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« Reply #350 on: January 07, 2009, 02:39:02 PM »

Accepted as such.
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« Reply #351 on: January 07, 2009, 03:17:18 PM »

I bring the following legislature, sponsored by Purple State, as amended by Inks.LWC, to a vote.  This will be a 48 hour vote:

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« Reply #352 on: January 07, 2009, 03:18:14 PM »

On the following matter:

Mideast Constitutional Convention Bill

I vote:

AYE
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« Reply #353 on: January 07, 2009, 03:19:12 PM »

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« Reply #354 on: January 07, 2009, 04:18:05 PM »

I'm not at all keen on the presiding officer electoral procedure, which I will predict now won't be followed in its entirity. Nonetheless, there is nothing highly egregious in it:

AYE on the bill.
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« Reply #355 on: January 07, 2009, 04:19:24 PM »

The bill passes 3-0.
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« Reply #356 on: January 07, 2009, 05:48:40 PM »

I'm not at all keen on the presiding officer electoral procedure, which I will predict now won't be followed in its entirity. Nonetheless, there is nothing highly egregious in it:

AYE on the bill.

There is definitely some room for latitude and any concerns can be fully addressed in the bylaws that the Convention crafts. And feel free to air any of those concerns now so we can incorporate them as soon as we start.

So now we wait three days until the law goes through?
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« Reply #357 on: January 07, 2009, 08:18:35 PM »

I'm not at all keen on the presiding officer electoral procedure, which I will predict now won't be followed in its entirity. Nonetheless, there is nothing highly egregious in it:

AYE on the bill.

There is definitely some room for latitude and any concerns can be fully addressed in the bylaws that the Convention crafts. And feel free to air any of those concerns now so we can incorporate them as soon as we start.

So now we wait three days until the law goes through?

That is correct.
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« Reply #358 on: January 07, 2009, 08:24:33 PM »

I'm not at all keen on the presiding officer electoral procedure, which I will predict now won't be followed in its entirity. Nonetheless, there is nothing highly egregious in it:

AYE on the bill.

There is definitely some room for latitude and any concerns can be fully addressed in the bylaws that the Convention crafts. And feel free to air any of those concerns now so we can incorporate them as soon as we start.

So now we wait three days until the law goes through?

That is correct.

This is why we need a new Constitution. At least to provide the Governor the opportunity to waive that and have a law go into effect immediately.
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« Reply #359 on: January 13, 2009, 03:24:41 PM »

I think it's clear that we aren't going to get the participation that we'd hoped for in the 3CC.

We can't even get the rules of order passed.  I propose the following bill and bring it to a vote immediately.  I'd make it 1/3 of our citizens, but right now, we're stuck at 5 votes to amend the Rules of Order.  There's no way we'll be able to consistently get 7 votes, in my opinion, and 5 is good enough.  We just need to get this started:

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« Reply #360 on: January 13, 2009, 03:38:38 PM »

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« Reply #361 on: January 14, 2009, 10:14:53 PM »

For the record, this is a 48 hour vote.
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« Reply #362 on: January 15, 2009, 04:04:35 PM »

Whilst technically out of time, I think, Aye.
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« Reply #363 on: January 15, 2009, 04:20:16 PM »

And now we wait 3 days for this to go through. Bore.
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« Reply #364 on: January 16, 2009, 03:00:32 PM »

The motion passes.  We wait 3 days from 3:34 yesterday.  So, it'll go into effect on the 18th at 3:34 P.M. EST.
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« Reply #365 on: January 17, 2009, 11:24:58 PM »

Will the Convention motions go through as soon as this passes?
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« Reply #366 on: January 18, 2009, 04:43:28 PM »

I bring the following legislation to the floor for discussion:

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« Reply #367 on: January 18, 2009, 04:45:45 PM »

I bring the following legislation to the floor for discussion:

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Whilst I agree that an amendment to the Law is needed, I think rewriting our Laws to be more focused on the intent of the voter is more desirable to throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Would you like me to write something?
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« Reply #368 on: January 18, 2009, 04:48:13 PM »

I bring the following legislation to the floor for discussion:

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Whilst I agree that an amendment to the Law is needed, I think rewriting our Laws to be more focused on the intent of the voter is more desirable to throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Would you like me to write something?

Go ahead.
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« Reply #369 on: January 18, 2009, 04:53:22 PM »
« Edited: January 18, 2009, 04:58:51 PM by afleitch »

It is clear that aspects of the statute have not been followed for over a year now and that this has been relatively unintentional. However it is still an unhelpful position to be in and is not excusable. I would support an amendment over an EDIT: repeal
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« Reply #370 on: January 18, 2009, 05:03:09 PM »

Voting Intent Statute
Section 1
1. In certifying the result the voting booth administrator shall list all those votes which he or she has discounted, and the reasons for these votes being discounted. The voting booth administrator shall discount all votes that are invalid under the law, and shall only count those remaining votes for which he or she is able to make a reasonable determination as to the intent of the voter subject to such conditions as imposed by the rest of this Act.
2. Where a voter lists all candidates running in an election and places some mark to the right or left of one and only one of the candidates or tickets, then the vote shall be construed to be for that candidate or ticket.
3. In elections allowing preferencing of candidates, if no numbering of the preferences is stated, and no other marks signalling intent are made, then the candidate at the top of the list shall be presumed to be the first preference, the candidate on the second line of the list shall be presumed to be the second preference, and so on.
4. The enumeration of certain reasonable determinations of intent in this section shall not be construed to be exclusive.

Section 2
The following statutes and sections of statutes shall expire 2 months from the date of passage of this statute:
*Mideast Election and Vote Regulations Statute
*Mideast Gubernatorial Election Statute
*Mideast Second Election and Vote Regulations Statute
*Section 1 of this Act

The intent of Section 2 is to force the reconsideration of all Mideast electoral law, and thus ensure that it is fully up to date with our present circumstances.
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« Reply #371 on: January 18, 2009, 05:05:29 PM »

Seems both fair and immediate.
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« Reply #372 on: January 18, 2009, 08:58:42 PM »

What happens once everything has expired? We rewrite the law completely?
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« Reply #373 on: January 18, 2009, 11:07:58 PM »

What happens once everything has expired? We rewrite the law completely?

Well, the idea would be to rewrite it before it expires so  that we have something to implement when they do expire.
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« Reply #374 on: January 18, 2009, 11:19:19 PM »

Hopefully we will have a new Constitution by that time.
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