Gubernatorial Amendment (Amendment at Vote)

[Torie]

aye

[Associate Justice PiT]

     Wish I could have been here sooner, but I still vote aye.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

nay

[minionofmidas]

Aye 4 (Dwtl, Andrew, Torie, PiT)
Nay 4 (Lewis, Sensei, Jas, Al)
abstain 2 (Happy, Bacon)

Paging the VP...

[Meeker]

Aye, naturally.

[Јas]

Tisk, why not...I motion to vote on the amendment again.

[DownWithTheLeft]

Tisk, why not...I motion to vote on the amendment again.

And now you see why I asked for a second vote

[Јas]

Tisk, why not...I motion to vote on the amendment again.

And now you see why I asked for a second vote

Because you knew Andrew would change his vote for some as yet unstated reason?

[CultureKing]

Tisk, why not...I motion to vote on the amendment again.

And now you see why I asked for a second vote

Because you knew Andrew would change his vote for some as yet unstated reason?

A "favor" was given.

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sorry, I couldn't resist, I'll leave now.

[DownWithTheLeft]

Tisk, why not...I motion to vote on the amendment again.

And now you see why I asked for a second vote

Because you knew Andrew would change his vote for some as yet unstated reason?

No, actually I was counting on Happy swing to a "Aye" vote, but it worked out the same

[Bacon King]

lol, keep this up guys and I might have to not vote abstain


But really, this Gubernatorial amendment I don't really approve of. I'll probably be voting aye just to give the people a say, but I guess I don't see the point in taking sides on internal amendments here to something I don't like to begin with.

[AndrewTX]

Tisk, why not...I motion to vote on the amendment again.

And now you see why I asked for a second vote

Because you knew Andrew would change his vote for some as yet unstated reason?

I believe its previously been stated that I'm a flip flopper, thank you very much

[DownWithTheLeft]

I'd say there is no way this bill passes at this point, a slim chance if it reaches the next senate by otherwise no way.

[SPC]

I'd say there is no way this bill passes at this point, a slim chance if it reaches the next senate by otherwise no way.

Wait, I thought you amended it to get rid of the part that abolished regional senate seats?

[DownWithTheLeft]

I'd say there is no way this bill passes at this point, a slim chance if it reaches the next senate by otherwise no way.

Wait, I thought you amended it to get rid of the part that abolished regional senate seats?

Yeah, so it would have a hard time passing this senate.  The issue is really at the heart here, and this senate does not have 6 votes to pass it, and it would be hard in the next senate.

[SPC]

I'd say there is no way this bill passes at this point, a slim chance if it reaches the next senate by otherwise no way.

Wait, I thought you amended it to get rid of the part that abolished regional senate seats?

Yeah, so it would have a hard time passing this senate.  The issue is really at the heart here, and this senate does not have 6 votes to pass it, and it would be hard in the next senate.

The bill would already have at least 3 supporters in the next Senate. BaconKing wishes to vote against it, and I doubt Lewis or Al would vote for it. That means we would have to convince Lief, Torie, Andrew, and Happy to vote for the amendment for it to pass.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     Bacon King will likely vote for it on principle.

[Јas]

The Council is make-work for Governors and a power-grab by regionalists.

At present the construction of the legislature is half directly elected by the people, half elected from the regions.

Adding the Council moves this line to ³/₄ from the regions.

The Lewis/Jas amendment maintains the balance and is a reasonable compromise which can pass.

[DownWithTheLeft]

The Lewis/Jas amendment maintains the balance and is a reasonable compromise which can pass.

Wrong answer

[Associate Justice PiT]

     The proposed legislative power of the Governors is far inferior to that of Senators.

[SPC]

The Council is make-work for Governors and a power-grab by regionalists.

At present the construction of the legislature is half directly elected by the people, half elected from the regions.

Adding the Council moves this line to ³/₄ from the regions.

The Lewis/Jas amendment maintains the balance and is a reasonable compromise which can pass.

If this passes, then the Council is meaningless. We might as well just stick with the current system, if this is how the amendment will be done.

[Lief 🗽]

I don't see how the Council of Governors is meaningless at all, as it can essentially veto legislation. At the moment, the five regional Senators really don't act as regional senators, as far as I can tell. They, like the nationwide senators, have national profiles and vote based on their own political preferences, rather than the specific issues relating to their regions. The CoG would be an institution concerned solely with the impact of legislation on the regions; for you regionalists, I don't see how the CoG can be any better. The bill, with the Lewis/Jas amendment, retains the power balance between federal government and regions. Yes, they lose their (rather weak) power in the Senate, but instead gain a powerful check and balance on the federal government. I support it as a compromise, but I also support it because I am someone who thinks that strong regions and a strong federal government are both essential to the current incarnation of the game running well.

[SPC]

I don't see how the Council of Governors is meaningless at all, as it can essentially veto legislation. At the moment, the five regional Senators really don't act as regional senators, as far as I can tell. They, like the nationwide senators, have national profiles and vote based on their own political preferences, rather than the specific issues relating to their regions. The CoG would be an institution concerned solely with the impact of legislation on the regions; for you regionalists, I don't see how the CoG can be any better. The bill, with the Lewis/Jas amendment, retains the power balance between federal government and regions. Yes, they lose their (rather weak) power in the Senate, but instead gain a powerful check and balance on the federal government. I support it as a compromise, but I also support it because I am someone who thinks that strong regions and a strong federal government are both essential to the current incarnation of the game running well.

I would find an acceptable compromise to be one where regional senate seats are kept, but an extra class of at-large senate seats are added in, in addition to the Council of Governors. To abolish regional senate seats altogether is unacceptable.

[minionofmidas]

Effectively, we're introducing regional legislative seats, not abolishing any, as there effectively aren't any right now.

Oh yeah, the vote is on Jas' amendment.

Although I'm starting to doubt this thing will ever go to a final vote right now... nevermind a popular vote. Meh, I set a bad precedent when I allowed that revote. I'd done it before, but that was when there were, like, three votes cast, not 7.

Meh, aye.

[DownWithTheLeft]

Nay, regional senate seats will go nowhere until I am long gone from this game