MT-Montana State University: Obama overtakes McCain

[Tender Branson]

Obama - 44
McCain - 40
Paul - 4
Barr - 1
Nader - 1
Undecided - 10

This report summarizes the results of the statewide random sample telephone survey of
adult Montanans who were likely to vote in this year’s election. The poll was conducted October
16 – 20. Students enrolled in Political Science 350, Public Opinion and Polling, completed the
403 interviews for this survey.

http://www.msubillings.edu/CAS/NAMS/Poll2008%20Day-1.pdf

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

If only this wasn't a sh!t uni poll.

[Sam Spade]

My favorite part of this poll:

Students enrolled in Political Science 350, Public Opinion and Polling, completed the
403 interviews for this survey.

[Rowan]

College students doing polls yay!

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

College students doing polls yay!

Too bad it's not a crap poll from a German marketing firm, eh? Now that would mean something.

[Rowan]

Qunnipiac also uses student interviewers, yet some people think they are actually credible.

[WalterMitty]

OMG ron paul is the difference!

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

And some people think this poll is credible. Amazing, eh?

[WalterMitty]

And some people think this poll is credible. Amazing, eh?

any poll showing obama ahead is credible.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

And some people think this poll is credible. Amazing, eh?

any poll showing obama ahead is credible.

Read my first post in this thread you illiterate hack.

[Hash]

My favorite part of this poll:

Students enrolled in Political Science 350, Public Opinion and Polling, completed the
403 interviews for this survey.

I'll try to get the survey I must do in math to pass for a credible polling.

[emailking]

My favorite part of this poll:

Students enrolled in Political Science 350, Public Opinion and Polling, completed the
403 interviews for this survey.

They have more than 20-30 interviews so it is acceptable as a statiscal survey. They published their MOE...that's what the number of interviews affects. If you do an addition and a subtraction, you can see that McCain may lead by about as much as Obama does in the reported result.

[Sam Spade]

My favorite part of this poll:

Students enrolled in Political Science 350, Public Opinion and Polling, completed the
403 interviews for this survey.

They have more than 20-30 interviews so it is acceptable as a statiscal survey. They published their MOE...that's what the number of interviews affects. If you do an addition and a subtraction, you can see that McCain may lead by about as much as Obama does in the reported result.

You're not getting the point:  College kids do polling = disaster. (normally)

[Filuwaúrdjan]

My favorite part of this poll:

Students enrolled in Political Science 350, Public Opinion and Polling, completed the
403 interviews for this survey.

They have more than 20-30 interviews so it is acceptable as a statiscal survey. They published their MOE...that's what the number of interviews affects. If you do an addition and a subtraction, you can see that McCain may lead by about as much as Obama does in the reported result.

You're not getting the point:  College kids do polling = disaster. (normally)

All most students are interested in is getting drunk, so that's hardly a shock.

[Lief 🗽]

My favorite part of this poll:

Students enrolled in Political Science 350, Public Opinion and Polling, completed the
403 interviews for this survey.

They have more than 20-30 interviews so it is acceptable as a statiscal survey. They published their MOE...that's what the number of interviews affects. If you do an addition and a subtraction, you can see that McCain may lead by about as much as Obama does in the reported result.

You're not getting the point:  College kids do polling = disaster. (normally)

All most students are interested in is getting drunk, so that's hardly a shock.

[© tweed]

And some people think this poll is credible. Amazing, eh?

any poll showing obama ahead is credible.

Read my first post in this thread you illiterate hack.

BURN

[Eraserhead]

Well, a new serious poll from MT would be nice.

[Boris]

Well, a new serious poll from MT would be nice.

eh, i think we know McCain is up by about 8-9, maybe low double digits. He seems to have pulled away here.

[Eraserhead]

Well, a new serious poll from MT would be nice.

eh, i think we know McCain is up by about 8-9, maybe low double digits. He seems to have pulled away here.

I doubt he's still up that high given Obama's national lead.

[Small Business Owner of Any Repute]

My favorite part of this poll:

Students enrolled in Political Science 350, Public Opinion and Polling, completed the
403 interviews for this survey.

They have more than 20-30 interviews so it is acceptable as a statiscal survey. They published their MOE...that's what the number of interviews affects. If you do an addition and a subtraction, you can see that McCain may lead by about as much as Obama does in the reported result.

Fun lesson in polling.

There are two types of error that can be brought into a poll.  There's statistical error, which is what the "margin of error" measures.  Consider that your "best case" margin of error.

The second type of error is methodological, and that's precisely why these University polls are often seen as garbage here. For a poll to be a valid measure, it needs to have carefully constructed questions, a good screen for likely voters, be performed by a party disinterested in the results to minimize bias, and have a solid, accurate demographic model to mold the numbers to.  If we're talking about college students, any number of things could have gone wrong with the poll in the methodological column.  This stuff can't be measured by the margin of error, and isn't included in it.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

All most students are interested in is getting drunk, so that's hardly a shock.

Yeah, but it's still true. A pity I don't have anything to record the sound outside right now with (at least nothing I know how to use).