Most economically liberal country in Europe?

[??????????]

Are you proud to live in this countries that steal so much of your hard earned money.

Yes.
I get 35 days paid holiday a year, free health care, paid sick leave and work a 39 hour week. Plus I live in a country with the best comedy and music in the world, lovely country pubs and picturesque villages. Not to mention the best city in the world (London).
The only downers to life in Britain is rain, the class system and yobs.

I get 33 days paid holiday a year (two weeks vacation, two weeks Christmas Bonus and five holiday days, whether I work them or not), I get 12 days of paid sick leave a year, full pay. I work a four days a week with a average of 42 hours. My healthcare costs 50 a week for my whole family and I make 35k a year. I think we are comparable. Maybe you make more then me, I imagine you do cause I think I'm the poorest forumite here. And we have warm weather year round to boot..so .

You tax percent in Finland were roughly 30-35. How much it is in America?

My tax is 10%.

Okey. I surrender. You won.

But I have to check it again. I didn't calculate an exchange rate very accurately. I only counted that 35k dollars is 35K euros. The exchange rate was that about years ago, but has changed since. But I'm pretty sure that in Finland you tax percent wouldn't be lower than 25. We should also notice that costs of living and wages aren't same in Finland and Florida.

How much does it cost to buy a house in a relatively populated part of Finland?

[dubhdara]

And taxing isn't exactly stealing. I accept the working of a democracy.

(Enforced) Taxation is legalized plunder (criminal theft inside of the law) as opposed to illegal plunder (criminal theft outside of the law).

I for one do not believe that one class of people may steal (government) and do no wrong, whilst another class are locked up for it (those who steal privately).

What say ye?

[English]

And taxing isn't exactly stealing. I accept the working of a democracy.

(Enforced) Taxation is legalized plunder (criminal theft inside of the law) as opposed to illegal plunder (criminal theft outside of the law).

I for one do not believe that one class of people may steal (government) and do no wrong, whilst another class are locked up for it (those who steal privately).

What say ye?

In a word, nonsense!
If you don't believe in enforced taxation or indeed any taxation then don't use highways, hospitals, schools, universities, don't have your rubbish collected or street lights around your house illuminated. Don't expect the UK military or police to protect you and don't leave your house at all since you'll be walking on pavements paid for by tax-payers.
You're the one who is stealing, by expecting public services and then not wanting to pay for them!

[dubhdara]

And taxing isn't exactly stealing. I accept the working of a democracy.

(Enforced) Taxation is legalized plunder (criminal theft inside of the law) as opposed to illegal plunder (criminal theft outside of the law).

I for one do not believe that one class of people may steal (government) and do no wrong, whilst another class are locked up for it (those who steal privately).

What say ye?

In a word, nonsense!
If you don't believe in enforced taxation or indeed any taxation then don't use highways, hospitals, schools, universities, don't have your rubbish collected or street lights around your house illuminated. Don't expect the UK military or police to protect you and don't leave your house at all since you'll be walking on pavements paid for by tax-payers.
You're the one who is stealing, by expecting public services and then not wanting to pay for them!

Not nonsense. Nations have not always regulated their affairs in the same manner as we do today

Services can be provided for privately or by governmental user fees if necessary in some cases; and as for such things as armies and constabularies, these can be financed by contractual voluntary taxation.

The bottom line really is this: If I have an inherent and inalienable right to own and control property (freedom), and a reciprocal duty to refrain from violating that right in others, then how can I delegate to government, my servant, a power that does not first exist within me? I cannot take what is not mine, so I cannot authorize my servant government to do it for me.

If theft is entered into by a group rather than an individual it does not make it right. Are groups subject to a different morality than individuals?

Social democracy (socialism), I would submit, is thus incompatible with our natural rights and thus freedom. I want to live in a free world where contracts, including constituions, are established by *voluntary* agreements.

Dubhdara.

[English]

Well, I see your point, however the beaurocracy created to administer a separate billing system for things as diverse as street lighting, sewers and the police would be terrifying. I don't think even hardcore libertarians would advocate such a system. Tax is a necessary evil, it's the simplest means we have of paying for a vast range of services that allow our societies to function on a daily basis.

[dubhdara]

"Necessary evils" only exist because someone or some group is holding to ransom the freedom of others. This can change.

Bureaucracy is a feature of interventionist states, not states where regulation is private and the government merely fulfils the role of protecting the freedom of people to regulate themselves.

Governmental bureaucracy diminishes as government's role in regulating society decreases.

It has been estimated that, in such a system as I have made reference to, taxation levels (which would be uniform) would drop to 5% or less; meanwhile the surge in competition would create lower prices, break down governmental or government-sponsored monoplies, and create greater opportunity and prosperity for all.

Dubhdara.

[??????????]

Dubh is my new hero.

[dubhdara]

LOL.

You might not be saying that after a few more posts - my views are seldom popular

Is that a result of a test in your sig?

Dubhdara.

[??????????]

LOL.

You might not be saying that after a few more posts - my views are seldom popular

Is that a result of a test in your sig?

Dubhdara.

Yes, its called the political compass.

Here is the link :

http://www.politicalcompass.org/

[dubhdara]

LOL.

You might not be saying that after a few more posts - my views are seldom popular

Is that a result of a test in your sig?

Dubhdara.

Yes, its called the political compass.

Here is the link :

http://www.politicalcompass.org/

Thank you - yes, I've been there before now I see it. I'm afraid I can't fill it in because the statements are not very well qualified or too restrictive ;(

[??????????]

LOL.

You might not be saying that after a few more posts - my views are seldom popular

Is that a result of a test in your sig?

Dubhdara.

Yes, its called the political compass.

Here is the link :

http://www.politicalcompass.org/

Thank you - yes, I've been there before now I see it. I'm afraid I can't fill it in because the statements are not very well qualified or too restrictive ;(

Your views may not be popular with a few but they agree with mine almost 95%.

[Felix]

Poland is pretty liberal economically. Combine this with thier social conservatism and it's nearly the perfect country.

[Fmr. Gov. NickG]

Are you proud to live in this countries that steal so much of your hard earned money.

Yes.
I get 35 days paid holiday a year, free health care, paid sick leave and work a 39 hour week. Plus I live in a country with the best comedy and music in the world, lovely country pubs and picturesque villages. Not to mention the best city in the world (London).
The only downers to life in Britain is rain, the class system and yobs.

I get 33 days paid holiday a year (two weeks vacation, two weeks Christmas Bonus and five holiday days, whether I work them or not), I get 12 days of paid sick leave a year, full pay. I work a four days a week with a average of 42 hours. My healthcare costs 50 a week for my whole family and I make 35k a year. I think we are comparable. Maybe you make more then me, I imagine you do cause I think I'm the poorest forumite here. And we have warm weather year round to boot..so .

You tax percent in Finland were roughly 30-35. How much it is in America?

My tax is 10%.

How can your tax only be 10%?  Are you counting payroll taxes?  I'm sure the tax rate Huck Finn is quoting also includes whatever their Social Security equivalent is.

[??????????]

Are you proud to live in this countries that steal so much of your hard earned money.

Yes.
I get 35 days paid holiday a year, free health care, paid sick leave and work a 39 hour week. Plus I live in a country with the best comedy and music in the world, lovely country pubs and picturesque villages. Not to mention the best city in the world (London).
The only downers to life in Britain is rain, the class system and yobs.

I get 33 days paid holiday a year (two weeks vacation, two weeks Christmas Bonus and five holiday days, whether I work them or not), I get 12 days of paid sick leave a year, full pay. I work a four days a week with a average of 42 hours. My healthcare costs 50 a week for my whole family and I make 35k a year. I think we are comparable. Maybe you make more then me, I imagine you do cause I think I'm the poorest forumite here. And we have warm weather year round to boot..so .

You tax percent in Finland were roughly 30-35. How much it is in America?

My tax is 10%.

How can your tax only be 10%?  Are you counting payroll taxes?  I'm sure the tax rate Huck Finn is quoting also includes whatever their Social Security equivalent is.

I fall in the 10% tax bracket on my income tax return.

[Kodratos]

Sweden

[Huckleberry Finn]

Are you proud to live in this countries that steal so much of your hard earned money.

Yes.
I get 35 days paid holiday a year, free health care, paid sick leave and work a 39 hour week. Plus I live in a country with the best comedy and music in the world, lovely country pubs and picturesque villages. Not to mention the best city in the world (London).
The only downers to life in Britain is rain, the class system and yobs.

I get 33 days paid holiday a year (two weeks vacation, two weeks Christmas Bonus and five holiday days, whether I work them or not), I get 12 days of paid sick leave a year, full pay. I work a four days a week with a average of 42 hours. My healthcare costs 50 a week for my whole family and I make 35k a year. I think we are comparable. Maybe you make more then me, I imagine you do cause I think I'm the poorest forumite here. And we have warm weather year round to boot..so .

You tax percent in Finland were roughly 30-35. How much it is in America?

My tax is 10%.

How can your tax only be 10%?  Are you counting payroll taxes?  I'm sure the tax rate Huck Finn is quoting also includes whatever their Social Security equivalent is.

Yes I did. And I still think that States' tax percent would be about 30-35. Which is too much of course.

[nomorelies]

Holland

[cwelsch]

Germany is one of the most intensely regulated countries in the world, and has been for well over a century.