Bradley Effect

[jamestroll]

lol, no bradley effect anywhere in the US..

except perhaps a very slight one in Iowa, and of course, in Arkansas..but that was more of a PUMA effect.

and lol.. Europe will probably elect a true minority leader in one of their countries when we are very very very very old. Only the UK has a chance of doing it within the next 3 decades..

germany electing a turk chancellor.. lolz.. wont happen!

[jamestroll]

I think phil has a point here. Europe is much more xenophobic than America. There is a complicated racial problem here for sure but we are much more accepting of immigrants of every stripe. If we were to exclude the deep south, I would say America is much less racist and xenophobic than Europe.

^^^^^

This is correct. America is far less racist then Europe, with the exception of the deep south. In the deep south racism is well and alive, on both sides.

The US is far better then Europe in most aspects. Really the only Euro countries I would live in is Germany and the United Kingdom.

[Workers' Friend]

I think phil has a point here. Europe is much more xenophobic than America. There is a complicated racial problem here for sure but we are much more accepting of immigrants of every stripe. If we were to exclude the deep south, I would say America is much less racist and xenophobic than Europe.

^^^^^

This is correct. America is far less racist then Europe, with the exception of the deep south. In the deep south racism is well and alive, on both sides.

The US is far better then Europe in most aspects. Really the only Euro countries I would live in is Germany and the United Kingdom.

Does that mean we are more Liberal than Europe?

[jamestroll]

I think phil has a point here. Europe is much more xenophobic than America. There is a complicated racial problem here for sure but we are much more accepting of immigrants of every stripe. If we were to exclude the deep south, I would say America is much less racist and xenophobic than Europe.

^^^^^

This is correct. America is far less racist then Europe, with the exception of the deep south. In the deep south racism is well and alive, on both sides.

The US is far better then Europe in most aspects. Really the only Euro countries I would live in is Germany and the United Kingdom.

Does that mean we are more Liberal than Europe?

In some ways yes, in some ways No.

[Workers' Friend]

I think phil has a point here. Europe is much more xenophobic than America. There is a complicated racial problem here for sure but we are much more accepting of immigrants of every stripe. If we were to exclude the deep south, I would say America is much less racist and xenophobic than Europe.

^^^^^

This is correct. America is far less racist then Europe, with the exception of the deep south. In the deep south racism is well and alive, on both sides.

The US is far better then Europe in most aspects. Really the only Euro countries I would live in is Germany and the United Kingdom.

Does that mean we are more Liberal than Europe?

In some ways yes, in some ways No.

I was just wondering, since I hear most Americans are Center - Right. (As I consider myself to a certain extent.)

[minionofmidas]

Well the Greens will have a Turkish chairperson in a couple of days...

[jamestroll]

Well the Greens will have a Turkish chairperson in a couple of days...

Well, good for them.

Hopefully the CDU controls germany forever.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

There was no Bradley Effect in Iowa. The polling average gave Obama 54%. He got...54%. He never had outside the MoE in any recent polls. There was no mass lying to any pollster saying they would vote for Obama who then went to vote for McCain.

[Хahar 🤔]

Well the Greens will have a Turkish chairperson in a couple of days...

Thought the ethnics were overrepresented in the PDS?

[Lunar]

There was no Bradley Effect in Iowa. The polling average gave Obama 54%. He got...54%. He never had outside the MoE in any recent polls. There was no mass lying to any pollster saying they would vote for Obama who then went to vote for McCain.

Technically people saying they're undecided but really not could be counted as a B.E.

However, it's asinine to assume this isn't just due to poor weighting or leaners dissatisfied with McCain (he wasn't popular in the caucus if you remember).  Especially when it doesn't show up in other states with similar demographics!

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

There was no Bradley Effect in Iowa. The polling average gave Obama 54%. He got...54%. He never had outside the MoE in any recent polls. There was no mass lying to any pollster saying they would vote for Obama who then went to vote for McCain.

Technically people saying they're undecided but really not could be counted as a B.E.

However, it's asinine to assume this isn't just due to poor weighting or leaners dissatisfied with McCain (he wasn't popular in the caucus if you remember).  Especially when it doesn't show up in other states with similar demographics!

Exactly. There's a million reasons why polls could be off or undecideds can break heavily, etc. But try telling that to J. J., who basically argues any discrepancy in McCain's favor MUST be the Almighty Bradley Effect.

[minionofmidas]

Well the Greens will have a Turkish chairperson in a couple of days...

Thought the ethnics were overrepresented in the PDS?

The West German PDS, that is, but yes. In the Greens too though.

[Хahar 🤔]

Well the Greens will have a Turkish chairperson in a couple of days...

Thought the ethnics were overrepresented in the PDS?

The West German PDS, that is, but yes. In the Greens too though.

Hmm. Didn't know that.