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« Reply #25 on: August 13, 2008, 06:29:46 AM »

Sure, alone you're just individual sticks.  But together, you make a mighty f****t!
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« Reply #26 on: August 13, 2008, 06:49:58 AM »

Sure, alone you're just individual sticks.  But together, you make a mighty f****t!

What did you say?!? Together?!? This word is not in the European vocabulary!

We are all small militarily speaking and the few we have is already occupied, and then see the line above...
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« Reply #27 on: August 13, 2008, 06:54:49 AM »

Self-defense. South Ossetia has been a de facto part of Russia, by its own volition and indeed its own initiative, since Independence. That Georgia's nominal pre-independence boundary was ever recognized internationally as its independent boundary is just a mistake due to lazyness.

Matters are infinitely murkier in Abkhazia, of course, as there, the strong anti-Georgian majority was engendered by (relatively nonfatal, not that that helps the Abkhazians' moral position particularly much) ethnic cleansing.

But on the issue of right and wrong in South Ossetia, there can't really be two opinions.
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« Reply #28 on: August 13, 2008, 11:23:47 AM »

Sure, alone you're just individual sticks.  But together, you make a mighty f****t!

What did you say?!? Together?!? This word is not in the European vocabulary!

We are all small militarily speaking and the few we have is already occupied, and then see the line above...
Sorry.  It's a moderately obscure Simpsons joke.  A "f****t" is a tightly wound bundle of sticks.  link
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« Reply #29 on: August 13, 2008, 12:36:00 PM »

Sure, alone you're just individual sticks.  But together, you make a mighty f****t!

What did you say?!? Together?!? This word is not in the European vocabulary!

We are all small militarily speaking and the few we have is already occupied, and then see the line above...
Sorry.  It's a moderately obscure Simpsons joke.  A "f****t" is a tightly wound bundle of sticks.  link

Well, if it was pejorative, I tend to think you can...
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« Reply #30 on: August 13, 2008, 12:39:07 PM »

Well, if it was pejorative, I tend to think you can...
No, not at all.  Sorry to confuse.
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« Reply #31 on: August 13, 2008, 12:59:55 PM »


Not entirely, as the US really is out to 'get' them.
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« Reply #32 on: August 13, 2008, 03:48:52 PM »
« Edited: August 13, 2008, 04:02:02 PM by B. »

Well, if it was pejorative, I tend to think you can...
No, not at all.  Sorry to confuse.

And to personally explain my thought, I tend to think we can be pejorative concerning the fact that the European entity which is EU do not succeed in creating something which would seem to be some strategic geopolitical power to give an own strength to its voice, or just to can geopolitically act. But for sure to create this we have to know what EU wants to be, which is an other debate...
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« Reply #33 on: August 18, 2008, 09:45:03 AM »

Self-defense. South Ossetia has been a de facto part of Russia, by its own volition and indeed its own initiative, since Independence. That Georgia's nominal pre-independence boundary was ever recognized internationally as its independent boundary is just a mistake due to lazyness.

Matters are infinitely murkier in Abkhazia, of course, as there, the strong anti-Georgian majority was engendered by (relatively nonfatal, not that that helps the Abkhazians' moral position particularly much) ethnic cleansing.

But on the issue of right and wrong in South Ossetia, there can't really be two opinions.

I also think that destroying the Georgian millitary potential, built for exactly such an invasion also was important.
The Russian government also needed to look strong before the various minorities, which weren't very happy with it... though the Ossetians are quite happy now.)
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« Reply #34 on: August 18, 2008, 03:02:30 PM »

The Russians:
A) were annoyed by the expansion of Nato and the EU;
B) were annoyed by Kosovo's independence and thought what the heck, we will 'liberate' South-Ossetia; and
C)were annoyed by Saakashvili's provocations who thought that the US were going to help him. Quod non!
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« Reply #35 on: August 19, 2008, 04:57:13 PM »

The Russians:
A) were annoyed by the expansion of Nato and the EU;
B) were annoyed by Kosovo's independence and thought what the heck, we will 'liberate' South-Ossetia; and
C)were annoyed by Saakashvili's provocations who thought that the US were going to help him. Quod non!

...therefore genocide and pillaging are a perfectly justified response!
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« Reply #36 on: August 19, 2008, 07:46:37 PM »

The Russians:
A) were annoyed by the expansion of Nato and the EU;
B) were annoyed by Kosovo's independence and thought what the heck, we will 'liberate' South-Ossetia; and
C)were annoyed by Saakashvili's provocations who thought that the US were going to help him. Quod non!

...therefore genocide and pillaging are a perfectly justified response!

     Russians are, as a culture, super-paranoid. They would probably find the need to go blow up a village of 10 people & a goat because that village was a threat to Russia.
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« Reply #37 on: August 19, 2008, 11:39:48 PM »

The Russians:
A) were annoyed by the expansion of Nato and the EU;
B) were annoyed by Kosovo's independence and thought what the heck, we will 'liberate' South-Ossetia; and
C)were annoyed by Saakashvili's provocations who thought that the US were going to help him. Quod non!

...therefore genocide and pillaging are a perfectly justified response!
You have a strange definition of genocide.
The Russians:
A) were annoyed by the expansion of Nato and the EU;
B) were annoyed by Kosovo's independence and thought what the heck, we will 'liberate' South-Ossetia; and
C)were annoyed by Saakashvili's provocations who thought that the US were going to help him. Quod non!

...therefore genocide and pillaging are a perfectly justified response!

     Russians are, as a culture, super-paranoid. They would probably find the need to go blow up a village of 10 people & a goat because that village was a threat to Russia.
Overblown Russopobia was always popular here, but this is getting ridiculous.
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« Reply #38 on: August 21, 2008, 02:13:44 AM »

Maybe the media was losing money so they needed an interesting story.
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« Reply #39 on: August 21, 2008, 02:19:56 AM »

They would have just kidnapped a pretty white woman if that were the case.
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« Reply #40 on: August 30, 2008, 09:44:15 AM »

Kremlin announces that South Ossetia will join 'one united Russian state'
Russian soldiers adjust a Russian flag in the South Ossetian city of Tskhinvali (Viktor
Tony Halpin in Moscow

The Kremlin moved swiftly to tighten its grip on Georgia’s breakaway regions yesterday as South Ossetia announced that it would soon become part of Russia, which will open military bases in the province under an agreement to be signed on Tuesday.

Tarzan Kokoity, the province’s Deputy Speaker of parliament, announced that South Ossetia would be absorbed into Russia soon so that its people could live in “one united Russian state” with their ethnic kin in North Ossetia.

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« Reply #41 on: August 30, 2008, 10:11:09 AM »

Yet the goofy Motherland lovers here will still say this is somehow Bush's fault.  Anybody that doesn't think this was Putin's plan the whole time is on crack.

WWIII started 3 weeks ago, we just don't know it yet.
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« Reply #42 on: August 30, 2008, 02:42:12 PM »

If it was Putin's plan all along, Saakashvili deserves to be named the most idiotic leader of the year for trigering the plan.
And considering that you view WWIII inevitable and desirable, the crack smoking jab can be easily applied to you.
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