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« on: September 17, 2004, 05:44:54 PM »

I'd say the Dakotas.
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« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2004, 09:19:12 PM »

There are lots of similar states that neighbor each other.

Massachusetts and Rhode Island come to mind.  As do the Dakotas.  Kansas and Nebraska, as well as Alabama and Mississippi, also come to mind.

I don't think Massachusetts and Connecticut are that similar.  Connecticut is still a bit more conservative than Massachusetts.
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« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2004, 05:54:18 AM »

My first thought was South Dakota-Nebraska, but Kansas-Nebraska is close enough.

I must say the Utah Idaho compairison is interesting. I mean they are both conservative, but in very different ways. I mean, I've heard LatterDay Saints called a lot of things, but never heard them compaired to Aryan Nations.

Humorous note: when I was searching google to recall the name "Aryan Nation" I can across this:


Man, I wish I could breath fire that turns into a miniature A-bomb! AN just makes me think Jews are even cooler! Grin

Note to self: Find many uses for this image...
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« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2004, 12:23:06 PM »

I voted UT/ID, though NE/KS and SD/NE are good choices as well.  Mississippi and Alabama are also pretty similar, though MS has a much higher poverty rate, African-American %, and legalized gambling.
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« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2004, 12:36:10 PM »

I said NE and KS because I don't know enough about AL and MS.  Those are the only two Southern states I have never been through (unless you count Delaware).  MA is more blue collar and a little more Catholic than CT; CT is more New Yorkish.
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« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2004, 12:43:23 PM »

The Dakotas.  Both interstingly have all-Democratic congressional delegations.
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« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2004, 12:45:04 PM »

And were split into two originally to create two all-Republican delegations.
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« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2004, 12:27:43 AM »

So...are you saying you think the Aryan Nations basically rule Idaho?

No, but I know people that won't go near there in fear of racists. The point is that without AN Idaho becomes less conservative, likewise without the LDS Utah becomes less conservative.
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« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2004, 01:41:32 AM »
« Edited: September 19, 2004, 01:42:23 AM by Jesus »

Aryan Nations and the racists really make up a small percent of Idaho's population and the vast majority of Idahoans (or whwatever) do not share their views even though its a very white state. Its too bad they've ruined Idaho's reputation.

I believe the AN headquarters is in Pennsylvania now. And Butler died like a week ago.

I can't help but wonder when AN will do something violent and stupid too. Seattle will probably get it too, since its the closest   place with some blacks and asians and gays, etc.

And, I think WA and OR are very similar too. Liberal environmentalist Western part of the state with the major city of about 550,000 people, and the conservative drier Eastern part. They vote similary too.
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« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2004, 01:51:40 AM »



And, I think WA and OR are very similar too. Liberal environmentalist Western part of the state with the major city of about 550,000 people, and the conservative drier Eastern part. They vote similary too.

I couldn't agree more.  When was the last time they split the ticket on a presidential election?

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« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2004, 02:37:36 AM »

Aryan Nations and the racists really make up a small percent of Idaho's population and the vast majority of Idahoans (or whwatever) do not share their views even though its a very white state. Its too bad they've ruined Idaho's reputation.

I believe the AN headquarters is in Pennsylvania now. And Butler died like a week ago.

I can't help but wonder when AN will do something violent and stupid too. Seattle will probably get it too, since its the closest   place with some blacks and asians and gays, etc.

And, I think WA and OR are very similar too. Liberal environmentalist Western part of the state with the major city of about 550,000 people, and the conservative drier Eastern part. They vote similary too.

As I understood it the northern portion (is this considered a panhandle?) is/was quite racist. I really have no problem going there if I have a reason to go, but there were people where I used to work that said they wouldn't go to the state no matter what (one woman that said this is very light skinned too. I didn't even know she considered herself black... boy, what a conversation that was).

totally agree with the WA-OR comparison.
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« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2004, 10:20:12 AM »
« Edited: September 19, 2004, 10:22:40 AM by Gustaf »

I think the last time was in the 40s.

EDIT: In fact it was 1968, when Washington voted for Humphrey. But before that it was 1948 when Oregon voted for Dewey.
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« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2004, 02:46:18 PM »

Dakotas. But Alabama/Missisippi or Massachusetts/Rhone Island seem to be good choices too.
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« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2004, 02:01:56 AM »

So...are you saying you think the Aryan Nations basically rule Idaho?

No, but I know people that won't go near there in fear of racists. The point is that without AN Idaho becomes less conservative, likewise without the LDS Utah becomes less conservative.

That is so much bs I can't believe it.  Did you know that the Aryan Nations was kicked out of Idaho?

I only found that out after looking it up because of this topic.
It's not bs, 2 of my former coworkers actually won't go to your state because they are black, and a white former coworker said she didn't like it there because of the racism. It may be true that Idaho is less racist now that AN is officially gone, but that doesn't mean people fear that element of the state any less.

And the AN in PA is being called a splinter group with the same name.

Also, I didn't mean to compare the sheer numbers of LDS in Utah to the numbers of AN members in Idaho.

http://npr.streamsage.com/google/programlist/feature.php?wfid=3915321
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« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2004, 10:13:25 PM »

Based on their voting record for President, the following states have been together for 10 elections or more

Since 1844 (38 times)    In 1840, Mississippi went for Harrison, Alabama for Van Buren.  Neither voted in 1864, and Mississippi didn't vote in 1868.  Alabama for Byrd in 1960 based on electoral vote majority.

1900 (26)   In 1896, North Dakota (McKinley) and Kansas (Bryan).

1912 (23)   In 1908, KS and ND (Taft) and Nebraska (Bryan)

1916 (22)  In 1912, Idaho (Wilson) and Utah (Taft)

1916 (22)  In 1912, Indiana (Wilson) and South Dakota (Roosevelt)

1920 (21)  In 1916, KS, NE, and ND (Wilson) and IN and SD (Hughes)

1920 (21)  In 1916, New Mexico (Wilson) and Illinois (Hughes)

1924 (20)  In 1920, Oklahoma (Harding) and Virginia (Cox)

1928 (19)  In 1924, ID and UT (Coolidge) and OK and VA (Davis)

1944 (15)  In 1940, Connecticut (Roosevelt) and Michigan (Wilkie)

1948 (14)  In 1944, ID, OK, VA, and UT (Roosevelt) and Wyoming (Dewey)

1948 (14)  In 1944, Montana (Roosevelt) and Colorado (Dewey)

1948 (14)  In 1944, Tennessee (Roosevelt) and Ohio (Dewey)

1952 (13)  In 1948, ID, OK, VA, UT, WY (Truman) and IN, KS, NE, ND, SD (Dewey)

1952 (13)  In 1948, IL and NM (Truman) and New Jersey (Dewey)

1952 (13)  In 1948, California (Truman) and Vermont (Dewey)

1952 (13)  In 1948, Iowa (Truman) and Oregon (Dewey)

1956 (12)  In 1952, TN and OH (Eisenhower) and Kentucky (Stevenson)

1960 (11)  Alaska (first election) and ID, IN, KS, NE, ND, OK, SD, VA, UT, WY

1960 (11)  Hawaii (first election) and Rhode Island

1964 (10)  In 1960, NM, NJ, and IL (Kennedy) and CA and VT (Nixon)

1964 (10)  In 1960, Missouri (Kennedy) & KY, OH, and TN (Nixon)

1964 (10)  In 1960, CT and MI (Kennedy) and Maine (Nixon)

1964 (10)  In 1960, Nevada (Kennedy) and New Hampshire (Nixon)

The Longest Streak for States with Fewer than 10 Elections Together (state name spelled out if longest streak)

1968 (9)  In 1964, North Carolina (Johnson) and South Carolina (Goldwater)

1968 (9)  In 1964, Arkansas (Johnson) and Louisiana (Goldwater)

1972 (Cool  In 1968, NC, SC (Nixon) and Texas (Humphrey) and AL, MS (Wallace)

1972 (Cool  In 1968, Delaware (Nixon) and Pennsylvania (Humphrey)

1972 (Cool  In 1968, Wisconsin (Nixon) and New York (Humphrey)

1972 (Cool  In 1968, IA, OR (Nixon) and Washington (Humphrey)

1976 (7)  In 1972, Minnesota (Nixon) and District of Columbia (McGovern)

1976 (7)  In 1972, NY, WI (Nixon) and Massachusetts (McGovern)

1980 (6)  In 1976, Florida (Carter) and Arizona (Ford)

1984 (5)  In 1980. CO, MT (Reagan) and Georgia (Carter)

1984 (5)  In 1980. CA, CT, DE, IL, ME, MI, NJ, NM, PA, VT (Reagan) and Maryland (Carter)

1992 (3)  In 1988 AR, LA (Bush) and West Virginia (Dukakis)

Split Apart In 2000

Been Together Since 1912  (22) Nevada and New Mexico (since New Mexico statehood)

1920 (20)  Nevada and Illinois
1948 (13)  New Hampshire and Vermont
1952 (12)  Nevada and New Jersey
1952 (12)  New Hampshire and California
1956 (11)  West Virginia and Rhode Island
1960 (10)  West Virginia and Hawaii (since Hawaii statehood)
1960 (10)  Missouri and Delaware (had both picked
winner since 1960)
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« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2004, 06:22:03 PM »

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« Reply #16 on: October 06, 2004, 12:40:09 AM »

Based on their voting record for President, the following states have been together for 10 elections or more


Split Apart In 2000

1948 (13)  New Hampshire and Vermont


That one really suprised me.
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« Reply #17 on: October 06, 2004, 01:22:33 AM »

Based on their voting record for President, the following states have been together for 10 elections or more

Split Apart In 2000

1948 (13)  New Hampshire and Vermont


That one really suprised me.
They have crossed over.  Traditionally, Vermont has been the most Republican State, while New Hampshire had some mills and ports that provided some Democrat support.   The major population concentrations are in opposite corners, Burlington on Lake Champlain, and Manchester and Nashua as part of the outward growth of Boston, while the area along their Connecticut River border is lightly populated.

The three elections from 1936-44 they were split, with NH voting for FDR while Vermont was one of the very few to vote GOP.

A curiousity is that Vermont and California have now been together since 1952, while they are 1st and 49th in population.

Also kind of interesting is that Nevada and Illinois were together from 1920-1996.  When the association began Nevada had 77,000 people, Illinois 6.5 million, with Chicago the second largest city in the country.   Gambling flourished in both places.
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