WaPo: Sources Say CBS has more embarrassing Palin footage to air this week

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

At the very least McCain needs someone who seems capable of walking and chewing gum at the same time.

It was just a bridge too far for him.  He could have easily comforted the Talibagelicals by choosing Huckabee, Pence, Thune or another arch social conservative.  But Palin met that requirement and had perky tits.  That, I suspect McCain's advisors thought, would -- err -- excite -- younger, male voters.  I still find it impossible to believe anyone seriously thought pro-choice feminists who supported Clinton would ever find Palin an attractive alternative.  Maybe a tiny handful, out of spite.  But I emphasize "tiny"....

I really thought Pawlenty was looking good, just because we heard so much build up over the months about how McCain cherishes those who show him loyalty.  And like Pawlenty or not, you gotta hand it to the man.  He remained loyal to McCain...even when the chips were down.

I doubt that (in bold) had anything to do with it. McCain went with Palin hoping to get a combination of fundie mobilization and to boost his image as a reformer, the other guys wouldn't do the latter. Palin was never about winning over disgruntled Hillary voters for reasons Sam Spade covered long ago and was never about winning over males. He didn't pick Jessica Alba. Romney would've been an attack dog, but McCain didn't think he needed that at the time. Pawlenty would've been the dull, "safe" choice hardly changing the dynamics. But McCain the Gambler can't do that.

Seems you've made a total 180 on Palin's effect though.

[JSojourner]

At the very least McCain needs someone who seems capable of walking and chewing gum at the same time.

It was just a bridge too far for him.  He could have easily comforted the Talibagelicals by choosing Huckabee, Pence, Thune or another arch social conservative.  But Palin met that requirement and had perky tits.  That, I suspect McCain's advisors thought, would -- err -- excite -- younger, male voters.  I still find it impossible to believe anyone seriously thought pro-choice feminists who supported Clinton would ever find Palin an attractive alternative.  Maybe a tiny handful, out of spite.  But I emphasize "tiny"....

I really thought Pawlenty was looking good, just because we heard so much build up over the months about how McCain cherishes those who show him loyalty.  And like Pawlenty or not, you gotta hand it to the man.  He remained loyal to McCain...even when the chips were down.

I doubt that (in bold) had anything to do with it. McCain went with Palin hoping to get a combination of fundie mobilization and to boost his image as a reformer, the other guys wouldn't do the latter. Palin was never about winning over disgruntled Hillary voters for reasons Sam Spade covered long ago and was never about winning over males. He didn't pick Jessica Alba. Romney would've been an attack dog, but McCain didn't think he needed that at the time. Pawlenty would've been the dull, "safe" choice hardly changing the dynamics. But McCain the Gambler can't do that.

Seems you've made a total 180 on Palin's effect though.

Not a complete 180, yet BRTD.  I am still waiting for the Biden debate.  But after watching the full Couric interview and seeing the utterly clueless look in this woman's eye, I think the likelihood of a grand con or set-up preceding the debate is much less likely.

You have to understand, to paraphrase Lloyd Bentsen loosely,  "I've met Dan Quayle.  I've interviewed Dan Quayle.  I know Dan Quayle."

And I was sure even then -- and I was still pretty Republican at the time -- there was no way this moron would be elected so resoundingly.  Obviously, Bush at the top and an utterly miserable Dukakis campaign made all the difference in the world.  But I still remain amazed at my party's penchant for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

Still -- the woman clearly has issues.  Nice lady?  I think, sure.  Great mom?  Yeah, you bet.  But beyond that, I'm much less convinced of her formidability.

[cinyc]

I didn’t editorialize, obviously these sorts of things are intentionally leaked 50% of the time.  The exact nature of the leaks (anonymous), and Palin’s context, make me more than a little suspicious that they were all intentional by Davis and Schmidt.

I didn't say you did.  I share your suspicion.

[Nutmeg]

Methinks some McCain campaign strategists have been watching Season 7 of The West Wing.

[Lunar]

Jonathon Martin:

Tacitly acknowledging criticism that she's been diminished in part by an overly protective media shield, Sarah Palin will take a more forward-leaning approach and do additional interviews in the weeks ahead, a top aide said today.

"She's seen the reviews and heard the criticism, but she's a fighter," said this aide. "And now she's in a fighting mood."

Palin heads to McCain's cabin in Arizona today to prepare for her Thursday debate, and while she's there she'll do a round of conservative talk radio interviews.

"Talk radio is a convenient, powerful and effective outlet," said the aide.

Rush Limbaugh, who hosts the most popular radio show in the country, noted in an e-mail that he doesn't invite guests on and alluded to his rocky relationship with the top of the GOP ticket.

"The McCain camp doesn't trust me," Limbaugh said.

But asked if he'd welcome a call from Palin, the conservative talker said: "Of course."

The move to reintroduce Palin comes after much criticism for a stumbling interview she gave to CBS’ Katie Couric last week; increased conservative grousing about the campaign's decision to roll out the GOP vice presidential nominee through high-stakes and high-profile mainstream media interviews; and the suggestion by some observers that she even drop off the ticket.

Quite the contrary, Palin, her family and aides are determined to remind voters what they so liked about the governor in the first place.

After the debate and talk radio hits, the plan is to find a way to let Palin be Palin, moving her away from the pre-fab talking points and letting the down-home daughter of Wasilla be herself.

"She wants to tell her story more, and people around her do, too," added the source. "This is a governor very much on her toes, very much fed up with inaccuracies and fictions about her own life and career."

To this end, Palin was far more aggressive in another interview with Couric today, this aide said

Sitting with McCain for their first joint interview a week after the widely panned sit-down with Couric, Palin interjected when the CBS anchor brought up a report about the Wasilla Assembly of God, the governor's childhood church and one she still attends at times, seeking to pray gays away from homosexuality.

"Sarah Barracuda showed up today," the aide said, reprising the feisty former point guard's high school basketball nickname and one that has been largely forgotten since her post-convention cosseting.

"We're encouraging CBS to run entire thing," the aide said of today's session. "Run it end to end online."

Of concern to McCain's campaign, however, is a remaining and still-undisclosed clip from Palin's interview with Couric last week that has the political world buzzing.

The Palin aide, after first noting how "infuriating" it was for CBS to purportedly leak word about the gaffe, revealed that it came in response to a question about Supreme Court decisions.

After noting Roe vs. Wade, Palin was apparently unable to discuss any major court cases.

There was no verbal fumbling with this particular question as there was with some others, the aide said, but rather silence.

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

The Palin aide, after first noting how "infuriating" it was for CBS to purportedly leak word about the gaffe, revealed that it came in response to a question about Supreme Court decisions.

After noting Roe vs. Wade, Palin was apparently unable to discuss any major court cases.

There was no verbal fumbling with this particular question as there was with some others, the aide said, but rather silence.
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doesn't this chick have a minor in polisci?  are you telling she can't name mulb vs madison, or dred scott, or brown vs. board of education, etc?  heck, she just recently gave a speech about the recent exxon valdez spill ruling.

see, this is why I don't think she is stupid, she's just obviously brain-locked by the pressure of the interview

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The Palin aide, after first noting how "infuriating" it was for CBS to purportedly leak word about the gaffe, revealed that it came in response to a question about Supreme Court decisions.

After noting Roe vs. Wade, Palin was apparently unable to discuss any major court cases.

There was no verbal fumbling with this particular question as there was with some others, the aide said, but rather silence.
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doesn't this chick have a minor in polisci?  are you telling she can't name mulb vs madison, or dred scott, or brown vs. board of education, etc?  heck, she just recently gave a speech about the recent exxon valdez spill ruling.

see, this is why I don't think she is stupid, she's just obviously brain-locked by the pressure of the interview

Well, isn't the ability to communicate under pressure a useful job skill for someone who is one 72-76 year-old heart-beat away from becoming President of the United States of America? If she's supposedly smart, but freezes up, she can go work for the Heritage Foundation, or something.

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

http://www.wegoted.com/
An update from Ed Schultz:
Capitol Hill sources are telling me that senior McCain people
are more than concerned about Palin.

The campaign has held a mock debate and a mock press conference; both are being described as "disastrous." One senior McCain aide was quoted as saying, "What are we going to do?" The McCain people want to move this first debate to some later, undetermined date, possibly never. People on the inside are saying the Alaska Governor is "clueless."

isn't Ed Schultz a liberal?  no one in connection to the McCain camp would confide in him

[Lunar]

He only said that his "Capitol Hill sources" knew what was going on with McCain people.

I just made it red because it is the most damning.  Feel free to be a skeptic.

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Does it even matter any more? Let the Republican ticket go back to their Arizona casinos and Alaska moose hunts.

[daboese]

doesn't this chick have a minor in polisci? heck, she just recently gave a speech about the recent exxon valdez spill ruling.

Yeah, right.
Memorizing speeches (or reading them from a teleprompter), as you know, is an entirely different cookie than to put the things she said into context.
For the bailout plan in the Couric interview, she was scrambling the context of McCain's point of view, nothing else. Same on many other issues.
Also, I am not quite sure anymore if the "good interview" she gave on the radio was really so good. Media can just cut the incomprehensible parts out easily.

I have seen it coming, and it will only get worse. But I guess we will see it at the debate. She was right herself, she is just a "hockey mom" and the uneducated people really love her. But if she was president, it would be fatal for your country. And doesn't every country get the leader/president it deserves?

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

The Palin aide, after first noting how "infuriating" it was for CBS to purportedly leak word about the gaffe, revealed that it came in response to a question about Supreme Court decisions.

After noting Roe vs. Wade, Palin was apparently unable to discuss any major court cases.

There was no verbal fumbling with this particular question as there was with some others, the aide said, but rather silence.
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doesn't this chick have a minor in polisci?  are you telling she can't name mulb vs madison, or dred scott, or brown vs. board of education, etc?  heck, she just recently gave a speech about the recent exxon valdez spill ruling.

see, this is why I don't think she is stupid, she's just obviously brain-locked by the pressure of the interview

Well, isn't the ability to communicate under pressure a useful job skill for someone who is one 72-76 year-old heart-beat away from becoming President of the United States of America? If she's supposedly smart, but freezes up, she can go work for the Heritage Foundation, or something.

of course the ability to communicate is extremely important.  I just don't get what is going on with her, I have a hard time believe someone who would earn a minor in polisci in college and a major in journalism could have such a lack of interest in world affairs that she can't answer simple softball questions.  Everything this woman did for the last 18 months signaled she aspired to go national.  There was NOTHING in her debates/interviews while she was in Alaska to even hint she would have this level of difficulty.

Sure, you expect some gaffes from someone so green, but nothing to explain what has happened.

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for the debate...

If lack of knowledge is her problem, then there is nothing that can be done about it.  She'll be on suicide watch by Friday.

If freezing up is her problem, she needs to come out agreesive and look Biden in the eyes every chance she gets and take all of her frustrations out on him and Obama.  She seems to like dressing sexy, so she should also come to the debate with her other set of glasses, the ones with the fully visible frames.  Also, if she is performing well, she needs to make a joke about her problems in the interviews.  She has to let it all hang out, do great and carry the success over to a batch of new interviews.  (For her, this is not about winning this year, that possibility all but gone with the economy.  Rather it is about rescuing what's left of her career.  You do NOT want to leave the national stage having made more of a joke out of yourself than Dan Quayle.)

[RJ]

I just saw the McCain/Palin interview by Couric on CBS News. McCain just embarrassed himself with his quote of "gotcha journalism." I hate giving opinions instead of facts in an analysis, but I really wish he'd stick to answering questions instead of giving gross generalizations. It was the first interview after the ones last week one on one with Palin.

Too bad Johnny Mac can't hold her hand to the debate podium.

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

He only said that his "Capitol Hill sources" knew what was going on with McCain people.

I just made it red because it is the most damning.  Feel free to be a skeptic.

the McCain camp might think Palin is an absolute idiot, but no way such doubt gets out to anyone who would leak it.  If she truly is clueless, leaking the fact would only make her perform worse.  Besides, for her and her family's sake, no one in the McCain camp would express such doubts to anyone outside of the inner circle.

[Ban my account ffs!]

McCain really should have picked Pawlenty.  He pretty much has all of Palin's positives (minus the perky tits, of course).. without the negatives.

He is miles ahead of her in foreign policy... as he does spend a lot of time in foreign country 'selling Minnesota' to them.. and like Sarah Palin, we have to have a relationship with Manitoba, Ontario, and the Canadian government in general since we border them.

Pawlenty also has strong fiscal conservatism credentials having held taxes down with overwhelming DFL majorities....

He would have been a million times better than Sarah Palin.

I do actually feel bad for Pawlenty, though... I think he felt pretty burned... having been so loyal and such a hard worker for his campaign.  His absence from the McCain campaign and "return to business as normal as governor of Minnesota" since the VP pick kind of shows that.

[Lunar]

McCain really should have picked Pawlenty.  He pretty much has all of Palin's positives (minus the perky tits, of course).. without the negatives.

He is miles ahead of her in foreign policy... as he does spend a lot of time in foreign country 'selling Minnesota' to them.. and like Sarah Palin, we have to have a relationship with Manitoba, Ontario, and the Canadian government in general since we border them.

Pawlenty also has strong fiscal conservatism credentials having held taxes down with overwhelming DFL majorities....

He would have been a million times better than Sarah Palin.

I do actually feel bad for Pawlenty, though... I think he felt pretty burned... having been so loyal and such a hard worker for his campaign.  His absence from the McCain campaign and "return to business as normal as governor of Minnesota" since the VP pick kind of shows that.

The day before Palin was picked, Pawlenty was told to prepare acceptance remarks in case he got selected....

[Ban my account ffs!]

Well, this was his big change to climb into national politics.

Now he will be governor until 2010, likely with super majorities of the opposite party in the legislature.  By 2012 he will be all but forgotten.

I can't imagine he's too happy any more.. and if Palin crashes and burns, no matter how modest Pawlenty is (and he's no boaster), I'm sure he'll get a tiny ounce of enjoyment out of it.... not to a Clintonesque extent.. but you know... your standard "hehe... 'guess I wouldn'ta been so darned bad of a pick now, now would I?  Don'tcha know."

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Isn't this the same "news" network that committed fraud against Bush in 2004? The Obama Mania Media never stops.

[Lunar]

Isn't this the same "news" network that committed fraud against Bush in 2004? The Obama Mania Media never stops.

I have like six different sources, some of the most damning of which come from the Wall Street Journal - the same newspaper that endorsed both McCain and Bush....  Schultz is a self-proclaimed liberal democrat but Politico is about as reputable as one can get in the political-reporting biz.  Marc Ambinder I think is universally respected by left and right.

Buy yeah, this isn't all about the WaPo, and I've posted numerous updates on this thread with further sourced explanations about where the WaPo was wrong and where they are right.  Did you read the thread?

[Lunar]

Found underneath "logical fallacies"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the man", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to a characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim. The process of proving or disproving the claim is thereby subverted, and the argumentum ad hominem works to change the subject.

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Found underneath "logical fallacies"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the man", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to a characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim. The process of proving or disproving the claim is thereby subverted, and the argumentum ad hominem works to change the subject.

Firstly, I didn't attack you. Secondly, I beg you to prove to me that the media doesn't have a bias against conservatives and McCain.

[Lunar]

I know on the first (the source is the WaPo, not me), and I can't argue on the latter since I agree with you.  Yet, attacking the WaPo over 2004 does not discredit every story it has since then.

But, if you read the thread, you'll see that the WaPo is actually a bit off in its reporting.  There will be more footage aired by CBS with additional interviews with both Palin and Biden this week, but then there are news outlets outside the WaPo that are suggesting Palin could not name a Supreme Court case outside of Roe.... again, all is in this thread.

I mean, attacking the WaPo is all good, they probably deserve it, but it's not, by itself, an answer to every story they publish.  Like I said just one post ago, some of the most aggressive anti-Palin reporting in this thread comes from the WSJ that has endorsed McCain, and I have six different sources for different points in this thread, on all ends of the political spectrum.

The media has some left-wing bias, but that's 100% irrelevant to this thread.

[pragmatic liberal]

Should have taken Romney.

Honestly, I wonder if the REPUBLICANS shouldn't have taken Romney. For President.

Seriously. I know that Romney always polled HORRIBLY versus both Hillary and Obama. And he was never a popular figure among anyone, even among most Republicans.

But he wouldn't have run such an erratic, bizarre campaign. And he wouldn't have picked this joke of a VP. And right now in the current financial meltdown, he'd have been able to speak a LOT more credibly than McCain is.

And a lot of Romney's problems were base problems -- the overwhelming majority of Republicans would have come home during the course of the campaign and anti-Obama voters would probably have been receptive to whatever negative campaign Romney opted to run. I doubt the Obama-Romney spread would be anywhere near the 15-20 point spread it was in the spring -- probably more like 5-7 points.

Obviously, we don't yet know what the outcome in November is going to be like. It could still be close, it could still *POSSIBLY* be a McCain victory. But I think the chances of a substantial Obama win -- even a minor landslide -- are getting better and better. If that turns out to be the case, I wonder whether Romney might not have come closer than McCain.

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Pragmatic, this is really the best the GOP could have done in this atmosphere and still remain in the race.

[Brittain33]

Isn't this the same "news" network that committed fraud against Bush in 2004? The Obama Mania Media never stops.

Politico didn't exist then. CBS? Well, let's see if the footage surfaces or not. No one's going to argue that they bought it, fake, from a freelancer.