Is Islam a hateful religion?

[True Democrat]

No, of course not.

[JohnFKennedy]

The moderates in the religion are doing nothing to improve their image or their insane leaders and radical wing. Until something changes along those lines, then yes, overall I'd have to say yes. It's nice to say you have moderates and modern thinkers but if they are sitting on the sidelines condemning the actions of their fellow followers then they are just as bad as the radicals.

     You could make the same case about Christianity. Except the moderates in Christianity are leaving the religion instead of doing something about radicals, which just makes Christian radicals stronger. As such, I would say that Muslims in aggregate are without a doubt less hateful than Christians in aggregate.

     The original question though was about Islam, not Muslims. I would not say that Islamic teachings are not overly hateful. Regressive yes, but that can be partially excused considering how long Islam has been around.

Christianity is, in aggregate, nowhere near as violent as Islam is today. There are no stonings or sucide bombings within Christianity, for instance.

What about Indonesia? Armed Christian groups have perpretrated some of the worst interreligious atrocities there, including the initiation of extreme violence in Maluku and Poso. Muslims killed by Christians are all too well represented in the body count for religious violence in the last ten to fifteen years.

[afleitch]

Any 'hate' is ultimately within the individual person, not in the book.

[War on Want]

Bane, what do you base your "facts" on? Even the most evangelical Christians I see on a daily basis don't want to stone people in the streets.

Neither do the most hardcore fundie Muslims I meet. There is a lunatic fringe everywhere.

The Muslim fringe has been a lot more successfull lately.

More people join because they are either poor and desperate or the opposite. In other poor Christian countries, Christians can be quite violent.(especially Africa)

[JohnFKennedy]

Bane, what do you base your "facts" on? Even the most evangelical Christians I see on a daily basis don't want to stone people in the streets.

Neither do the most hardcore fundie Muslims I meet. There is a lunatic fringe everywhere.

The Muslim fringe has been a lot more successfull lately.

What do you mean by 'successful'?

[dead0man]

I may be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure Muslim extremists have had a lot more "success" (in their eyes) in the last decade compared to the violence brought about by Christian extremists.

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

Answer to the poll:

Clearly, No.

One thing that I like in Islam which is not present in Christianity is that it assumes the part of the human which can lead him to make war and it try to give it some rules when Christianity has allowed itself to make war in the name of Christian principles which are the opposite of war.

Then, Islam, Christianity, else. I choose no one, to me these was great spiritualities but they are now just old and unadapted to the reality. They come back because peoples around the world are psychologically lost in the current realities...

I just hope the humanity will be able to find new ways once she will have seen the old ones are obsoletes. The problem would be that to notice that these are dead ends, it could shake a lot...

[DownWithTheLeft]

The religions itself does not appear to be, the leaders and the prominent people in Islam are hateful

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

the leaders and the prominent people in Islam are hateful

No, just a fringe of them, but a fringe which is becoming bigger and bigger, profiting of the headaches of Muslim populations.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

Any 'hate' is ultimately within the individual person, not in the book.

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In general though Islam seems to be less hateful than StatesRights.

[Robespierre's Jaw]

The modern perception of Islam portrays Islam as a hateful religion, but as a whole religious entity the Islamic religion is not a hateful religion.

It reminds me when I had a discussion about Islam with a friend of mine, and he like most people in regards to Islam believes that it is indeed a hateful religion. His examples primarily included martyrs and I believe the September 11 terrorist attacks.

[Хahar 🤔]

The modern perception of Islam portrays Islam as a hateful religion, but as a whole religious entity the Islamic religion is not a hateful religion.

It reminds me when I had a discussion about Islam with a friend of mine, and he like most people in regards to Islam believes that it is indeed a hateful religion. His examples primarily included martyrs and I believe the September 11 terrorist attacks.

And what were yours?

[useful idiot]

Hateful people make religions up to use as a tool through which to express their hate. They can't come up with a good argument so they claim that God holds their opinions, thereby silencing the foolish that might hold an opposing position. Hate is born out of ignorance, and religion is a result of ignorance.

Islam is ignorant, not hateful

[??????????]

Any 'hate' is ultimately within the individual person, not in the book.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

In general though Islam seems to be less hateful than StatesRights.

I don't hate anything.

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

Hateful people make religions up to use as a tool through which to express their hate. They can't come up with a good argument so they claim that God holds their opinions, thereby silencing the foolish that might hold an opposing position.

Agreed

Hate is born out of ignorance

Partly agreed.

You need more than ignorance to make born hate. It sounds to be most of all a cocktail of despair and misery, ignorance is not necessary, but if you add it, for sure it can become nitroglycerine...

Islam is ignorant, not hateful

No, Islam is nothing of this, this just a spirituality, and in this spirituality one of the priority is the... knowledge!

religion is a result of ignorance.

Euh, no.

Religion is the fact that some peoples practice the same spirituality, that they tie their way of life by this one. And I see the spirituality as something which ties the most basic realities to the deepest questions of the Man. Spirituality, when it is well practiced, is a way to the lucidity, to the balance of the mind, to a good construction of the reality. That's anyway how I see things.

Well, OK, the epoch don't help to see things like that, but don't fall in the trap of this epoch...

[useful idiot]

Religion is the fact that some peoples practice the same spirituality, that they tie their way of life by this one. And I see the spirituality as something which ties the most basic realities to the deepest questions of the Man. Spirituality, when it is well practiced, is a way to the lucidity, to the balance of the mind, to a good construction of the reality. That's anyway how I see things.

Far out, man

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Are the majority of Muslims today hateful? Not necessarily. Was the founder? Yes, and a murdering revolting disgusting thug.

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

Religion is the fact that some peoples practice the same spirituality, that they tie their way of life by this one. And I see the spirituality as something which ties the most basic realities to the deepest questions of the Man. Spirituality, when it is well practiced, is a way to the lucidity, to the balance of the mind, to a good construction of the reality. That's anyway how I see things.

Far out, man

Well, it's maybe not the place for this debate, but I maintain, just watch the history the humanity, just try to understand how work a human society, what's its base...

I did a new thread to speak about this question, it is here.

I am by no means an expert of Islam, but I think you can judge a religion on how the majority of it's followers act.

Well, it's a way too see things. Personally when I'm asked "Is Islam a hateful religion? I think about what I know on the spirituality of Islam and I answer... No.

Can we do a hateful, insane, use of Islam? I answer... Yes. But so we can do of Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism (yes, yes, we can), Hinduism or any spirituality you can think about.

I would personally say that Islam is more and more used in hateful and insane aims but is not something insane and hateful.

Was the founder? Yes, and a murdering revolting disgusting thug.

Well, easy caricature.

He was someone who established a great evolution for the human being in Arabia at the time by new rules for the concrete life and new intellectual perspectives, then he was someone who fought for what he found good as did the founders of the USA...

[??????????]

I am by no means an expert of Islam, but I think you can judge a religion on how the majority of it's followers act.

Well, it's a way too see things. Personally when I'm asked "Is Islam a hateful religion? I think about what I know on the spirituality of Islam and I answer... No.

Can we do a hateful, insane, use of Islam? I answer... Yes. But so we can do of Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism (yes, yes, we can), Hinduism or any spirituality you can think about.

I would personally say that Islam is more and more used in hateful and insane aims but is not something insane and hateful.

My argument for that statement is simply what a religion does for the people that follow it.  If the majority of the followers, regardless of the doctrine, are insane crazy nut cases..then in my opinion that certain religion isn't doing any favors for the people.  If the people following the faith are good people, then the religion is making a good impact on the lives of everyone.

Yep, pretty much the point I've been making. If the moderates are doing nothing to change the situation on the ground they are irrelevant and aren't even worth discussing.

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

OK, so, in your way to see things we can say that according to the epoch all the religions are hateful and/or insane...

[??????????]

OK, so, in your way to see things we can say that according to the epoch all the religions are hateful and/or insane...

No. Christianity is led and followed mostly by moderates.

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

OK, so, in your way to see things we can say that according to the epoch all the religions are hateful and/or insane...

No. Christianity is led and followed mostly by moderates.

Has it always been?

[??????????]

OK, so, in your way to see things we can say that according to the epoch all the religions are hateful and/or insane...

No. Christianity is led and followed mostly by moderates.

Has it always been?

Not necessarily but that's not the issue we're discussing either.

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

I just wanted to point that you can't say that something is like that just because people make bad thing with this thing at one time.

You can't say that Christianity is hateful, far, but on some times it had been used in hateful aims.

I would like the same thing to be said for Islam. The spirituality is not hateful but it is currently more and more gained by peoples in hateful aims.

From this, one more time, to the question: "Is Islam a hateful religion", I answer clearly: "No".

Well, OK, after we might not agree all the same. I would have tried to defend my point of view...

[Хahar 🤔]

I am by no means an expert of Islam, but I think you can judge a religion on how the majority of it's followers act.

Well, it's a way too see things. Personally when I'm asked "Is Islam a hateful religion? I think about what I know on the spirituality of Islam and I answer... No.

Can we do a hateful, insane, use of Islam? I answer... Yes. But so we can do of Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism (yes, yes, we can), Hinduism or any spirituality you can think about.

I would personally say that Islam is more and more used in hateful and insane aims but is not something insane and hateful.

My argument for that statement is simply what a religion does for the people that follow it.  If the majority of the followers, regardless of the doctrine, are insane crazy nut cases..then in my opinion that certain religion isn't doing any favors for the people.  If the people following the faith are good people, then the religion is making a good impact on the lives of everyone.

Yep, pretty much the point I've been making. If the moderates are doing nothing to change the situation on the ground they are irrelevant and aren't even worth discussing.

The problem is that there is no centralized authority of any sort. The extremism, thus, isn't because of Islam. Whenever condidtions are bad, people turn to radicalism. In the Middle East, the easiest form is Islam. In Northern Ireland circa 1970, it was Christianity. It has to do with religion in general, not the religion itself.