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« Reply #75 on: August 23, 2008, 02:27:00 AM »

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« Reply #76 on: August 23, 2008, 02:36:30 AM »



The best running mate to combat Biden is Ridge... on many levels.

IMO, if Ridge is the VP Nominee, this election is over.  Obama can never get the electoral vote combination needed to win.  Romney on the ticket would be close to that as well, but Obama's odds would go up.

Is Ridge really that popular in Pennsylvania?

Ridge is very well liked amongst the people that were turned off by Barack in the primary.  Also, Ridge guarantees McCain at least 75% in the Northwest... which, while the Northwest is the least populace of the four corners of the state, that would, none-the-less be very significant.

As I pointed out, also, Ridge is regionally connected.  People across the border is Ohio, who might normally throw their support, volunteers and money behind a Democrat would reconsider with Ridge on the ticket.

Except that Ridge is pro abortion, which matters to a great deal of people, and not just Republicans, outside the Northeast.

Again, Ridge is not "pro abortion"... Ridge is actually pro-life, but his abortion position is very complex.  As I have said, one of Ridges biggest problems is that he is an awful soundbiter.  It takes him 30 minutes to explain his position on chocolate cake.  And Ridge does support limitations on abortion, outright, and he supports near total ban if a certain number of stipulations are met.  Ridge could, quite credibly, say that he opposes Roe, which is something in our corner.
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« Reply #77 on: August 23, 2008, 02:48:47 AM »



The best running mate to combat Biden is Ridge... on many levels.

IMO, if Ridge is the VP Nominee, this election is over.  Obama can never get the electoral vote combination needed to win.  Romney on the ticket would be close to that as well, but Obama's odds would go up.

Is Ridge really that popular in Pennsylvania?

Ridge is very well liked amongst the people that were turned off by Barack in the primary.  Also, Ridge guarantees McCain at least 75% in the Northwest... which, while the Northwest is the least populace of the four corners of the state, that would, none-the-less be very significant.

As I pointed out, also, Ridge is regionally connected.  People across the border is Ohio, who might normally throw their support, volunteers and money behind a Democrat would reconsider with Ridge on the ticket.

Except that Ridge is pro abortion, which matters to a great deal of people, and not just Republicans, outside the Northeast.

Again, Ridge is not "pro abortion"... Ridge is actually pro-life, but his abortion position is very complex.  As I have said, one of Ridges biggest problems is that he is an awful soundbiter.  It takes him 30 minutes to explain his position on chocolate cake.  And Ridge does support limitations on abortion, outright, and he supports near total ban if a certain number of stipulations are met.  Ridge could, quite credibly, say that he opposes Roe, which is something in our corner.

All of which sounds like McCain's position, except (1) McCain has long been more forthright against it and (2) in any event, he can explain his position better -- or, rather, that he can explain it in a way that doesn't let the Democrats do it for him.

Nuance, and all of the eye-blinking and forehead-sweating associated with it, is deadly before a camera. But I have no need to remind you of it.

Remember: the people who care about abortion, who vote GOP and man phones and give money and such, don't want any compromise nuance-type candidate at the top of the ticket. They have enough problems with McCain. I say, pick a pro-lifer who doesn't scare people. Or a woman. From Alaska.

Not to mention, PA -- the whole of the Northeast, really -- was long gone even before today.
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« Reply #78 on: August 23, 2008, 02:56:28 AM »



The best running mate to combat Biden is Ridge... on many levels.

IMO, if Ridge is the VP Nominee, this election is over.  Obama can never get the electoral vote combination needed to win.  Romney on the ticket would be close to that as well, but Obama's odds would go up.

There is NO way that Obama can win against a McCain/Ridge ticket? Really?  I never realized that vice presidents could guarantee an election in August.

Ridge can.  He is hugely popular in PA and he can attract women, especially older women.  He is moderate on abortion, while still anti abortion.  He truly was raised working class and is a decorated veteran of Viet Nam.  When in congress, he represented Erie and down the boarder to outside of Pittsburgh,  He can influence a far chunk of OH as well.  He plays well everyplace and plays strongly in eastern OH and all of PA, excepting the Phila ghettos; he won re-election with the highest GOP vote in the fistory of the state.  He helps with 41 EV's.  He completely neutralizes Biden.

I say McCain/Ridge is facing Obama/Biden, Obama/Biden is facing the perfect political storm, and cannot win. 

You will note that I have never said Obama cannot win before.
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« Reply #79 on: August 23, 2008, 03:01:33 AM »



The best running mate to combat Biden is Ridge... on many levels.

IMO, if Ridge is the VP Nominee, this election is over.  Obama can never get the electoral vote combination needed to win.  Romney on the ticket would be close to that as well, but Obama's odds would go up.

Is Ridge really that popular in Pennsylvania?

Ridge is very well liked amongst the people that were turned off by Barack in the primary.  Also, Ridge guarantees McCain at least 75% in the Northwest... which, while the Northwest is the least populace of the four corners of the state, that would, none-the-less be very significant.

As I pointed out, also, Ridge is regionally connected.  People across the border is Ohio, who might normally throw their support, volunteers and money behind a Democrat would reconsider with Ridge on the ticket.

Except that Ridge is pro abortion, which matters to a great deal of people, and not just Republicans, outside the Northeast.

Again, Ridge is not "pro abortion"... Ridge is actually pro-life, but his abortion position is very complex.  As I have said, one of Ridges biggest problems is that he is an awful soundbiter.  It takes him 30 minutes to explain his position on chocolate cake.  And Ridge does support limitations on abortion, outright, and he supports near total ban if a certain number of stipulations are met.  Ridge could, quite credibly, say that he opposes Roe, which is something in our corner.

All of which sounds like McCain's position, except (1) McCain has long been more forthright against it and (2) in any event, he can explain his position better -- or, rather, that he can explain it in a way that doesn't let the Democrats do it for him.

Nuance, and all of the eye-blinking and forehead-sweating associated with it, is deadly before a camera. But I have no need to remind you of it.

Remember: the people who care about abortion, who vote GOP and man phones and give money and such, don't want any compromise nuance-type candidate at the top of the ticket. They have enough problems with McCain. I say, pick a pro-lifer who doesn't scare people. Or a woman. From Alaska.

Not to mention, PA -- the whole of the Northeast, really -- was long gone even before today.

Picking Ridge puts PA in McCain's pocket.  Signed, sealed, delivered.

Picking Ridge highlights the GOP's effort to reach out to the working class, because, in terms of backgrounds you don't get any more working class than Ridge.

Ridge is a decorated Vietnam Veteran, which increases McCain's strength there.

McCain can effortlessly highlight experience by picking Ridge, whereas Obama fumbled, ineloquently, and practically strained to admit, with his VP choice, that he has none.  This increases the contrast.

Ridge doesn't outshine McCain in any significant category... except height.  Which is good for a VP pick.

Ridge is a good personality match for McCain, and will blend in well with the tempo of the campaign.  Just watch the Obama camp try to get Barack and Biden to match or blend.

Finally, if Saddleback didn't convince social conservatives, then nothing ever will.  The negative reaction against Ridge is coming from the pundants and not voters.  Granted, they turn some heads, but this will all look relatively minor by October.

If Ridge gets enough stump/debate practice, there won't be an fumbling.  He'll be fine.
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« Reply #80 on: August 23, 2008, 03:03:18 AM »
« Edited: August 23, 2008, 03:05:17 AM by Supersoulty »



The best running mate to combat Biden is Ridge... on many levels.

IMO, if Ridge is the VP Nominee, this election is over.  Obama can never get the electoral vote combination needed to win.  Romney on the ticket would be close to that as well, but Obama's odds would go up.

There is NO way that Obama can win against a McCain/Ridge ticket? Really?  I never realized that vice presidents could guarantee an election in August.

Ridge can.  He is hugely popular in PA and he can attract women, especially older women.  He is moderate on abortion, while still anti abortion.  He truly was raised working class and is a decorated veteran of Viet Nam.  When in congress, he represented Erie and down the boarder to outside of Pittsburgh,  He can influence a far chunk of OH as well.  He plays well everyplace and plays strongly in eastern OH and all of PA, excepting the Phila ghettos; he won re-election with the highest GOP vote in the fistory of the state.  He helps with 41 EV's.  He completely neutralizes Biden.

I say McCain/Ridge is facing Obama/Biden, Obama/Biden is facing the perfect political storm, and cannot win. 

You will note that I have never said Obama cannot win before.

I feel validated by knowing that my own humble, original opinions are similar to those of a genuine political professional.  Now if someone would just give me a job.  Smiley
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« Reply #81 on: August 23, 2008, 03:03:58 AM »

Here is the map:



Obama/Biden versus McCain/Ridge
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« Reply #82 on: August 23, 2008, 03:05:05 AM »

Here is the map:



Obama/Biden versus McCain/Ridge

I think Obama/Biden can still win Biden's birth state.
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« Reply #83 on: August 23, 2008, 03:06:21 AM »

Here is the map:



Obama/Biden versus McCain/Ridge

I think Obama/Biden can still win Biden's birth state.

Wow... Biden was born in PA.  Ridge was one of the most popular governors in the history of the state.
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« Reply #84 on: August 23, 2008, 03:06:33 AM »

Here is the map:



Obama/Biden versus McCain/Ridge

I think Obama/Biden can still win Biden's birth state.


I'm pretty sure J.J. was just joking, you know, tongue-in-cheek. At least I hope so.
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« Reply #85 on: August 23, 2008, 03:06:54 AM »



The best running mate to combat Biden is Ridge... on many levels.

IMO, if Ridge is the VP Nominee, this election is over.  Obama can never get the electoral vote combination needed to win.  Romney on the ticket would be close to that as well, but Obama's odds would go up.

There is NO way that Obama can win against a McCain/Ridge ticket? Really?  I never realized that vice presidents could guarantee an election in August.

Ridge can.  He is hugely popular in PA and he can attract women, especially older women.  He is moderate on abortion, while still anti abortion.  He truly was raised working class and is a decorated veteran of Viet Nam.  When in congress, he represented Erie and down the boarder to outside of Pittsburgh,  He can influence a far chunk of OH as well.  He plays well everyplace and plays strongly in eastern OH and all of PA, excepting the Phila ghettos; he won re-election with the highest GOP vote in the fistory of the state.  He helps with 41 EV's.  He completely neutralizes Biden.

I say McCain/Ridge is facing Obama/Biden, Obama/Biden is facing the perfect political storm, and cannot win. 

You will note that I have never said Obama cannot win before.

I feel validated by knowing that my opinions are similar to those of a genuine political professional.  Now if someone would just give me a job.  Smiley

I have not been a professional for years, but I did predict PA correctly in 7 of the last eight times.
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« Reply #86 on: August 23, 2008, 03:07:14 AM »

Here is the map:



Obama/Biden versus McCain/Ridge

Ridge will make Pennsylvania, Ohio, New Hampshire, Iowa and Nevada solid McCain?  Damn, color me impressed.
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« Reply #87 on: August 23, 2008, 03:07:24 AM »

Here is the map:



Obama/Biden versus McCain/Ridge

I think Obama/Biden can still win Biden's birth state.


I'm pretty sure J.J. was just joking, you know, tongue-in-cheek. At least I hope so.

No...I think hes pretty serious here.
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« Reply #88 on: August 23, 2008, 03:09:26 AM »

Here is the map:



Obama/Biden versus McCain/Ridge

I think Obama/Biden can still win Biden's birth state.

Wow... Biden was born in PA.  Ridge was one of the most popular governors in the history of the state.

If it wasn't for the 12 mile circle, Biden would still live in PA.
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« Reply #89 on: August 23, 2008, 03:10:01 AM »

And as I have said, it helps that Ridge is from Erie, because people up there are fanatical hometowners... fanatical.
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« Reply #90 on: August 23, 2008, 03:10:56 AM »

Here is the map:



Obama/Biden versus McCain/Ridge

I think Obama/Biden can still win Biden's birth state.

Wow... Biden was born in PA.  Ridge was one of the most popular governors in the history of the state.

If it wasn't for the 12 mile circle, Biden would still live in PA.

Ummm... okay.
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« Reply #91 on: August 23, 2008, 03:12:30 AM »

Here is the map:



Obama/Biden versus McCain/Ridge

I think Obama/Biden can still win Biden's birth state.

He will, Hawaii.  However, both Bushes,  and Kerry didn't, and VP candidates Edwards, Bentson, Ferarro, Kemp did not win theirs.
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« Reply #92 on: August 23, 2008, 03:13:18 AM »

And as I have said, it helps that Ridge is from Erie, because people up there are fanatical hometowners... fanatical.

So, he'll win Erie County, Pennsylvania, by so much, that the votes will transfer over to Erie County, Ohio.  Tongue
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« Reply #93 on: August 23, 2008, 03:13:57 AM »

Here is the map:



Obama/Biden versus McCain/Ridge

Because Independents in Iowa, Nevada, New Mexico, Colorado and Virginia will just be so very impressed by a former Governor of Pennsylvania tied to the Bush Administration. Screw healthcare and the economy, I like this guy I've never heard of that McCain picked for the #2 slot!
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« Reply #94 on: August 23, 2008, 03:15:09 AM »

Here is the map:



Obama/Biden versus McCain/Ridge

I think Obama/Biden can still win Biden's birth state.

He will, Hawaii.  However, both Bushes,  and Kerry didn't, and VP candidates Edwards, Bentson, Ferarro, Kemp did not win theirs.

The difference is that Obama is up 6 points right now.
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« Reply #95 on: August 23, 2008, 03:16:31 AM »

Here is the map:



Obama/Biden versus McCain/Ridge

I think Obama/Biden can still win Biden's birth state.

He will, Hawaii.  However, both Bushes,  and Kerry didn't, and VP candidates Edwards, Bentson, Ferarro, Kemp did not win theirs.

The difference is that Obama is up 6 points right now.


Get ready to witness the amazing vanishing lead.
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« Reply #96 on: August 23, 2008, 03:17:02 AM »

Here is the map:



Obama/Biden versus McCain/Ridge

I think Obama/Biden can still win Biden's birth state.

He will, Hawaii.  However, both Bushes,  and Kerry didn't, and VP candidates Edwards, Bentson, Ferarro, Kemp did not win theirs.

The difference is that Obama is up 6 points right now.


Get ready to witness the amazing vanishing lead.

Obama only needs to win by 1 vote.
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« Reply #97 on: August 23, 2008, 03:18:07 AM »

Here is the map:



Obama/Biden versus McCain/Ridge

I think Obama/Biden can still win Biden's birth state.

He will, Hawaii.  However, both Bushes,  and Kerry didn't, and VP candidates Edwards, Bentson, Ferarro, Kemp did not win theirs.

The difference is that Obama is up 6 points right now.


Get ready to witness the amazing vanishing lead.

Obama only needs to win by 1 vote.

That's nice, Ridge will probably bring in several hundred thousand, at least.
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« Reply #98 on: August 23, 2008, 03:20:51 AM »

And there is no math that gives Obama a win without PA and Ohio.

Ridge probably brings in the most EV's of any person on either shortlist.
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« Reply #99 on: August 23, 2008, 03:24:41 AM »

And there is no math that gives Obama a win without PA and Ohio.

Ridge probably brings in the most EV's of any person on either shortlist.

     I guess that this isn't a win then:



     I find it to be reasonable. Ridge will have absolutely zero effect in CO, NV, NM, IA, or VA. I figure Obama has at least a 50/50 shot at each of those states anyway.
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