Horse takes up painting, has works exhibited Bill (Vetoed)

[DownWithTheLeft]

The bill is introduced on behalf of Fmr. Sen. BrandonH if I didn't already state so. 

This bill is necessary because the statue is completely unnecessary.  We have regional senate seats, and the idea of making them extinct has not come close to passing.  Until it does, there is no reason for this bill.

[DownWithTheLeft]

Nay, if you wish for further explanation you may contact BrandonH as well

[DownWithTheLeft]

Nay, if you wish for further explanation you may contact BrandonH as well

Just do it, and do it on the floor DWTL.   The idea is to change minds on the floor. Among other things, that improves the game, and also educates the "youngs" as to how to affect and effect legislation, in the other place. Just a thought.

In fact, we need a lot more give and takes on the floor. Isn't the Senate supposed to be this special place, this gleaming jewel on the Fruited Plain, this Atlasia, this  greatest deliberative body known to man?  Where have all the flowers gone?

The only reason I said that is because many senator automatically dismiss bills with my name attached to them

Basically, the reasoning is this.  This statue is meaningless and basically is a ploy to try and convince people to support eliminating regional senate seats.  Proponents cite that it will bring competitive elections and want to use the same formula as before as this bill does.  The fact is while the elections may become a tad more competitive, you are completely losing the aspect of senators having to appeal to a certain region.  For example, a referendum senate election in the Dirty South on regional rights (PiT v. BaconKing) has all the excitement of national elections, except it is a 1 on 1 different type of excitement.  Sure, some elections like yours and AndrewCTs were unchallenged, but that is because you both fit your region well and the forces that be did not want to challenge you.  The fact is if national elections were held, I'm quite sure that you and Andrew would have been elected as well as PiT.  However, Lewis very well may not have and therefore the Midwest and its small population would be lacking representation.  You also would miss out on the madness in the Mideast.  This is now two elections in a row (last time in the Southeast) that there has been an insane election providing a ton of excitement.  Why would we want to end these spectacles?

[DownWithTheLeft]

Thanks DWTL. But this bill dumps the 5 national Senate seats. The 5 regional seats still stand. Do you want all seats to be regional?  Since as I noted in another post, the Senate effectively seems to have supreme power, don't you want at least some of them, to be subject to a national vote?

If I'm reading it correct (which I believe I am) it does not.

Class A seats are the regional seats.  What this act does, and correct me if you think I'm wrong, is state that IF regional senate seats are nationalized, the matter in which they are voted upon would be the same as the Class B seats (currently the at-large seats)

[DownWithTheLeft]

I believe the analogy used for this bill was it was buying the ammunition before the gun

[DownWithTheLeft]

Jas, just because you do not agree with something does not make it propaganda.  The only propaganda being spread around is that if you oppose nationalizing all senate elections you are an idiot.

[DownWithTheLeft]

The only propaganda being spread around is that if you oppose nationalizing all senate elections you are an idiot.

Holding onto regional Senate seats is a perfectly valid political opinion.
I wish the regional elections were competitive, but pretending that they are doesn't help anyone or address the fundamental problem.

There is no pretending.  If an incumbent is defeated that has to be considered a competitive election, the Mideast and Southeast chaos is not make believe either.  Hell, the Southeast race took over a month to settle.  That kind of chaos is what we need more of, not less

[DownWithTheLeft]

What on earth are you on about?
What chaos in the SE? 

The senate election and the De-Registration Scandal coupled with a re-vote, then BaconKing couldn't take the oath of office so I stayed in the senate.  It really helped build up regional participation, it helped fuel the drive for regional rights.  I doubt any races this time around will have the same fire, but still you never know.

[DownWithTheLeft]

I motion for cloture

[DownWithTheLeft]

Nay, thanks for reminding me Lewis

[DownWithTheLeft]

I move for cloture vote starting at 12:01 PM tomorrow, November 7th

[DownWithTheLeft]

Oh God. DWTL, you need to take lessons from me on how to win friends and influence people above and beyond, even though I love ya like a bother man.

Nay.

I'm confused by your vote.  Now we are voting on cloture because the motion before did not have enough votes because nobody showed up for it.  The reason I voted against it was because I know PiT will now vote in favor and there is a good chance AndrewCT will too.

Anyway, Aye

[DownWithTheLeft]

What are your intentions Jas and Torie?  To keep this on the floor until the next senate or something?  I'll keep debate open as long as possible if need be all your doing is stalling which I did last time because it was the END of a senate session.  Backlog a bill like this for two months in hopes that prospects will look brighter? 

And Torie I really don't understand your vote considering you said that regional senate seats would disappear over your dead body

[DownWithTheLeft]

Correct me if I am wrong here DWTL. This legislation does not get rid of regional seats. It just creates a procedure if they are eventually done away with. Isn't that right? If so, this seems to be something of an onanistic exercise on all sides.

You are right about that, but still this is simply a vote for cloture.  Did you think it was a final vote or were you voting against cloture?

[DownWithTheLeft]

Seems the attempt to achieve cloture here has failed.

That's why I motioned for cloture again

[DownWithTheLeft]

Torie change your vote or this thing is going to stay out there forever

[DownWithTheLeft]

Nay

[DownWithTheLeft]

As much as I do not like silver, government handouts of asparagus are not acceptable

Nay

[DownWithTheLeft]

The fight will not die!!!!

Move to overrule veto!

     Wouldn't the bill's sponsor need to do that?

I meant it as an order more than an actual movement

In true spirit of the bill!  Anyway I do not wish to open a veto override vote and instead will re-introduce the original bill at a later time