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Antonio the Sixth
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« on: March 22, 2009, 05:55:38 AM »
« edited: March 22, 2009, 06:02:00 AM by Antonio V »

Very good maps, nclib ! Wink
The 1992-2008 and 1996-2008 maps are a bit falsed by the Perot candidacy.
Anyways, the two others are very interesting : we can see how much the democratic trend is generalized countrywide, whereas  republican tred is concentrated in the South. That's a formidable advantage for democrats : the dramatic 2000 situation ( structural enormous disadvantage ) is now reversed.
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2009, 02:07:27 PM »

One way of looking at the map is to split states according to what  sorts of candidates they can vote for, at least since 1988:



Red -- Vote indiscriminately for Democrats, at least since 1992. Only a very strong conservative Republican, one with a nationwide appeal, has a chance to win any of these states. This is a very strict standard; I exclude Wisconsin because it nearly went to Dubya in 2004.

Could it be that conservative Republicans can no longer win these states in statewide elections?

Green -- These states can vote for a southern, moderate, rural Democratic populist like LBJ, Carter (1976), or Clinton, but probably not for a northern or western liberal. Does the southern moderate rural Democratic politician really exist? None will be available until at least 2016. Obama and Kerry got clobbered in these states. Obama wins any of these states only in an electoral blowout

Yellow -- Genuine swing states that have vulnerabilities for Democrats or Republicans who miss something. They have all voted at least once for a Democratic candidate for President since 1988 (which may include Obama); even if they didn't vote for Obama they were reasonably close. I include Arizona, which Obama would probably have won except that the Republican nominee was from there. This now includes Indiana and North Carolina, both of which voted -- barely -- for Obama and for the first time for any Democratic nominee for President since 1964 or 1976.  Except in an electoral blowout, no candidate can ever win all of these states. None of these states are in the South.

Blue -- These states seem to indiscriminately vote Republican.  The most likely ones among these to flip to Obama are the Dakotas.

Ah, you really love this sort of maps ! Cheesy

Anyways, good analysis.
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2009, 02:44:57 AM »

Here's another one: 1976-2008:



Red --      voted for Carter and Obama   (180)   

Blue --     voted for Ford and McCain        (51)

Green --  voted for Carter and McCain    (122) 

Yellow --  voted for Ford and Obama      (165)   

Talk about a flip of voting! Carter's 1976 showed how heavily the Democratic Party depended upon the South.

Talk about a flip!
You're right, it "depended" upon the South for a simple reason : Carter was a southerner moderate ( right-wing of the Dem ) and Ford was a northern moderate ( left-wing of the GOP ). Today, GOP is dominated by conservatives, and even a maverick like McCain can not win without the ultraconservatives. And with Obama, the Dem chose a progressive northerner, who easily won with a massive support of northern states.
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2009, 01:46:54 AM »

I'm not quite sure how dear old LBJ can be considered a "moderate" in relation to later Democratic candidates...
You're right. But it was another time, USA in general and Texas in particular were more progressive. Now a candidate with the same ideas than Johnson would be defeated by 20 points in Texas.
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2009, 09:13:56 AM »

     The movement towards the GOP in Iowa between 1988 & 2008 is interesting given that McCain lost pretty badly while Bush won decisively.
The result of the 1988 election in Iowa is very strange compared to other years. I opened a topic about that.
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Posts: 58,085
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2010, 11:30:51 AM »

I'm gonna bump this too, those maps were really great.
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Posts: 58,085
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2010, 01:29:03 PM »

1952 was a rep+11 election, 1956 was rep+15, whereas 2008 was dem+7, so this comparison isn't very meaningful.
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Posts: 58,085
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2010, 05:39:10 AM »
« Edited: August 20, 2010, 05:43:37 AM by Antonio V »

1952 was a rep+11 election, 1956 was rep+15, whereas 2008 was dem+7, so this comparison isn't very meaningful.

It is hugely meaningful -- if one figures that many states that used to be reliably Republican are now reliably Democratic, and vice-versa. Isn't it remarkable that Obama won only one state that the Democrat won in either 1952 or 1956 (North Carolina), and that one barely!

You don't understand. The fact democrats won North Carolina in 2008 doesn't mean North Carolina was a democratic state in 2008. And the fact Republicans won RI in 1952 doesn't mean it was a republican State.
If you are looking for a 1952-2008 comparison that makes sense, you should look at elections as if they were ties. That means every State won by Eisenhower below the national margin should be seen as a Stevenson state, and everyone won by Obama below a national margin as McCain States. In this case, your map becomes :



Stevenson/Obama (72)
Eisenhower/Obama (199)
Stevenson/McCain (171)
Eisenhower/McCain (86)
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Posts: 58,085
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2010, 05:56:21 AM »

And the same for 1956 :



Stevenson/Obama (124)
Eisenhower/Obama (147)
Stevenson/McCain (174)
Eisenhower/McCain (83)
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