1928: Who would you have voted for?

[RINO Tom]

I think I would be a pretty damn big hack good party man at this time, so easy vote for Hoover.

[TDAS04]

Smith without hindsight, Hoover with.

[Agonized-Statism]

Probably Norman Thomas, maybe William Foster.

[Wazza [INACTIVE]]

Hoover

[Left Wing]

Depends on if I am being sent back in time and have future knowledge or if I am living as someone in that time who doesn't know what is going to happen.

[Storr]

Smith, but imagine how things would be different if Smith won. What would happen during the depression and WWII?

[Podgy the Bear]

Hard to say.  As a Catholic--would have favored Smith--which clearly made significant voting shifts throughout the country. 

But if I were voting in 1924, I would have probably voted for Coolidge, and the ongoing prosperity (or illusion of it) would have convinced not to change horses and to vote for Hoover in 1928. 

[RINO Tom]

Smith, but imagine how things would be different if Smith won. What would happen during the depression and WWII?

Hot take: the Great Depression and its end/World War II likely play out effectively the same no matter who is President, with the main differences just being how much each President intervenes in the economy but with all of them intervening.  (Remember, Hoover was VERY interventionist after 1929, actually.)

[OSR stands with Israel]

Smith, but imagine how things would be different if Smith won. What would happen during the depression and WWII?

Hot take: the Great Depression and its end/World War II likely play out effectively the same no matter who is President, with the main differences just being how much each President intervenes in the economy but with all of them intervening.  (Remember, Hoover was VERY interventionist after 1929, actually.)

Um no , Smith would not have let the Bank of the United States fail which set of the major banking runs. Smith wouldnt have signed Smoot-Haley into law which was a disaster of a bill at a time when anything imports or exports was needed and Smith wouldnt have named Eugene Meyer to head the Fed who persued a tight money  policy

[S019]

Hoover

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

Smith, among other reasons, as a " you" to the Klan.

[RINO Tom]

Smith, but imagine how things would be different if Smith won. What would happen during the depression and WWII?

Hot take: the Great Depression and its end/World War II likely play out effectively the same no matter who is President, with the main differences just being how much each President intervenes in the economy but with all of them intervening.  (Remember, Hoover was VERY interventionist after 1929, actually.)

Um no , Smith would not have let the Bank of the United States fail which set of the major banking runs. Smith wouldnt have signed Smoot-Haley into law which was a disaster of a bill at a time when anything imports or exports was needed and Smith wouldnt have named Eugene Meyer to head the Fed who persued a tight money  policy

Bro, I like you as a poster, but give people the benefit of the doubt that they aren't simpletons when you respond to them, eh?  How can you read your response as critiquing anything I said?  I'm genuinely curious, haha.  I said the END of the Great Depression plays out the same, because what ended the Great Depression was World War II, and we join World War II under any POTUS.  I then said the only differences would be the degree to which each President would intervene into the economy, with each one intervening to a certain degree.

Do you not see it as odd how VAGUE my post was and how ridiculously specific your response was?  I don't care to discuss Taft-Hartley with you, haha, and that was not at all in any way the point of my post.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Smith, but imagine how things would be different if Smith won. What would happen during the depression and WWII?

Hot take: the Great Depression and its end/World War II likely play out effectively the same no matter who is President, with the main differences just being how much each President intervenes in the economy but with all of them intervening.  (Remember, Hoover was VERY interventionist after 1929, actually.)

Um no , Smith would not have let the Bank of the United States fail which set of the major banking runs. Smith wouldnt have signed Smoot-Haley into law which was a disaster of a bill at a time when anything imports or exports was needed and Smith wouldnt have named Eugene Meyer to head the Fed who persued a tight money  policy

Bro, I like you as a poster, but give people the benefit of the doubt that they aren't simpletons when you respond to them, eh?  How can you read your response as critiquing anything I said?  I'm genuinely curious, haha.  I said the END of the Great Depression plays out the same, because what ended the Great Depression was World War II, and we join World War II under any POTUS.  I then said the only differences would be the degree to which each President would intervene into the economy, with each one intervening to a certain degree.

Do you not see it as odd how VAGUE my post was and how ridiculously specific your response was?  I don't care to discuss Taft-Hartley with you, haha, and that was not at all in any way the point of my post.

The Great Depression would have just been the Great Recession if the government took actions too stop the Banks from failing in 1930 which actually contributed more to the depression than the 1929 crash did ,  the fed pursued a tight money policy due to the fact that Eugene Meyer was appointed to head the fed, and smoot hawley also made importing/exporting goods very difficult .

Compared to the decline of roughly one-third in the quantity of
money from late 1930 to early 1933, the decline in the quantity
of money up to October 1930 seems mild—a mere 2.6 percent

http://www.proglocode.unam.mx/sites/proglocode.unam.mx/files/docencia/Milton%20y%20Rose%20Friedman%20-%20Free%20to%20Choose.pdf

Its clear from this the failure to save the banks in the Fall of 1930 and Winter of 1931 set of the Depression. The reason it took a long time to recover was because of the fact that by early 1933 the shape of financial system was so bad that credit in general was extremely difficult to access which makes it extremely difficult for the economy to recover


If the Government allowed AIG to fail in 2008 and didnt bailout the banks in 2008 then we would have had a repeat of the depression and possibly even worse(Bernanke himself said so)

[Lechasseur]

Smith

[President Biden Democrat]

I probably would have voted for Hoover, as the country at the time was doing very well under President Coolidge. I'm also not a huge fan of Al Smith, so I would have voted for the Republican, Hoover, given that I would have not known what was going to happen next (Great Depression)

[Alben Barkley]

The one who wanted to let me drink.

[SingingAnalyst]

Al Smith (D).

In 1928, northern Blacks and Jews, both of which had been heavily Republican in 1920 and 1924, joined Catholics in voting for Al Smith.

The main difference between 1928 and 1984 is that, by 1984, most white Catholics had forgotten that they were minorities.

[foolcase]

Hoover probably

[RINO Tom]

Al Smith (D).

In 1928, northern Blacks and Jews, both of which had been heavily Republican in 1920 and 1924, joined Catholics in voting for Al Smith.

The main difference between 1928 and 1984 is that, by 1984, most white Catholics had forgotten that they were minorities.

Err, where are you getting that data?  Monolithic GOP support from Black voters had actually evaporated by the 1890s from what I have seen in the past, but FDR in 1936 is generally accepted as the first Democrat to ever win a plurality ... Hoover even won them in 1932, and I highly doubt he lost them in 1928.

[Alcibiades]

Al Smith (D).

In 1928, northern Blacks and Jews, both of which had been heavily Republican in 1920 and 1924, joined Catholics in voting for Al Smith.

The main difference between 1928 and 1984 is that, by 1984, most white Catholics had forgotten that they were minorities.

Err, where are you getting that data?  Monolithic GOP support from Black voters had actually evaporated by the 1890s from what I have seen in the past, but FDR in 1936 is generally accepted as the first Democrat to ever win a plurality ... Hoover even won them in 1932, and I highly doubt he lost them in 1928.

Also, according to this site (https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jewish-voting-record-in-u-s-presidential-elections), a majority of Jews voted Davis in 1924, with the rest fairly evenly split between Coolidge and LaFollette, while in 1920, Harding did indeed win a plurality (43%), but was closely followed by the Socialist Debs on 38%. Cox only got 19%.

Jews were certainly not “heavily Republican” in 1920 or 1924, although it must be said Al Smith hugely improved with them, turning a Democrat-leaning group into a solidly D one.

[Mr. Smith]

Al Smith (D).

In 1928, northern Blacks and Jews, both of which had been heavily Republican in 1920 and 1924, joined Catholics in voting for Al Smith.

The main difference between 1928 and 1984 is that, by 1984, most white Catholics had forgotten that they were minorities.

Jews voted for Wilson and Davis well before that. Indeed, Jews might just well be the oldest still voting-D bloc there is.

[TDAS04]

Al Smith (D).

In 1928, northern Blacks and Jews, both of which had been heavily Republican in 1920 and 1924, joined Catholics in voting for Al Smith.

The main difference between 1928 and 1984 is that, by 1984, most white Catholics had forgotten that they were minorities.

Jews voted for Wilson and Davis well before that. Indeed, Jews might just well be the oldest still voting-D bloc there is.

I think Jews were more Republican than Catholics prior to that era, and they supported TR.  That was when American Jews were primarily of German origin.

[Orwell]

Hoover! I don't want the Pope running our nation!

[Use Your Illusion]

The Democrats had just 2 presidents and 4 combined terms in 72 years from 1861 to 1933 and were well on their way to continuing that pace in the Hoover years. Unless you were in the 1/3 of the country was in Political Machine territory or Jim Crow south, you had ZERO reasons to support them. It's not a wonder they could rarely win elections. If it wasn't for them, the Democratic Party would've probably been dead.


All said, definitely would have voted for Hoover

[MATTROSE94]

I am not sure without hindsight, as I am a product of the context in which I live. With hindsight, easily Al Smith, as Herbert Hoover was one of the worst Presidents who ever served (Herbert Hoover was a white supremacist, was economically illiterate, and implemented policies that worsened the Great Depression). I think that Al Smith would have pursued different economic policies that would have softened the blow of the Grea Depression and would have been much better on civil rights that Herbert Hoover.