Should we be paying for quandruple-bypass surgery for middle-aged fat people?
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« Reply #25 on: September 09, 2008, 07:48:35 PM »

Is that an implication that food produced by Corporations in implicitly unhealthy, and that the only way to live healthily is without corporate food?

No, of course not.  It is an observation that the vast majority of food produced and sold by large corporations is much less healthy than that produced in a more localized and less industrialized manner in the past.  Obviously one cannot say that everything that corporations sell is unhealthy, just that their products are mostly less healthy.  The reason is, Jacob, that they have refined the marketing of their products, and conjointly their manufacture, to supply sugar and fat for appeal, while keeping the ingredient cost low by using unhealthy things like partially hydrogenated vegetable oils and high fructose corn syrup.  Such highly industrialized production strategies were simply not available to smaller producers of the past.

Regarding my point about 'how everyone else eats', it was simply that for the average worker who has extremely limited time and money to focus on the problem of diet, due to unremitting toils, he must eat the general diet.  He has no choice as he has not the time or money to do other wise.

Sedentary lifestyles are also forced upon the worker by his economic condition, and there is nothing he can do about it - he simply hasn't the time or money for exercise.  He must engage in highly stressful work at a desk and then drive home.

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I was not stating that political elites were using 'tax-money' for anything, Jacob.  Please understand that I consider rich people - the owning class - to be our political elite.  Politicians are mere functionaries who serve this class (who have all the political power).  Thus I do not consider 'tax money' to have any bearing on the real exploitation taking place.  The real transfer payment, exacted by force, is the so-called 'private' income of the owners, drawn from the production (toil) of the working class.

Thus my critique of this policy was simply to make the point that we already have intensive and pervasive State control of transfer of wealth - in our case we do it from worker to owner.  Therefore I contend that it is silly to claim that having the State 'pay for' health care for workers is some sort of innovation compared to what we do now - transfer money from toilers to the wealthy to pay for their health care.  I only mentioned the Mercedes and mansions to point out that health care is far from the only government provided privilege that the wealthy enjoy.

Corporate food is less flavorful, and less healthy.  This is because they spray the hell out of the crops with pesticides, fungicides, herbicides, etc....

If you grow the plants organically, they get attacked by bugs at some point in their life and they load up on antioxidants and other nutritious things to fight off the pests.

The potatoes, carrots, and onions harvested and used for tonight's meal at my house were immeasurably more flavorful and healthful than the crap you get at the grocery store.
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« Reply #26 on: September 09, 2008, 08:18:31 PM »

No.

That said the government should pay for basic health care, if people can not afford health insurance or are otherwise declined coverage.
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