City Hall

[Хahar 🤔]

We are now opening nominations for Mayor. Anyone can nominate a council member. All nominations must be seconded by one person other than the nominee (two, if a self-nomination). This stage shall last 72 hours.

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Afleitch

[Colin]

We are now opening nominations for Mayor. Anyone can nominate a council member. All nominations must be seconded by one person other than the nominee (two, if a self-nomination). This stage shall last 72 hours.

Uhh...Xahar. At least two people, myself and someone else, have already stated that they are running for the post about 5 pages ago. Also who died and made you king? Your mommy might tell you you're special but I'd rather have afleitch have the honours of starting this up if he wants, he did create it after all.

[Хahar 🤔]

We are now opening nominations for Mayor. Anyone can nominate a council member. All nominations must be seconded by one person other than the nominee (two, if a self-nomination). This stage shall last 72 hours.

Uhh...Xahar. At least two people, myself and someone else, have already stated that they are running for the post about 5 pages ago. Also who died and made you king? Your mommy might tell you you're special but I'd rather have afleitch have the honours of starting this up if he wants, he did create it after all.

That was the reason I waited so long. But nothing's happened, so I figured I might as well get it moving.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Yeah - what's the go?

Andrew's awau for the week.

[Хahar 🤔]

Yeah - what's the go?

Andrew's awau for the week.

OK. (A thread would've been nice.)

[2952-0-0]

Should we migrate of an offsite forum? It will get very confusing if we have one thread.

[12th Doctor]

Should we migrate of an offsite forum? It will get very confusing if we have one thread.

We could start multiple threads.  I would rather keep everything on this site.  I would feel less motivated to show up at another forum.

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Should we migrate of an offsite forum? It will get very confusing if we have one thread.

We could start multiple threads.  I would rather keep everything on this site.  I would feel less motivated to show up at another forum.

^^^

[aussieboy]

I, aussieboy, announce my candidacy for Mayor under the Katholieke Unie banner.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Cric... no. actually. don't mention cricket. bad. bad. bad. all is pain...

[Left-Wing Blogger]

C'mon people. Let's get this party STARTED! Especially my political party...

(No. I'm not running for mayor. Can we just be a bit more active than the dinosaurs?)

[Хahar 🤔]

C'mon people. Let's get this party STARTED! Especially my political party...

(No. I'm not running for mayor. Can we just be a bit more active than the dinosaurs?)

Agreed.

But I wasn't aware of any parties of yours.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Crickets continue to chirp. A shame really.

Andrew; be this dead? Because if it is, I'll setup something else based on the same general idea though in a different imagined city.

[afleitch]

Crickets continue to chirp. A shame really.

Andrew; be this dead? Because if it is, I'll setup something else based on the same general idea though in a different imagined city.

I hope not. But the truth is I hit a brick wall as so often happens when I let things go and try to let them sail under their own steam. It just seems to work on paper only. Any ideas would be helpful. What's your idea Al? I certainly wouldn't mind cannibalising this...

[Filuwaúrdjan]

What's your idea Al? I certainly wouldn't mind cannibalising this...

The city itself would be quite different (based very loosely around Birmingham and the western half of "Sandwell"... perhaps Solihull as well), though with interesting elements from other cities also) and the starting point of the game would be a large (and resented by the places being absorbed) expansion of city limits. So you'd have a (at least) three-way conflict of interest on the council between the inner city, the better off suburbs and the old manufacturing towns (with none of the three strong enough to totally dominate). An ethnic element could be added as well. I'd also head down the route of making people adopt or invent characters, while also having various NPC roles. Various forms of corruption would be endemic, obviously, though the sort of corruption would depend on the sort of character. And so on.

[afleitch]

What's your idea Al? I certainly wouldn't mind cannibalising this...

The city itself would be quite different (based very loosely around Birmingham and the western half of "Sandwell"... perhaps Solihull as well), though with interesting elements from other cities also) and the starting point of the game would be a large (and resented by the places being absorbed) expansion of city limits. So you'd have a (at least) three-way conflict of interest on the council between the inner city, the better off suburbs and the old manufacturing towns (with none of the three strong enough to totally dominate). An ethnic element could be added as well. I'd also head down the route of making people adopt or invent characters, while also having various NPC roles. Various forms of corruption would be endemic, obviously, though the sort of corruption would depend on the sort of character. And so on.

Interesting (sees potential to ram the Glasgow experience into that) You could rewind the clock a bit to the 50's/60's and have the old Victorian city the subject of the great post-war planning experiment, Though it would mean people having to intentionally make what would later be mistakes.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

You could rewind the clock a bit to the 50's/60's and have the old Victorian city the subject of the great post-war planning experiment,

Tempting. Yes. Very tempting. And, of course, doing that means that the ethnic element can be suddenly injected into the game, upsetting the balance of things in the way it did (and does in real life).

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Yes... but I think that that should be fairly easy when issues are presented in a certain way (ie; building houses quickly = vote winner).

[afleitch]

You could rewind the clock a bit to the 50's/60's and have the old Victorian city the subject of the great post-war planning experiment,

Tempting. Yes. Very tempting. And, of course, doing that means that the ethnic element can be suddenly injected into the game, upsetting the balance of things in the way it did (and does in real life).

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Yes... but I think that that should be fairly easy when issues are presented in a certain way (ie; building houses quickly = vote winner).

In Glasgow it has emerged that some councillors of a certain political persuasion were able to manipulate planning laws and build say 2 stonking working class tower blocs on spare land in Glasgow suburbia. Their marginal ward became safer..and safer still as suburbia uprooted and moved away (read - Cathcart) That would be an interesting angle.

As for the race issue, most forumites are sound enough to 'play' petty racists in a game like this. Besides decisions made based on race were rarely in public or on paper recorded as such. And of course if you're basing it on Birmingham expect little Powellites to pop up at some point...

[Filuwaúrdjan]

In Glasgow it has emerged that some councillors of a certain political persuasion were able to manipulate planning laws and build say 2 stonking working class tower blocs on spare land in Glasgow suburbia. Their marginal ward became safer..and safer still as suburbia uprooted and moved away (read - Cathcart)

lol

Not surprising at all, but amusing despite that.

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Yes... yes... it would...

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The curious thing about Brum is that many of those people were members of the Liberal Party (grouped around "Governor" Wallace Lawler).

Anyway, I might go off and doodle a few test maps or something now.

[afleitch]

Have you settled on a name? That's what stalled mine from the start

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Have you settled on a name? That's what stalled mine from the start

Tempted to go with Chamberlain, but I'm not sure if everyone would get the joke... Arden seems possible though. Could add a generic place name ending to that; Ardensley, Ardenby, Ardenham, Ardenton, etc.

A (very) rough map of the city just to get a feel for things...


Map just shows the boundaries of the city, plus those of the boroughs that it's about to swallow up (much to the anger of people in those three boroughs). It also shows the location of the CBD and the "inner city". It's obviously like Brum, but isn't quite...

[afleitch]

Have you settled on a name? That's what stalled mine from the start

Tempted to go with Chamberlain, but I'm not sure if everyone would get the joke... Arden seems possible though. Could add a generic place name ending to that; Ardensley, Ardenby, Ardenham, Ardenton, etc.

A (very) rough map of the city just to get a feel for things...


Map just shows the boundaries of the city, plus those of the boroughs that it's about to swallow up (much to the anger of people in those three boroughs). It also shows the location of the CBD and the "inner city". It's obviously like Brum, but isn't quite...

Yeah, I can see the resemblance And Chamberlain would be a good name though it may prompt the need for say Gisella Park or something It makes it easier of course when it comes to the feel of the city. If it's the same layout as Birmingham, I could live in the blue bit, but that might be too much even for me. The south part of the city proper would probably be more to my liking.

There's something, stable about Birmingham style politics (stable is really not the right word but I think you know what I'm getting at) I notice it doesn't have a 'Solihull' - it might be worthwhile addition, unless that can be included elsewhere within the map.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Yeah, I can see the resemblance And Chamberlain would be a good name though it may prompt the need for say Gisella Park or something It makes it easier of course when it comes to the feel of the city. If it's the same layout as Birmingham, I could live in the blue bit, but that might be too much even for me. The south part of the city proper would probably be more to my liking.

I would have thought more inner south, than outer south. Outer south is mostly white flight suburbia.

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There's a curious stability that comes from instability. A certain party is in power most of the time, but always loses office when it happens to be in power nationally. And most wards are competitive except in exceptional years (a '68 or a '95). And the main strongholds of the respective parties tend to stay the same for ages.

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It will be included it's just a matter of working out where to draw the line, so to speak. I'm not sure how far out into darkest suburbia the boundary should go, and I'm not sure whether to include a "Chelmsley Wood" or not... no... that's stupid. Chelmsley Wood is a '60's estate. Aha...

[12th Doctor]

You could rewind the clock a bit to the 50's/60's and have the old Victorian city the subject of the great post-war planning experiment,

Tempting. Yes. Very tempting. And, of course, doing that means that the ethnic element can be suddenly injected into the game, upsetting the balance of things in the way it did (and does in real life).

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Yes... but I think that that should be fairly easy when issues are presented in a certain way (ie; building houses quickly = vote winner).

One does wonder if people in the 1950's honestly didn't think that rapid exodus from the cities wasn't going to cause a whole host of problems for everyone.  Did they honestly think it was going to make things better? (Clearly they did, but I wonder how this logic came about)