Senator Mark Kirk?
       |           

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
June 16, 2024, 04:37:31 PM
News: Election Simulator 2.0 Released. Senate/Gubernatorial maps, proportional electoral votes, and more - Read more

  Talk Elections
  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion
  Congressional Elections (Moderators: Brittain33, GeorgiaModerate, Gass3268, Virginiá, Gracile)
  Senator Mark Kirk?
« previous next »
Pages: [1] 2
Author Topic: Senator Mark Kirk?  (Read 7919 times)
Lunar
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 30,404
Ireland, Republic of
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« on: December 09, 2008, 03:21:28 PM »

More likely now than ever.  Looks like we're going to have an election for Obama's replacement.

Kirk would be well funded, would clear the field, and have a simple platform.  The Democrats would have had a heated primary and a cloud over their heads.

That is unless the legislation treats the replacement election like a primary.
Logged
MarkWarner08
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 5,812


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2008, 04:06:12 PM »

This is why soon-to-be Gov. Pat Quinn should have appoint Obama's successor. Otherwise, Kirk, who is one of the House's most prodigious fundraisers, can run risk-free for a Senate seat. Give Jan Schakowsky two years in office and she'll be the favorite in 2010.
Logged
Lunar
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 30,404
Ireland, Republic of
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2008, 04:16:56 PM »

This is why soon-to-be Gov. Pat Quinn should have appoint Obama's successor. Otherwise, Kirk, who is one of the House's most prodigious fundraisers, can run risk-free for a Senate seat. Give Jan Schakowsky two years in office and she'll be the favorite in 2010.

He'd also get an epic amount of money from Republicans nationally, smelling blood
Logged
Keystone Phil
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 52,607


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2008, 04:23:57 PM »

No, no, no. I have my eye on Mike Ditka running.  Wink

Hey, he owes us from four years ago. We could have at least tried to prevent all of this.
Logged
Torie
Moderators
Atlas Legend
*****
Posts: 46,108
Ukraine


Political Matrix
E: -3.48, S: -4.70

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2008, 05:07:45 PM »

No, no, no. I have my eye on Mike Ditka running.  Wink

Hey, he owes us from four years ago. We could have at least tried to prevent all of this.

Ya, he would have about as much chance as Toomey in PA to grab a seat. Tongue
Logged
Mr. Morden
Atlas Legend
*****
Posts: 44,066
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2008, 05:18:59 PM »

This is why soon-to-be Gov. Pat Quinn should have appoint Obama's successor. Otherwise, Kirk, who is one of the House's most prodigious fundraisers, can run risk-free for a Senate seat. Give Jan Schakowsky two years in office and she'll be the favorite in 2010.

But suppose Blago refuses to resign.  How long will it take for the legislature to go through with the impeachment proceedings?  A month?  Two months?  There's nothing to stop Blago from appointing someone to the seat in the interim (as a final f you to all other concerned parties).

OTOH, I guess passing a law for a special election would also take some time, as you'd have to submit it to the governor to sign or veto.  Even if you're prepared to override the veto, the governor doesn't have to act on it immediately.

Logged
Small Business Owner of Any Repute
Mr. Moderate
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 13,431
United States


WWW Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2008, 05:21:42 PM »

No, no, no. I have my eye on Mike Ditka running.  Wink

Hey, he owes us from four years ago. We could have at least tried to prevent all of this.

Ridiculous on an infinite number of levels.
Logged
Keystone Phil
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 52,607


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2008, 05:37:12 PM »

No, no, no. I have my eye on Mike Ditka running.  Wink

Hey, he owes us from four years ago. We could have at least tried to prevent all of this.

Ya, he would have about as much chance as Toomey in PA to grab a seat. Tongue

Uh, no. Not exactly.  Tongue
Logged
Lunar
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 30,404
Ireland, Republic of
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2008, 06:02:57 PM »

Remember too that Kirk would not have to retire to run for this.


Logged
Kevin
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 5,424
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #9 on: December 09, 2008, 06:23:26 PM »

No, no, no. I have my eye on Mike Ditka running.  Wink

Hey, he owes us from four years ago. We could have at least tried to prevent all of this.

The problem with Ditka is that he is too old, too conservative and too angry to win espeically in Illinois.

Mark Kirk at least would have a better shot. 
Logged
Small Business Owner of Any Repute
Mr. Moderate
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 13,431
United States


WWW Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #10 on: December 09, 2008, 06:31:15 PM »

No, no, no. I have my eye on Mike Ditka running.  Wink

Hey, he owes us from four years ago. We could have at least tried to prevent all of this.

The problem with Ditka is that he is too old, too conservative and too angry to win espeically in Illinois.

Mark Kirk at least would have a better shot. 

Added bonus: Mark Kirk is not a ridiculous, unqualified candidate.
Logged
muon2
Moderators
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 16,825


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #11 on: December 09, 2008, 07:14:24 PM »

This is why soon-to-be Gov. Pat Quinn should have appoint Obama's successor. Otherwise, Kirk, who is one of the House's most prodigious fundraisers, can run risk-free for a Senate seat. Give Jan Schakowsky two years in office and she'll be the favorite in 2010.

But suppose Blago refuses to resign.  How long will it take for the legislature to go through with the impeachment proceedings?  A month?  Two months?  There's nothing to stop Blago from appointing someone to the seat in the interim (as a final f you to all other concerned parties).

OTOH, I guess passing a law for a special election would also take some time, as you'd have to submit it to the governor to sign or veto.  Even if you're prepared to override the veto, the governor doesn't have to act on it immediately.



Would the US Senate be willing to seat anyone appointed by Blago? If not, the process doesn't need to be so immediate to be effective.
Logged
I spent the winter writing songs about getting better
BRTD
Atlas Prophet
*****
Posts: 113,570
Ukraine


Political Matrix
E: -6.50, S: -6.67

P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #12 on: December 09, 2008, 07:34:31 PM »

Does Phil still believe Ditka would've beaten Obama in 2004? LOL.
Logged
Mr. Morden
Atlas Legend
*****
Posts: 44,066
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #13 on: December 09, 2008, 07:42:17 PM »

This is why soon-to-be Gov. Pat Quinn should have appoint Obama's successor. Otherwise, Kirk, who is one of the House's most prodigious fundraisers, can run risk-free for a Senate seat. Give Jan Schakowsky two years in office and she'll be the favorite in 2010.

But suppose Blago refuses to resign.  How long will it take for the legislature to go through with the impeachment proceedings?  A month?  Two months?  There's nothing to stop Blago from appointing someone to the seat in the interim (as a final f you to all other concerned parties).

OTOH, I guess passing a law for a special election would also take some time, as you'd have to submit it to the governor to sign or veto.  Even if you're prepared to override the veto, the governor doesn't have to act on it immediately.



Would the US Senate be willing to seat anyone appointed by Blago? If not, the process doesn't need to be so immediate to be effective.

Good point.  I assume that there are no legal complications with the Senate refusing to seat a new member?  They can just say "We won't accept anyone appointed by Blago", and that's that?

Logged
Holmes
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 13,795
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -6.45, S: -5.74

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #14 on: December 09, 2008, 08:08:41 PM »

If he gives up his seat for this, his seat could become a probable democrat pickup... maybe.

He looks so young for a 49 year old.
Logged
Keystone Phil
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 52,607


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2008, 09:52:51 PM »

Does Phil still believe Ditka would've beaten Obama in 2004? LOL.

I said he would have at least been competitive. Time to take your head our of your ass if you seriously think otherwise.
Logged
I spent the winter writing songs about getting better
BRTD
Atlas Prophet
*****
Posts: 113,570
Ukraine


Political Matrix
E: -6.50, S: -6.67

P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #16 on: December 09, 2008, 09:56:58 PM »

Does Phil still believe Ditka would've beaten Obama in 2004? LOL.

I said he would have at least been competitive. Time to take your head our of your ass if you seriously think otherwise.

Are you defining competitive as "losing only by high single digits instead of >40 points"?
Logged
Keystone Phil
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 52,607


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #17 on: December 09, 2008, 09:59:11 PM »

Does Phil still believe Ditka would've beaten Obama in 2004? LOL.

I said he would have at least been competitive. Time to take your head our of your ass if you seriously think otherwise.

Are you defining competitive as "losing only by high single digits instead of >40 points"?

I'd consider that a huge victory in Illinois in that year so, yes, that's competitive to me. Obama wouldn't have been criss crossing the country for every Democratic candidate under the sun if Ditka was his opponent. The Obama glow would have worn off quite a bit.
Logged
I spent the winter writing songs about getting better
BRTD
Atlas Prophet
*****
Posts: 113,570
Ukraine


Political Matrix
E: -6.50, S: -6.67

P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #18 on: December 09, 2008, 10:04:31 PM »

Obama's DNC speech would be enough to put him into the limelight and get the recognition he needed.
Logged
Keystone Phil
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 52,607


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #19 on: December 09, 2008, 10:06:08 PM »

Obama's DNC speech would be enough to put him into the limelight and get the recognition he needed.

Sure but not to the extent he received after we decided to bring in the worst sacrificial lamb in party history. He wouldn't have been instantly beloved.
Logged
Lunar
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 30,404
Ireland, Republic of
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #20 on: December 10, 2008, 02:01:50 PM »

ok, ignoring all this silliness of Obama losing in '04...


Kirk says he's down to run:
http://www.rollcall.com/news/30735-1.html
Logged
Stranger in a strange land
strangeland
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 10,217
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #21 on: December 10, 2008, 02:05:57 PM »

This is why soon-to-be Gov. Pat Quinn should have appoint Obama's successor. Otherwise, Kirk, who is one of the House's most prodigious fundraisers, can run risk-free for a Senate seat. Give Jan Schakowsky two years in office and she'll be the favorite in 2010.

But suppose Blago refuses to resign.  How long will it take for the legislature to go through with the impeachment proceedings?  A month?  Two months?  There's nothing to stop Blago from appointing someone to the seat in the interim (as a final f you to all other concerned parties).

OTOH, I guess passing a law for a special election would also take some time, as you'd have to submit it to the governor to sign or veto.  Even if you're prepared to override the veto, the governor doesn't have to act on it immediately.



Would the US Senate be willing to seat anyone appointed by Blago? If not, the process doesn't need to be so immediate to be effective.

Good point.  I assume that there are no legal complications with the Senate refusing to seat a new member?  They can just say "We won't accept anyone appointed by Blago", and that's that?



the senate can, at least in theory, refuse to seat anyone, and they would almost definately refuse to seat somebody appointed by Blagojevich, especially since there would be the strong suspicion that this person would have gotten their seat through underhanded means.
Logged
Brittain33
brittain33
Moderator
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 22,083


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #22 on: December 10, 2008, 02:17:05 PM »

Does Phil still believe Ditka would've beaten Obama in 2004? LOL.

I said he would have at least been competitive. Time to take your head our of your ass if you seriously think otherwise.

It wouldn't have been competitive because Ditka's best day would have been the day he announced. He wasn't prepared to appear senatorial, and given how bad the Republican base vote in Illinois is (even in 2004), he would have gone down in flames only marginally cooler than those that consumed Keyes.
Logged
Keystone Phil
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 52,607


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #23 on: December 10, 2008, 04:50:43 PM »

ok, ignoring all this silliness of Obama losing in '04...

Roll Eyes

I never said that but I'll just ignore, for here on out, your typical dishonest commentary.

Does Phil still believe Ditka would've beaten Obama in 2004? LOL.

I said he would have at least been competitive. Time to take your head our of your ass if you seriously think otherwise.

It wouldn't have been competitive because Ditka's best day would have been the day he announced. He wasn't prepared to appear senatorial, and given how bad the Republican base vote in Illinois is (even in 2004), he would have gone down in flames only marginally cooler than those that consumed Keyes.

Bush received 45% of the vote in IL in 2004. I hope to God that you don't think Ditka would have done much worse than that (especially since he could have received support from Kerry voters).
Logged
Lunar
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 30,404
Ireland, Republic of
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #24 on: December 10, 2008, 04:52:43 PM »

did I say it was you?  "typical dishonesty?"  you're crazy
Logged
Pages: [1] 2  
« previous next »
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Terms of Service - DMCA Agent and Policy - Privacy Policy and Cookies

Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines

Page created in 0.063 seconds with 12 queries.