polls, and Carter was only contesting several states. The Ford Campaigns massive media blitz, and the destructive scandals leaked into the press two days before the election only dimmed Carter's electoral hopes. Carter conceded the election to Ford before the results from the Western states started to come in.



Lightly Colored states were within 2% of the runner up.

Gerald Ford (R-MI)/Howard Baker (R-TN) 45,645,688 56.1% 513 Electoral
Jimmy Carter (D-GA)/Bob Graham (D-FL) 35,769,242 43.9% 25 Electoral

Delware was ridiculously close, with the two candidates only split by 97 vote!

Delware
Gerald Ford (R-MI)/Howard Baker (R-TN) 105,510 50%
Jimmy Carter (D-GA)/Bob Graham (D-FL) 105,413 50%
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« Reply #1810 on: August 02, 2009, 09:28:44 AM »

Played as Anderson in the general election. Strategy consisted of nothing more than footsoldiers and the occasional ad. Concentrated almost entirely on the Liberal North and the Pacific Coast, but soem support built up in Texas as well as Florida. I went into election day, thanks to a massive media blitz the day before, with +22 momentum.



It is hard to say if Anderson cost Reagan the election, or if Reagan would have done worse.

Jimmy Carter (D-GA)/Walter Mondale (D-MN) 34,352,036 39.1% / 372 Electoral
Ronald Reagan (R-CA)/George H. W. Bush (R-TX) 30,772,587 35% / 137 Electoral
John Anderson (I-IL)/Patrick Lucey (I-WI) 22,747,492 25.9% / 29 Electoral
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« Reply #1811 on: August 02, 2009, 04:18:58 PM »

I played as Perot, this time in the general election rather than starting from the primaries. I thought that I was only going to get into the lower 20's, but I was suprised at how strong Perot really was. Strategy was similar to what I used for Anderson, except I placed the footsoldiers anywhere I thought I had a chance at electoral victories. Despite Clinton winning the electoral and popular vote, Bush won the election in the House.



Bill Clinton (D-AK)/Al Gore (D-TN) 37,306,755 35.9% / 225 Electoral
George H. W. Bush (R-TX)/Dan Quayle (R-IN) 36,224,920 34.8% / 187 Electoral
Ross Perot (I-TX)/James Stockdale (I-CA) 30,512,877 29.3% / 126 Electoral

These were the closest states in the election.

Montana
George H. W. Bush (R-TX)/Dan Quayle (R-IN) 115,218 34.6%
Ross Perot (I-TX)/James Stockdale (I-CA) 115,147 34.6%
Bill Clinton (D-AK)/Al Gore (D-TN) 102,361 30.8%

Wyoming
George H. W. Bush (R-TX)/Dan Quayle (R-IN) 69,746 36.5%
Ross Perot (I-TX)/James Stockdale (I-CA) 68,782 36%
Bill Clinton (D-AK)/Al Gore (D-TN) 52,770 27.6%

Utah
George H. W. Bush (R-TX)/Dan Quayle (R-IN) 275,881 38.6%
Ross Perot (I-TX)/James Stockdale (I-CA) 271,961 38.1%
Bill Clinton (D-AK)/Al Gore (D-TN) 166,738 23.3%

Idaho
Ross Perot (I-TX)/James Stockdale (I-CA) 173,515 40.6%
George H. W. Bush (R-TX)/Dan Quayle (R-IN) 170,253 39.9%
Bill Clinton (D-AK)/Al Gore (D-TN) 83,335 19.5%

Colorado
Bill Clinton (D-AK)/Al Gore (D-TN) 510,061 36.1%
George H. W. Bush (R-TX)/Dan Quayle (R-IN) 505,502 35.8%
Ross Perot (I-TX)/James Stockdale (I-CA) 398,363 28.2%

North Dakota
George H. W. Bush (R-TX)/Dan Quayle (R-IN) 96,402 37.1%
Bill Clinton (D-AK)/Al Gore (D-TN) 91,429 35.2%
Ross Perot (I-TX)/James Stockdale (I-CA) 71,835 27.7%

Oklahoma
George H. W. Bush (R-TX)/Dan Quayle (R-IN) 468,780 36.2%
Bill Clinton (D-AK)/Al Gore (D-TN) 455,060 35.1%
Ross Perot (I-TX)/James Stockdale (I-CA) 372,451 28.7%

Missouri
Ross Perot (I-TX)/James Stockdale (I-CA) 747,554 34.9%
Bill Clinton (D-AK)/Al Gore (D-TN) 725,204 33.8%
George H. W. Bush (R-TX)/Dan Quayle (R-IN) 670,863 31.3%

Florida
Bill Clinton (D-AK)/Al Gore (D-TN) 2,009,335 36%
George H. W. Bush (R-TX)/Dan Quayle (R-IN) 1,928,501 34.6%
Ross Perot (I-TX)/James Stockdale (I-CA) 1,636,075 29.4%

Pennsylvania
George H. W. Bush (R-TX)/Dan Quayle (R-IN) 1,769,662 36.1%
Bill Clinton (D-AK)/Al Gore (D-TN) 1,732,791 35.4%
Ross Perot (I-TX)/James Stockdale (I-CA) 1,393,507 28.5%

New Hampshire
George H. W. Bush (R-TX)/Dan Quayle (R-IN) 167,137 36.4%
Bill Clinton (D-AK)/Al Gore (D-TN) 153,375 33.4%
Ross Perot (I-TX)/James Stockdale (I-CA) 138,765 30.2%
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« Reply #1812 on: August 02, 2009, 04:47:11 PM »



David Coppersmith (I-NC) / Sarah Palin (I-AK) : 40% (271)

John McCain (R-AZ) / Colin Powell (R-NY) : 39% (145)
Barack Obama (D-IL) / John Edwards (D-NC) : 21% (122)
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« Reply #1813 on: August 02, 2009, 09:50:23 PM »

I am not even going to explain this. I played as Reagan, and destroyed Carter in the 1980 election. I was happy until I saw the map of the Obama Victory above. Only Minnesota could possibly have changed hands, but even that never returned to Carter after the first five minutes of ballot counting.



Light Colored States were within 2% of the runner-up.

Ronald Reagan (R-CA)/George H. W. Bush (R-TX) 50,479,987 62% / 535 Electoral
Jimmy Carter (D-GA)/Walter Mondale (D-MN) 30,934,943 38% / 3 Electoral
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« Reply #1814 on: August 02, 2009, 10:07:15 PM »
« Edited: August 02, 2009, 10:09:26 PM by Midwest Lt. Governor Vepres »

2008 Wonk Edition

I ran myself to see what would happen. I glided to the GOP nomination. Despite losing tons of momentum during the the financial meltdown in September and October, I was still able to get a respectable loss.



Light states were won by less than a 5% margin.

Obama: 67,089,276     52%      329 EVs
Morton: 61,931,018     48%      209 Evs

My lack of appeal with evangelicals hurt me in the south. I basically spent the whole general election behind, and a lot of my time was spent trying to hold the southern states. I failed in a few, Kentucky and Louisiana, and Mississippi and Alabama were won by <1%. I was surprisingly strong in the more urbanized southern states.  Washington and Oregon were swing states the whole time which was odd.
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« Reply #1815 on: August 03, 2009, 06:35:31 PM »

Played as Carter starting in the general election. To be honest, I thought this was going to be difficult, since I was already starting behind in the polls by a significant margin, and Reagan had a high levels in all his stats. Somehow, in some freak accident, or the liberals took over the Republican Party, the RNC endorsed me instead of Reagan. I hadn't been courting them, but the media campaign I was running in order to win the other endorsements might have had something to do with it. Anyway, the campaign was just a simple shrinking of Reagan's base, until he was left with only the West. Even there, it was quite divided. The only state that came close to Reagan east of the Mississippi was New Hampshire.



Light Colored states were within 2% of the runner-up.

Jimmy Carter (D-GA)/Walter Mondale (D-MN) 45,275,316 55.7% / 514 Electoral
Ronald Reagan (R-CA)/George H. W. Bush (R-TX) 36,062,458 44.3% / 24 Electoral

Close States

Nevada
Ronald Reagan (R-CA)/George H. W. Bush (R-TX) 137,082 50.1%
Jimmy Carter (D-GA)/Walter Mondale (D-MN) 136,740 49.9%

North Dakota
Ronald Reagan (R-CA)/George H. W. Bush (R-TX) 115,786 50.2%
Jimmy Carter (D-GA)/Walter Mondale (D-MN) 114,680 49.8%

Idaho
Jimmy Carter (D-GA)/Walter Mondale (D-MN) 154,439 50.1%
Ronald Reagan (R-CA)/George H. W. Bush (R-TX) 153,684 49.9%

New Mexico
Jimmy Carter (D-GA)/Walter Mondale (D-MN) 213,263 51.1%
Ronald Reagan (R-CA)/George H. W. Bush (R-TX) 204,378 48.9%

New Hampshire
Jimmy Carter (D-GA)/Walter Mondale (D-MN) 155,832 51.7%
Ronald Reagan (R-CA)/George H. W. Bush (R-TX) 145,730 48.3%
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« Reply #1816 on: August 03, 2009, 09:56:58 PM »

I'm still trying to beat Carter in the primaries in 1980 with Kennedy on hard mode. Very hard. I can only image what the general election would be like after the bruising primary.
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« Reply #1817 on: August 04, 2009, 10:56:57 AM »

In my experience, Carter's virtually unbeatable in the primaries because of the Iran thing.

I know, I've been trying. I'm sure it's possible though.
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« Reply #1818 on: August 04, 2009, 11:44:30 AM »

In my experience, Carter's virtually unbeatable in the primaries because of the Iran thing.

I know, I've been trying. I'm sure it's possible though.

You could nominate God.
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« Reply #1819 on: August 04, 2009, 11:00:12 PM »

Red: Romney
Blue: Clinton
Gold: Gravel

The election had to go to the House.  Romney had more electoral votes, but Clinton had more popular votes, and since the House is dominated by the Democrats, Clinton becomes President.

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« Reply #1820 on: August 04, 2009, 11:39:32 PM »

Red: Romney
Blue: Clinton
Gold: Gravel

The election had to go to the House.  Romney had more electoral votes, but Clinton had more popular votes, and since the House is dominated by the Democrats, Clinton becomes President.



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« Reply #1821 on: August 05, 2009, 05:27:37 PM »



David Coppersmith (R) : 35.34%
(Blue, me)
Mike Bloomberg (I) : 34.77% (green)
David Paterson (D) : 29.89% (red)


played my friend's President forever at his house. He made his own 2010 Governor of NY scenario.

Really, don't ask what happened, WTF at queens....I won queens...
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« Reply #1822 on: August 05, 2009, 06:50:22 PM »

In the primaries, playing as Libertarian Gravel I can never beat Phillies (I added a bunch of candidates). 
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« Reply #1823 on: August 05, 2009, 10:02:27 PM »



David Coppersmith (R) : 35.34%
(Blue, me)
Mike Bloomberg (I) : 34.77% (green)
David Paterson (D) : 29.89% (red)


played my friend's President forever at his house. He made his own 2010 Governor of NY scenario.

Really, don't ask what happened, WTF at queens....I won queens...

TBH, I doubt it's hard to win playing as yourself, a candidate created by, well, you.

I'd be proud Oakvale, thats probably the nicest thing someone has ever said to him.
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« Reply #1824 on: August 06, 2009, 05:39:38 AM »



David Coppersmith (R) : 35.34%
(Blue, me)
Mike Bloomberg (I) : 34.77% (green)
David Paterson (D) : 29.89% (red)


played my friend's President forever at his house. He made his own 2010 Governor of NY scenario.

Really, don't ask what happened, WTF at queens....I won queens...

Didn't know there were gubernatorial P4E versions.
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