Should Alaska be given Independence if the majority of the people wish it.

[dead0man]

And if the hippies had their way that wouldn't exist either.  I'm not sure how that refute's his point anyway.  Clearly people on the left don't want to let the Alaskan people use their resources and land as the people of Alaska see fit.  Showing us that Alaskan's have won a past battle in the war means nothing if they are losing the current fight.

[memphis]

And if the hippies had their way that wouldn't exist either.  I'm not sure how that refute's his point anyway.  Clearly people on the left don't want to let the Alaskan people use their resources and land as the people of Alaska see fit.  Showing us that Alaskan's have won a past battle in the war means nothing if they are losing the current fight.

It's not "their" land. It's called the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge because it's federal land.

[dead0man]

Point.

It doesn't change the fact the hippies are stopping Americans (better?) from drilling there or if they had their way, stopping the pipeline you cited from being built in the first place.  You are the one that stated you wanted to keep Alaska because of the natural resources, should we just let them sit in the ground?

[memphis]

Point.

It doesn't change the fact the hippies are stopping Americans (better?) from drilling there or if they had their way, stopping the pipeline you cited from being built in the first place.  You are the one that stated you wanted to keep Alaska because of the natural resources, should we just let them sit in the ground?

Oil is not the only natural resourse in Alaska. We are drilling for oil in parts of Alasks and protecting natural resources, primarily the environment, in other locations.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

No.

[Хahar 🤔]

Yes. Self-determination is an inalienable right (at least until we finally get world government).

[dead0man]

Why would self determination not be an inalienable right under a world government?  What if that world govt didn't have universal health care or voting for anyone under the age of 35 or used 75% of it's resources towards space travel?  Or no guns?  Or no gun laws at all?

[War on Want]

It depends...

[Хahar 🤔]

Why would self determination not be an inalienable right under a world government?  What if that world govt didn't have universal health care or voting for anyone under the age of 35 or used 75% of it's resources towards space travel?  Or no guns?  Or no gun laws at all?

National self-determination, I mean.

[GMantis]

The US paid good money to the Russians for Alaska.

That's one of the most ridiculous thing I ever read on this forum.

[dead0man]

The US paid good money to the Russians for Alaska.

That's one of the most ridiculous thing I ever read on this forum.

Color me confused, but what part of that is so ridiculous?  We might have gotten a good deal on it, but we certainly did pay money to Russians for Alaska.

[perdedor]

Only if we get to replace them with British Columbia

Why would you wish such a thing on British Columbia?

[GMantis]

The US paid good money to the Russians for Alaska.

That's one of the most ridiculous thing I ever read on this forum.

Color me confused, but what part of that is so ridiculous?  We might have gotten a good deal on it, but we certainly did pay money to Russians for Alaska.

The US paid 7.2 million for it - about 300 million today dollars, which is ridiculous for such a valuable territory (and it was valuable even then). The Russians would never have sold it for such a sum if they weren't in a dire financial situational and afraid that the British would seize.

[dead0man]

Right, I read the wiki article on it too.  "Seward's Folly" is one of the few things they teach us in grade school history class.  We got a good deal on it, should we be ashamed of that?

[GMantis]

No, but claiming that you paid good money is quite stupid... especially considering the return on this investment.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

The US paid good money to the Russians for Alaska.

That's one of the most ridiculous thing I ever read on this forum.

Color me confused, but what part of that is so ridiculous?  We might have gotten a good deal on it, but we certainly did pay money to Russians for Alaska.

The US paid 7.2 million for it - about 300 million today dollars, which is ridiculous for such a valuable territory (and it was valuable even then). The Russians would never have sold it for such a sum if they weren't in a dire financial situational and afraid that the British would seize.

What was valuable about it then?

[GMantis]

It was used as a source of pelts.
And the price in today dollars is actually only 90 million.

[minionofmidas]

The US paid good money to the Russians for Alaska.

That's one of the most ridiculous thing I ever read on this forum.

Color me confused, but what part of that is so ridiculous?  We might have gotten a good deal on it, but we certainly did pay money to Russians for Alaska.

What's that to current (white) Alaskans?

Russia payed good money for Georgia too, coopting their nobleman class.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

When Alaska's last drop of oil is sent to the mainland US get rid of em.

[Lunar]

I think the Civil War answered this question realistically.

If I came into your home, held your family hostage at gunpoint and that situation stayed the same for a while would I have moral authority? Would an amount of time lend credibility to the argument that holding hostages is moral or right? In other words, does might equal right?

Of course not.

But note the qualifier, "realistically" - meaning it's infeasible that Alaska could do this.