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« Reply #1150 on: September 02, 2009, 05:18:03 PM »

Wait, I am a little confused by R-71... Doesn't it take away some rights given to gay couples? I thought it was the kind of thing that would overwhelmingly be rejected by Washingtonians, also why are liberals in that poll so strongly in favor?

Or am I just confused?
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« Reply #1151 on: September 02, 2009, 06:25:49 PM »

Wait, I am a little confused by R-71... Doesn't it take away some rights given to gay couples? I thought it was the kind of thing that would overwhelmingly be rejected by Washingtonians, also why are liberals in that poll so strongly in favor?

Or am I just confused?

The Legislature passed a bill granting same-sex couples all the same rights as marriages (except they called them domestic partnerships). Anti-gay rights folks then succeeded in putting it on the ballot as a referendum, giving the people the same vote as the Legislature. So an "Approve" vote is to approve the law the Legislature passed and a "Reject" vote is to reject the law.

So those who want to get a referendum on the ballot then want people to vote "Reject". This is different from an initiative where those who want to get it on the ballot then want people to vote "Yes".
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« Reply #1152 on: September 02, 2009, 09:03:37 PM »

Easy way to remember it/explain it to others.  In Washington:

A referendum refers an issue to the ballot, where voters get to confirm whether they want that law -- approve or reject.

An initiative initiates an issue.  The citizenry (as opposed to the legislature) drafts the propose law, which may relate to pre-existing legislation, or not.  Votes decide whether to vote "yes" or "no" on the newly-initiated legislation.
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« Reply #1153 on: September 03, 2009, 11:20:47 AM »
« Edited: September 03, 2009, 11:48:11 PM by realisticidealist »

This is just disgusting. I might just go and protest this.

EDIT: Version from the Seattle Times
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« Reply #1154 on: September 03, 2009, 11:24:53 AM »

LOL. They're trying too hard to enter joke status.
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« Reply #1155 on: September 03, 2009, 11:36:40 AM »

http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/why-do-you-hate-me/Content?oid=2156227

*begins to cry*
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« Reply #1156 on: September 03, 2009, 02:10:55 PM »


WTF Glenn Beck is a Washingtonian? *BARF* just goes to show that NW Republicans truly are insane.


ROFL at the last one... When did MODU move back to Washington?
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« Reply #1157 on: September 03, 2009, 02:24:44 PM »

LOL Glenn Beck was a DJ for Kube 93? wtf
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« Reply #1158 on: September 03, 2009, 03:15:54 PM »

I hope Washington does not legalize sodomy.
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« Reply #1159 on: September 03, 2009, 03:18:45 PM »

I hope Washington does not legalize sodomy.

Perhaps he was referring to horse sodomy, which we did in fact ban in 2005 after a nasty incident at "The Funny Farm" in Enumclaw.

I mean, he's from Colville after all. It's a big problem out there.
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« Reply #1160 on: September 03, 2009, 03:30:24 PM »

Omg you guys, I know this guy is in New York, but since we're on the subject, read the e-mail this guy got:

http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2009/09/letter-from-christwirecom.html

He doesn't think gays are literate or sober enough to read the news after a night of sex raves.
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« Reply #1161 on: September 03, 2009, 03:58:15 PM »

Omg you guys, I know this guy is in New York, but since we're on the subject, read the e-mail this guy got:

http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2009/09/letter-from-christwirecom.html

He doesn't think gays are literate or sober enough to read the news after a night of sex raves.

That's pretty hilarious, but it is satire Tongue
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« Reply #1162 on: September 04, 2009, 11:13:48 PM »

Well, spank me and call me Susan, I did not expect this:

Hutchison 47%
Constantine 44%

Hutchison leads Republicans 67-21 but trails Democrats only 33-61.  She picks up about a quarter of liberals, and narrowly wins moderates.  She absolutely slaughters among non-college graduates and trails moderately among that group.  Income tows education a bit; Hutchison, unsurprisingly, does just a bit among the comfortable than the working-class.

No regional breakdown, which is kind of a bummer.  Maybe they'll console us with a Seattle mayor poll in the next few days.
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« Reply #1163 on: September 04, 2009, 11:46:00 PM »

Hutchison polled about 5-7 behind what the polls said she would get in the primary... I could see her getting 40-42%.

But whatev, I'm still 99.999% sure she'll lose.

also, she's apparently winning 76% of the black vote. lolz
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« Reply #1164 on: September 08, 2009, 08:42:33 PM »

Hutchison
High points: Milton (60.7%), Pacific (59.6%), Black Diamond (55.2%).
Low points: Seattle (20.3%), Beaux Arts Village (28.3%), Mercer Island (28.4%).

Constantine
High points: Seattle (41.7%), Burien (34.7%), Normandy Park (27.4%).
Low points: Hunts Point (1.6%), Medina (3.9%), Clyde Hill (5.0%).

Jarrett
High points: Mercer Island (50.2%), Beaux Arts Village (38.4%), Newcastle (31.1%).
Low points: Milton (4.2%), Skykomish (6.0%), Yarrow Point (6.3%)

Phillips
High points: Skykomish (18.0%), Seattle (16.1%), Shoreline (15.6%).
Low points: Beaux Arts Village (2.0%), Medina (2.5%), Yarrow Point (4.6%).

Hunter
High points: Medina (48.9%), Yarrow Point (40.7%), Hunts Point (40.5%).
Low points: Milton (4.8%), Burien (5.8%), Mercer Island (6.4%).

Lobdell
High points: Covington (8.4%), Black Diamond (7.3%), Algona (6.8%).
Low points: Yarrow Point (0.0%), Medina (0.5%), Clyde Hill (0.9%).

Who knew Alan Lobdell had a base?
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« Reply #1165 on: September 08, 2009, 09:39:19 PM »

Any recent polls on the Seattle mayoral race? 
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« Reply #1166 on: September 09, 2009, 02:52:54 PM »

Any recent polls on the Seattle mayoral race? 

No, SUSA did a standalone Exec poll but we've had nothing about Mayor.
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« Reply #1167 on: September 09, 2009, 04:12:49 PM »

The Seattle Times was kind enough to make 2009 maps unlike stupid Alcon... Smiley

King County Executive: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2009/09/09/2009832174.pdf

Seattle  Mayor: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2009/09/09/2009831662.pdf
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« Reply #1168 on: September 09, 2009, 06:37:22 PM »

I think Alcon had SARS or something right after the election so I'll give him a break. Cool maps though.
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« Reply #1169 on: September 09, 2009, 06:43:13 PM »

I didn't have SARS, I had college, but they do have similar symptoms Sad

I just got an old laptop JUST for GIS.  I will make maps when I give up on having a social life and doing well in school, which I expect will be by next Tuesday.
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« Reply #1170 on: September 10, 2009, 02:19:57 AM »

Brad Owen sucks, Part XXV: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politicsnorthwest/2009833043_wes_uhlman_brad_owen_endorse_h.html
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« Reply #1171 on: September 10, 2009, 06:21:10 PM »

LEE HAMILTON?!? One of the greatest foriegn policy minds in congress during the last 20 years, co-chair of the 9/11 Commission and the Iraq Study Group, and who endorsed Obama in the primary is backing a hardcore creationist?!? To say nothing of why a retired congressman would get involved in a county exec race from a state 2000 miles from his own?

Must either be a close family friend or...no, I won't go there.

Either way, I fear King County may be on the verge of electing its own NW Washington version of Marilyn Musgrave.
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« Reply #1172 on: September 10, 2009, 07:38:04 PM »
« Edited: September 10, 2009, 07:39:58 PM by Alcon »

Bag tax map:



I'm going to be making my own because these colors are too limited (precinct results ranged from 9.8% at a Southeast Seattle precinct to 76.5% at one in Wallingford.)  The sliver precinct by Boeing Field also had no votes, not strong approval
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« Reply #1173 on: September 12, 2009, 04:33:59 PM »


I am not surprised that Owen would endorse Hutchison as my opinion of him was already low.  As a Democrat, I am embarrassed that he is in our party. 

I wouldn't worry about that Survey USA poll.  Once the Democratic Machine starts grinding Hutchison will be crushed.  She is a pathetically easy target.  The average person is paying little to no attention to this race at this point, most Democratic voters are unaware of Hutchison's (lack of) policy plans, her embarrassing statements/actions and her political affiliations.  That will likely change soon.
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« Reply #1174 on: September 12, 2009, 05:07:43 PM »


I am not surprised that Owen would endorse Hutchison as my opinion of him was already low.  As a Democrat, I am embarrassed that he is in our party. 

I wouldn't worry about that Survey USA poll.  Once the Democratic Machine starts grinding Hutchison will be crushed.  She is a pathetically easy target.  The average person is paying little to no attention to this race at this point, most Democratic voters are unaware of Hutchison's (lack of) policy plans, her embarrassing statements/actions and her political affiliations.  That will likely change soon.

I'm not worried, either. Looking at this past primary as well as the 2005 election, Republican candidates tend to over poll by at least 5 points.
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