Palin and the fruit fly

[TheGlobalizer]

I'd vote against spending my tax dollars on fruit fly research.

Do you live in a fruit-growing area? Fruitfly can absolutely destroy an industry. The economies of Florida and California would be on the edge...

oh wait.

Well, they'd be over the edge.

I'd vote against spending my tax dollars on fruit fly research.

Umm fruit fly's are used to do genetic research, and in this case actually helped produce an enzyme that could help kids with autism . Yet Palin mocks this because she has no fukcing idea what she is talking about. I just absolutely hate this anti-intellectual schtick that she is doing. "Omgz fruit fly reasearch omgz i have no idea what I am talking about but omgz"

I'd vote against spending my tax dollars on fruit fly research.

Do you realize that a huge amount of the research into the human genome is only thanks to the fruit fly? Without research into the fruit fly's (or other similar critter to do research on) DNA we'd know at most a third of what we currently do about our own DNA.

Probably for the first time in my life, I wish I were an US citizen, just so I could vote against this stupid bitch.

I'd vote against spending my tax dollars on fruit fly research.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drosophila
But be cautious - as your intelligence level seems to be similar to Palin's, it might overstrain you.

The above quotes "bit" on my bait.

I am against funding fruit fly research because I believe such things are not an appropriate use of government funds.  Genetic research on drosophila is obviously important and valuable, but I don't agree with the government as a mechanism to perform or fund this research.

It's amusing how some folks here assume that if you're against government involvement, it must be because you simply don't understand the issue.

[Torie]

The above post would be more robust and provocative, if it made the case, that the population is getting too geriatric as it is, and using taxpayer money to expand  life spans en mass into the onanistic octogenarian realm, and beyond. can hardly be considered as a higher priority, than so many others, like figuring out how to get kids to have the opportunity to go to schools that are other than babysitting warehouses for punks.

I am not saying that I fully subscribe to the above, but what do you think?

[cinyc]

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Does someone want to tell my why my tax dollars should subsidize research in Paris, France?  Giving research grants that the French government won't give, perhaps?

But Sarah Palin's the stupid bimbo bitch here.  /sarcasm

[TheGlobalizer]

The above post would be more robust and provocative, if it made the case, that the population is getting too geriatric as it is, and using taxpayer money to expand  life spans en mass into the onanistic octogenarian realm, and beyond. can hardly be considered as a higher priority, than so many others, like figuring out how to get kids to have the opportunity to go to schools that are other than babysitting warehouses for punks.

I am not saying that I fully subscribe to the above, but what do you think?

My only point was that people are assuming a lot about "the other side" this election cycle.  I'm really annoyed beyond belief at all of this messianic BS, and the endless attempt to destroy anyone not on His side.

I could come up with about a thousand government programs more important than fruit fly research; though in my ideal world, there probably wouldn't be a thousand government programs.

[2952-0-0]

Apparently she's more interested in crab porn than genetic research.

[Sbane]

I'd vote against spending my tax dollars on fruit fly research.

Do you live in a fruit-growing area? Fruitfly can absolutely destroy an industry. The economies of Florida and California would be on the edge...

oh wait.

Well, they'd be over the edge.

I'd vote against spending my tax dollars on fruit fly research.

Umm fruit fly's are used to do genetic research, and in this case actually helped produce an enzyme that could help kids with autism . Yet Palin mocks this because she has no fukcing idea what she is talking about. I just absolutely hate this anti-intellectual schtick that she is doing. "Omgz fruit fly reasearch omgz i have no idea what I am talking about but omgz"

I'd vote against spending my tax dollars on fruit fly research.

Do you realize that a huge amount of the research into the human genome is only thanks to the fruit fly? Without research into the fruit fly's (or other similar critter to do research on) DNA we'd know at most a third of what we currently do about our own DNA.

Probably for the first time in my life, I wish I were an US citizen, just so I could vote against this stupid bitch.

I'd vote against spending my tax dollars on fruit fly research.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drosophila
But be cautious - as your intelligence level seems to be similar to Palin's, it might overstrain you.

The above quotes "bit" on my bait.

I am against funding fruit fly research because I believe such things are not an appropriate use of government funds.  Genetic research on drosophila is obviously important and valuable, but I don't agree with the government as a mechanism to perform or fund this research.

It's amusing how some folks here assume that if you're against government involvement, it must be because you simply don't understand the issue.

You would have a point if she did this out of ideology. She apparently had no problem studying crabs and seals, but I guess fruit fly research crosses the line. Also do you think she would ever ridicule government spending on studying lab rats, which is essentially what fruit flies are.

[cinyc]

You would have a point if she did this out of ideology. She apparently had no problem studying crabs and seals, but I guess fruit fly research crosses the line. Also do you think she would ever ridicule government spending on studying lab rats, which is essentially what fruit flies are.

What part of "in Paris, France" do members of this board seem to not understand?  Why should the U.S. government be funding research in foreign universities, instead of American ones?

[TheGlobalizer]

You would have a point if she did this out of ideology. She apparently had no problem studying crabs and seals, but I guess fruit fly research crosses the line. Also do you think she would ever ridicule government spending on studying lab rats, which is essentially what fruit flies are.

My point is not dependent on her.  She's certainly not the gold standard of intellectual sophistication, but I don't vote just to get the most intellectually sophisticated president I can find.

[Sbane]

You would have a point if she did this out of ideology. She apparently had no problem studying crabs and seals, but I guess fruit fly research crosses the line. Also do you think she would ever ridicule government spending on studying lab rats, which is essentially what fruit flies are.

What part of "in Paris, France" do members of this board seem to not understand?  Why should the U.S. government be funding research in foreign universities, instead of American ones?

cite? I can't believe America would spend money for research in France. If that is the case then I oppose it.

[Sbane]

You would have a point if she did this out of ideology. She apparently had no problem studying crabs and seals, but I guess fruit fly research crosses the line. Also do you think she would ever ridicule government spending on studying lab rats, which is essentially what fruit flies are.

My point is not dependent on her.  She's certainly not the gold standard of intellectual sophistication, but I don't vote just to get the most intellectually sophisticated president I can find.

You would have a point if she did this out of ideology. She apparently had no problem studying crabs and seals, but I guess fruit fly research crosses the line. Also do you think she would ever ridicule government spending on studying lab rats, which is essentially what fruit flies are.

My point is not dependent on her.  She's certainly not the gold standard of intellectual sophistication, but I don't vote just to get the most intellectually sophisticated president I can find.

Ok so you oppose this out of ideology while she does it out of ignorance. Sounds about right. Also I could care less who you vote for and why.

[cinyc]

You would have a point if she did this out of ideology. She apparently had no problem studying crabs and seals, but I guess fruit fly research crosses the line. Also do you think she would ever ridicule government spending on studying lab rats, which is essentially what fruit flies are.

What part of "in Paris, France" do members of this board seem to not understand?  Why should the U.S. government be funding research in foreign universities, instead of American ones?

cite? I can't believe America would spend money for research in France. If that is the case then I oppose it.

Please reread the Palin quote from the original post:

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[Sbane]

You would have a point if she did this out of ideology. She apparently had no problem studying crabs and seals, but I guess fruit fly research crosses the line. Also do you think she would ever ridicule government spending on studying lab rats, which is essentially what fruit flies are.

What part of "in Paris, France" do members of this board seem to not understand?  Why should the U.S. government be funding research in foreign universities, instead of American ones?

cite? I can't believe America would spend money for research in France. If that is the case then I oppose it.

Please reread the Palin quote from the original post:

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Again cite? I don't have to believe everything saint sarah says.

[2952-0-0]

Perhaps it was part of a multinational project that happened to be HQ'd in France.

[cinyc]

You would have a point if she did this out of ideology. She apparently had no problem studying crabs and seals, but I guess fruit fly research crosses the line. Also do you think she would ever ridicule government spending on studying lab rats, which is essentially what fruit flies are.

What part of "in Paris, France" do members of this board seem to not understand?  Why should the U.S. government be funding research in foreign universities, instead of American ones?

cite? I can't believe America would spend money for research in France. If that is the case then I oppose it.

Please reread the Palin quote from the original post:

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Again cite? I don't have to believe everything saint sarah says.

The cite is in the first post:
http://biochemicalsoul.com/2008/10/sarah-palin-a-blithering-idiot-that-could-destroy-science-and-medicine/

Also, EVERY left-wing blog that has reported this supposed Palin "error in judgment":
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Things+like+fruit+fly+research+in+Paris%2C+France.+I+kid+you+not%22&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=

Why are you willing to believe any supposedly bad quote attributed to Sarah Palin, but not the full quote, when reported by your own compadres on the left?

Again, why is the U.S. government earmarking research funds to France?  Giving grants the French government is unwilling to give, perhaps?

[Likely Voter]

so she isn't scientifically ignorant just pandering to nationalistic jingoism? that is better?

who cares where important research is done. We have military bases all around the world, we cant do one research project with one of our allies if that is what it takes? Does she think we should pull out of CERN too? wait dont answer that...of course she does, because the earth was built 6000 years ago and so searching the origins of the universe is evil and the devil's work

[Iosif]

You would have a point if she did this out of ideology. She apparently had no problem studying crabs and seals, but I guess fruit fly research crosses the line. Also do you think she would ever ridicule government spending on studying lab rats, which is essentially what fruit flies are.

What part of "in Paris, France" do members of this board seem to not understand?  Why should the U.S. government be funding research in foreign universities, instead of American ones?

cite? I can't believe America would spend money for research in France. If that is the case then I oppose it.

Please reread the Palin quote from the original post:

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Maybe because the French are the world's leaders in genetic research and their works benefits everybody as scientific breakthroughs aren't confined to national borders?

The issue here isn't that's she's against funding fruit fly research per se. It's that she's advocating allocating government funds to studies that help our understanding of neurodegenerative diseases yet in the same breathe is ridiculing studies that help our understanding of neurodegenerative diseases.

[Sbane]

You would have a point if she did this out of ideology. She apparently had no problem studying crabs and seals, but I guess fruit fly research crosses the line. Also do you think she would ever ridicule government spending on studying lab rats, which is essentially what fruit flies are.

What part of "in Paris, France" do members of this board seem to not understand?  Why should the U.S. government be funding research in foreign universities, instead of American ones?

cite? I can't believe America would spend money for research in France. If that is the case then I oppose it.

Please reread the Palin quote from the original post:

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Again cite? I don't have to believe everything saint sarah says.

The cite is in the first post:
http://biochemicalsoul.com/2008/10/sarah-palin-a-blithering-idiot-that-could-destroy-science-and-medicine/

Also, EVERY left-wing blog that has reported this supposed Palin "error in judgment":
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Things+like+fruit+fly+research+in+Paris%2C+France.+I+kid+you+not%22&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=

Why are you willing to believe any supposedly bad quote attributed to Sarah Palin, but not the full quote, when reported by your own compadres on the left?

Again, why is the U.S. government earmarking research funds to France?  Giving grants the French government is unwilling to give, perhaps?

I was asking for the specific grant to the research in Paris. I am sure it was a joint project between scientists of different countries and maybe the research itself was being done in Paris. Can you cite what exact grant she was talking about? Anyways she is ridiculing research on fruit flies, not that it is being held in France.

[cinyc]

You would have a point if she did this out of ideology. She apparently had no problem studying crabs and seals, but I guess fruit fly research crosses the line. Also do you think she would ever ridicule government spending on studying lab rats, which is essentially what fruit flies are.

What part of "in Paris, France" do members of this board seem to not understand?  Why should the U.S. government be funding research in foreign universities, instead of American ones?

cite? I can't believe America would spend money for research in France. If that is the case then I oppose it.

Please reread the Palin quote from the original post:

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Again cite? I don't have to believe everything saint sarah says.

The cite is in the first post:
http://biochemicalsoul.com/2008/10/sarah-palin-a-blithering-idiot-that-could-destroy-science-and-medicine/

Also, EVERY left-wing blog that has reported this supposed Palin "error in judgment":
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Things+like+fruit+fly+research+in+Paris%2C+France.+I+kid+you+not%22&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=

Why are you willing to believe any supposedly bad quote attributed to Sarah Palin, but not the full quote, when reported by your own compadres on the left?

Again, why is the U.S. government earmarking research funds to France?  Giving grants the French government is unwilling to give, perhaps?

I was asking for the specific grant to the research in Paris. I am sure it was a joint project between scientists of different countries and maybe the research itself was being done in Paris. Can you cite what exact grant she was talking about? Anyways she is ridiculing research on fruit flies, not that it is being held in France.

Let me see if I get this straight:

1) Axelrod and the liberals are astroturfing a smear on Sarah Palin all over the Internet, one in which she objects to the U.S. earmarking funds for research in a foreign country.
2) I point out that Palin's general point was about EARMARKS, and an earmark for research in a foreign country doesn't make much sense.
3) You reply - prove Palin actually said that the earmark was for research in France.  Well, the actual quote from Axelrod's astroturf campaign SAYS that.
4) Not good enough.  Then you reply - show me a link to the actual earmark.

Why should I?  This is a left-wing astroturfing attempt to smear Sarah Palin, and left-wingers keep moving the goalposts.  I don't have the time to find the link.  I'm not playing this game.

If you think earmarks are good, fine.  To me, earmarks for U.S. projects are suspect.  Earmarks for FOREIGN projects are extremely suspect, and raise a huge red flag - if the U.S. government is spending EARMARKED money on research, why shouldn't it at least be done in the U.S?  One-world "progressives" may not get this, but I think Joe Sixpack does.

[Likely Voter]

yes it is easy to rile up joe six pack with jingoistic simplistic anti science rhetoric, but that does not make it right.

Scientific research using flies is proven to be successful
Doing science with foreign partners is something that should be encouraged, to both share knowledge and costs

Sure, it is easy to say 'why spend money on flies with those smelly french,' but you know maybe that research will actually lead to something like helping with Autism. Do you really want to be part of a party that rails against science or anything related to cooperating with our allies. Are we to put up giant walls around this country, stop all research and just rely on prayer?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Wake me up when cinyc stops writing in cliches.

[Kalimantan]

cinyc read this. This is the crux of this argument.

The issue here isn't that's she's against funding fruit fly research per se. It's that she's advocating allocating government funds to studies that help our understanding of neurodegenerative diseases yet in the same breathe is ridiculing studies that help our understanding of neurodegenerative diseases.

[Sbane]

You would have a point if she did this out of ideology. She apparently had no problem studying crabs and seals, but I guess fruit fly research crosses the line. Also do you think she would ever ridicule government spending on studying lab rats, which is essentially what fruit flies are.

What part of "in Paris, France" do members of this board seem to not understand?  Why should the U.S. government be funding research in foreign universities, instead of American ones?

cite? I can't believe America would spend money for research in France. If that is the case then I oppose it.

Please reread the Palin quote from the original post:

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Again cite? I don't have to believe everything saint sarah says.

The cite is in the first post:
http://biochemicalsoul.com/2008/10/sarah-palin-a-blithering-idiot-that-could-destroy-science-and-medicine/

Also, EVERY left-wing blog that has reported this supposed Palin "error in judgment":
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Things+like+fruit+fly+research+in+Paris%2C+France.+I+kid+you+not%22&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=

Why are you willing to believe any supposedly bad quote attributed to Sarah Palin, but not the full quote, when reported by your own compadres on the left?

Again, why is the U.S. government earmarking research funds to France?  Giving grants the French government is unwilling to give, perhaps?

I was asking for the specific grant to the research in Paris. I am sure it was a joint project between scientists of different countries and maybe the research itself was being done in Paris. Can you cite what exact grant she was talking about? Anyways she is ridiculing research on fruit flies, not that it is being held in France.

Let me see if I get this straight:

1) Axelrod and the liberals are astroturfing a smear on Sarah Palin all over the Internet, one in which she objects to the U.S. earmarking funds for research in a foreign country.
2) I point out that Palin's general point was about EARMARKS, and an earmark for research in a foreign country doesn't make much sense.
3) You reply - prove Palin actually said that the earmark was for research in France.  Well, the actual quote from Axelrod's astroturf campaign SAYS that.
4) Not good enough.  Then you reply - show me a link to the actual earmark.

Why should I?  This is a left-wing astroturfing attempt to smear Sarah Palin, and left-wingers keep moving the goalposts.  I don't have the time to find the link.  I'm not playing this game.

If you think earmarks are good, fine.  To me, earmarks for U.S. projects are suspect.  Earmarks for FOREIGN projects are extremely suspect, and raise a huge red flag - if the U.S. government is spending EARMARKED money on research, why shouldn't it at least be done in the U.S?  One-world "progressives" may not get this, but I think Joe Sixpack does.

WTF are you babbling about? What is this astroturfing you are talking about? I don't believe Palin or Axelrod or whoever the  is "astroturfing". It seems ridiculous to me that we would spend research money to help French scientists, which is why I tend to not believe this charge Palin made( its on video so you can't deny that). If we are actually spending money on research in France without it being a partnership with US scientists, I vehemently oppose it. Just show me this earmark that gives money to France. I don't think it exists. Prove me wrong. Also if Palin was really making the argument that we should be spending the money here and not in france, she would have made her case in a different way. She would have said lets stop  spending money in france and spend it right here in America. But of course her point was against the earmark itself, something which saves lives around the world. 

[daboese]

I said a long time ago that Palin was anti-science, and is actually also standing against any of the modern beliefs of science.
And what is worse- she is not only as stupid as GW Bush is- she is much more ignorant than he is.
And she proves this more and more each day.
If this person ever gets any power in your country, you guys will be pretty much doomed.

Science is done anywhere in the world. American NSF research grants won't be funded if American researchers are not involved. Even if this is happening in France, they are sent there in order to learn from other specialists. And such research is extremely important, otherwise it won't be funded by such a large amount of money.
But go ahead, with some fundamentalists like Palin in power, the US will easily be part of the third world in a century or so...

[cinyc]

WTF are you babbling about? What is this astroturfing you are talking about? I don't believe Palin or Axelrod or whoever the  is "astroturfing". It seems ridiculous to me that we would spend research money to help French scientists, which is why I tend to not believe this charge Palin made( its on video so you can't deny that). If we are actually spending money on research in France without it being a partnership with US scientists, I vehemently oppose it. Just show me this earmark that gives money to France. I don't think it exists. Prove me wrong. Also if Palin was really making the argument that we should be spending the money here and not in france, she would have made her case in a different way. She would have said lets stop  spending money in france and spend it right here in America. But of course her point was against the earmark itself, something which saves lives around the world. 

Astroturfing is having paid political operatives deceptively place a misleading negative story about an opponent on the Internet.  Do you think they REALLY care much about this Sarah Palin story on the Atlanta Braves forum, or the other non-political forums Axelrod's minions have spread it to?

As to Palin's earmark charge, it is 100% true.  According to Citizens Against Government Waste, Rep. Mike Thompson (D-Calif.) placed a $742,764 earmark in a bill this year for "olive fruit fly research.  Part of this money, $211,509, is to be spent in Paris, France."  When asked why he had made the earmark by CNN, Rep. Thompson said "The olive fruit fly has infested thousands of California olive groves and is the single largest threat to the U.S. olive and olive oil industries."  They didn't ask why he specifically allocated $200,000+ for research in France, instead of California.  Beats me.

So once again, many "progressives" are jumping to the wrong conclusions.  The Parisian fruit fly research in question wasn't genetic research - and had everything to do with a questionable overseas earmark to help protect a domestic industry in a House members' district.

But we all know this can't possibly be true because Sarah Palin is a stupid bimbo anti-science bitch who doesn't know what she's talking about.

[Likely Voter]

So not only is she anti science she is anti-agricultural industry? Or does she just have it out for California because we are part of 'fake america'? California is the largest exporter of agriculture in the USA (and that means lots of small town and rural folks and jobs rely on growing things here). Fruit flies have been a major issue for decades and are a threat to the local economy. If someone of this research needs to be done overseas, so the hell what?

If there is something to be learned in france with their olive industry and research, why is that somehow bad? if you needed to take a medicine would you refuse it because it was invented in France? How jingoistic can you get?