Juan Valdez rides in style

[CARLHAYDEN]

Just how do illegal entrants enter this country.

Many advocates of open borders would have you believe that the majority of them walk across the border dressed like the old commercial character (sombrero and sandals).

Well, the truth is another matter:
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Couple arrested in ID thefts

2 accused of using stolen documents to rent cars, sell them to smugglers
by Michael Ferraresi - Aug. 5, 2008 12:00 AM
The Arizona Republic

Detectives on Monday announced the arrest of a couple accused of using stolen identities to rent luxury cars, then turning around and selling the vehicles to human smugglers and drug-runners for as little as $300.

Phoenix police have connected the pair to eight cases of auto theft, although the man boasted to investigators he used stolen IDs to rent 50 or more cars he then sold to smugglers, authorities said.

Police say the thefts have led to an emerging trend of "coyotes" using pricier sedans - rather than vans, trucks and SUVs - to maintain a lower profile while crossing the border with undocumented immigrants. 

"All this tied back to human smuggling," said Detective Craig Walker, one of the Phoenix fraud and auto-theft investigators who noted the rise in stolen rental cars.

Walker added that the couple was candid in sharing information with Phoenix detectives. Police said they admitted to some crimes, describing a system of targeting victims with new cars - 2006 or newer - to take stolen documents, immediately open credit lines and rent the vehicles to sell to smugglers for less than $1,000.

"If they targeted these types of people, they figured there would be enough (credit) to live off (for a while)," he said.

Desiree Canez and Richard Somoza were arrested at a Phoenix motel July 25 after the Alamo rental agency activated a GPS device on a rented Infiniti QX56, which led detectives to the couple nearly one month after the vehicle was rented.

Canez, 39, is suspected of using stolen identities to sell several rented vehicles to smugglers. She faces six felony counts of auto theft, in addition to charges of identity theft and trafficking stolen property.

Somoza, 40, faces felony charges in connection with two auto thefts, though police say he told investigators the actual count is in the dozens.

Somoza reportedly dropped a duffle bag with stolen credit cards in a failed attempt to flee police. According to court records, "several profiles that included names, date of birth and account information" were recovered at a Phoenix motel room.

Canez is accused of using the identities of at least two women to fraudulently obtain 2008 model-year cars, including a Ford Mustang, a Dodge Nitro, a Chrysler 300, an Infiniti FX35 and a Mitsubishi Endeavor.

In one case police connected to the suspects, a 41-year-old Valley woman told police she lost her laptop, purse and other personal documents after her vehicle was stolen from a convenience-store parking lot nearly a year ago.

The woman, who did not provide her name because she is active-duty military, said she expects to spend the next couple of years trying to clean up her tarnished credit.

[Cubby]

Carl, you should rent Under the Same Moon. Its a great movie about illegal immigrants. You'd love it.

[CARLHAYDEN]

Pim.

I'll stick with facts and you can stay with fiction.

[Stranger in a strange land]

this just goes to show that no matter how many fences we build, illegal immigrants will just resort to ever more desperate and clever methods - and ever more unscrupulous people - to get into the country.

[CARLHAYDEN]

Stanger,

First, we're talking about illegal entrants, not immigrants.   

Second, as I noted long ago, the best part of a border defensive system is a ditch and berm system I have earlier described, which no limo can sucessfully cross.

Third, under your 'logic,' why bother trying to apprehend mala in se criminals, since there will always be some mala in se crime.

[Stranger in a strange land]

Stanger,

First, we're talking about illegal entrants, not immigrants.   

Second, as I noted long ago, the best part of a border defensive system is a ditch and berm system I have earlier described, which no limo can sucessfully cross.

Third, under your 'logic,' why bother trying to apprehend mala in se criminals, since there will always be some mala in se crime.

to your first point: many of the methods discussed in your article are used by illegal immigrants. They will often pay human smugglers to transport them.

to your second point: I agree with this, this will also reduce smuggling and drug-running.

to your third point: there's a big difference between crossing a border without proper documents and serious crimes like theft, rape, and murder.

[CARLHAYDEN]

Stanger,

First, we're talking about illegal entrants, not immigrants.   

Second, as I noted long ago, the best part of a border defensive system is a ditch and berm system I have earlier described, which no limo can successfully cross.

Third, under your 'logic,' why bother trying to apprehend Mala in se criminals, since there will always be some Mala in se crime.

to your first point: many of the methods discussed in your article are used by illegal immigrants. They will often pay human smugglers to transport them.

to your second point: I agree with this, this will also reduce smuggling and drug-running.

to your third point: there's a big difference between crossing a border without proper documents and serious crimes like theft, rape, and murder.

Stranger,

I think we have a few problems with language:

First, an "immigrant," whether legal or illegal is defined as a person who intends to permanently change their country of residence.

Second, an "illegal alien" is merely a non-American who is not legally present in this country.  This category can be subdivided into those who legally entered this country, but have remained longer than legally permitted (visa expiration, etc.) and those who illegally entered this country (illegal entrants).

Third, many illegal entrants are persons who illegally entered this country for a period of time, and intend (and usually do) depart.  Illegal entrants who fall in this category are "sojourners,@ not immigrants!

Fourth, don't you get it.  Before a visa is issued to a foreign national, a background check should be performed to determine if they have committed crimes before coming to this country. 

Finally, please knock of the PC baloney about "proper documents."  Contrary to your insinuation, they didn't "lose" the "proper documents," but rather never had them because they could never obtain them.

[Stranger in a strange land]

Stanger,

First, we're talking about illegal entrants, not immigrants.   

Second, as I noted long ago, the best part of a border defensive system is a ditch and berm system I have earlier described, which no limo can successfully cross.

Third, under your 'logic,' why bother trying to apprehend Mala in se criminals, since there will always be some Mala in se crime.

to your first point: many of the methods discussed in your article are used by illegal immigrants. They will often pay human smugglers to transport them.

to your second point: I agree with this, this will also reduce smuggling and drug-running.

to your third point: there's a big difference between crossing a border without proper documents and serious crimes like theft, rape, and murder.

Stranger,

I think we have a few problems with language:

First, an "immigrant," whether legal or illegal is defined as a person who intends to permanently change their country of residence.

Second, an "illegal alien" is merely a non-American who is not legally present in this country.  This category can be subdivided into those who legally entered this country, but have remained longer than legally permitted (visa expiration, etc.) and those who illegally entered this country (illegal entrants).

Third, many illegal entrants are persons who illegally entered this country for a period of time, and intend (and usually do) depart.  Illegal entrants who fall in this category are "sojourners,@ not immigrants!

Fourth, don't you get it.  Before a visa is issued to a foreign national, a background check should be performed to determine if they have committed crimes before coming to this country. 

Finally, please knock of the PC baloney about "proper documents."  Contrary to your insinuation, they didn't "lose" the "proper documents," but rather never had them because they could never obtain them.

I never implied anyone had lost documents on this or any other thread. please tell me where you get this idea.

[CARLHAYDEN]

Stanger,

First, we're talking about illegal entrants, not immigrants.   

Second, as I noted long ago, the best part of a border defensive system is a ditch and berm system I have earlier described, which no limo can successfully cross.

Third, under your 'logic,' why bother trying to apprehend Mala in se criminals, since there will always be some Mala in se crime.

to your first point: many of the methods discussed in your article are used by illegal immigrants. They will often pay human smugglers to transport them.

to your second point: I agree with this, this will also reduce smuggling and drug-running.

to your third point: there's a big difference between crossing a border without proper documents and serious crimes like theft, rape, and murder.

Stranger,

I think we have a few problems with language:

First, an "immigrant," whether legal or illegal is defined as a person who intends to permanently change their country of residence.

Second, an "illegal alien" is merely a non-American who is not legally present in this country.  This category can be subdivided into those who legally entered this country, but have remained longer than legally permitted (visa expiration, etc.) and those who illegally entered this country (illegal entrants).

Third, many illegal entrants are persons who illegally entered this country for a period of time, and intend (and usually do) depart.  Illegal entrants who fall in this category are "sojourners,@ not immigrants!

Fourth, don't you get it.  Before a visa is issued to a foreign national, a background check should be performed to determine if they have committed crimes before coming to this country. 

Finally, please knock of the PC baloney about "proper documents."  Contrary to your insinuation, they didn't "lose" the "proper documents," but rather never had them because they could never obtain them.

I never implied anyone had lost documents on this or any other thread. please tell me where you get this idea.

The "proper documents" garbage is pure PC nonsense! 

Perhaps you are merely repeating the nonsense not realizing the significance of it.

It implies that there is merely some minor failure to show or obtain documents.

Truth is, many of the illegal entrants were criminals in their own countries before entering the United States illegally.

They could never get the "documents" because they would be ineligible.