Hillary booed at WV speech

[SomeLawStudent]

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignmatters/318585/a_change_is_gonna_come

Excerpt from Obama's speech YESTERDAY:

"Obama spoke of dignity and work and the America he loves. He spoke of the America that isn't about game playing or slicing and dicing and name calling or spin and division and distraction"

I'm sure Obama will follow up with these name-callers as he's trying to change politics as usual.

[SomeLawStudent]

I love Democrats. They are so open to tolerance, Democracy and freedom to speech and such, yet when you disagree with them, you get ridiculed, booed, heckled, etc .. what a joke of a party. I guess loons need somewhere to go and they formed the Democrat party.

I've always leaned democrat because I agree with them more on the issues.  But this is sounding more and more accurate every day.  Especially since I have been called a racist repeatedly because I won't vote for Obama.  Then they wonder why so many of us are adamantly crossing over to vote for McCain...  like I really want to put in power a party that is calling me racist just because of who I vote for.  It makes you wonder what policies these political activists will lobby for if they get all their people in power.

[SomeLawStudent]

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignmatters/318585/a_change_is_gonna_come

Excerpt from Obama's speech YESTERDAY:

"Obama spoke of dignity and work and the America he loves. He spoke of the America that isn't about game playing or slicing and dicing and name calling or spin and division and distraction"

I'm sure Obama will follow up with these name-callers as he's trying to change politics as usual.

Clearly, candidates are responsible for policing every person who might be supporting them and forcing people into line. You're really amazing at grasping at straws to hate Obama for.

Wah Wah - Obama cries that the Republicans are mean, when his supporters are by far the most vicious racist people I've ever seen act out in a political campaign.  Anyone who voted for Hillary who doesn't vote for Obama is a Racist or is at least "Bitter" to black people, as not one but now 4 people on this very board have said.  What a joke, no wonder Democrats lose elections every 4 years even when the Republicans totally screw up.  You guys do NOTHING to help your party every time you open your mouth.

[SomeLawStudent]

Wow it's amazing that this forum gets flooded with Hillary hacks right AFTER she loses big and becomes truly and undeniably unviable.

I'd say the bigger hacks are the ones calling Hillary supporters racist if they dare support McCain, then trumpet that Obama gets 95% margins of black voters.  The Voting Rights Act works both ways.

[SomeLawStudent]

I'd say the bigger hacks are the ones calling Hillary supporters racist if they dare support McCain, then trumpet that Obama gets 95% margins of black voters.  The Voting Rights Act works both ways.

But I'm not reading that here....or did I miss it?

Are you serious?  There have literally been 4 people on this board, one in this thread who said that people who voted for Clinton and are now voting for McCain are "Racist" or "Bitter" towards black people.

[SomeLawStudent]

I'd say the bigger hacks are the ones calling Hillary supporters racist if they dare support McCain, then trumpet that Obama gets 95% margins of black voters.  The Voting Rights Act works both ways.

But I'm not reading that here....or did I miss it?

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Quote from: agcatter on Today at 10:09:39 am

"A Hillary supporter voting for Mccain in the fall seems like racism to me because their ideologies do not mix at all. I am not saying they are but it seems like that way to me because their is no logical reason to vote for Mccain if you believe in Hillary and what she stands for. Now a lot of that right now is bitterness and I understand that but hopefully that will wear off after 6 months of general election fun. I think a small segment of the population(concentrated in appalachia and the south) that voted for Hillary will vote for Mccain in the fall and a lot of them will be doing it to vote against the black guy. Some of these appalachian and blue collar areas where Obama will do bad I would not characterize as racist, rather than BITTER at black people. They feel Black people get coddled while they get screwed. I guess I understand where they come from but hopefully they can get over it by november."
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[SomeLawStudent]

I'd say the bigger hacks are the ones calling Hillary supporters racist if they dare support McCain, then trumpet that Obama gets 95% margins of black voters.  The Voting Rights Act works both ways.

But I'm not reading that here....or did I miss it?

Are you serious?  There have literally been 4 people on this board, one in this thread who said that people who voted for Clinton and are now voting for McCain are "Racist" or "Bitter" towards black people.

Can you explain to me why a liberal who voted for Clinton and believes in everything she says would vote for Mccain? What policies do these two share any resemblance on, which is also not shared by Obama. Obama and Clinton have the same damn policies which is the reason why we had the most stupid primaries ever. No issues were discussed, just personalities. I for one would vote for Clinton in a heartbeat if she were the chosen nominee, so they why wont Clinton supporters vote for Obama?  All I was saying was that a minority of people will vote for Mccain just to vote against the black guy. If you disagree with me there you need to go back and reread your US history book.

Why explain, it's obvious that I'm racist because I'm supporting McCain?  BTW - who says everyone that voted for Clinton is a liberal?  I consider myself moderate.  I typically vote Democrat because they have tended to be the more moderate party over the last few years.  I'll give you one big issue where Clinton looks closer to McCain - Taxes.  Obama has said in the past he would raise taxes on people making over $150,000 a year.  Clinton puts the number higher, anywhere from $200,000 to $250,000 or so.  For those of us that live in a high cost of living city that is a very important distinction.  If you truly support Obama, why would you make these outrageous claims?  The character of supporters can really impact a candidate's campaign.    All of the Obama supporters crying racism are already causing a backlash, see here: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080416084947AAPtddu

Believe it or not, people don't like to be called racist and take such charges very seriously.  Maybe playing racial politics in the Democratic Primary will help you but this is going to be horrendous for your candidate in the Fall when you guys start calling people racist.

[SomeLawStudent]

I'd say the bigger hacks are the ones calling Hillary supporters racist if they dare support McCain, then trumpet that Obama gets 95% margins of black voters.  The Voting Rights Act works both ways.

But I'm not reading that here....or did I miss it?

Are you serious?  There have literally been 4 people on this board, one in this thread who said that people who voted for Clinton and are now voting for McCain are "Racist" or "Bitter" towards black people.

Ok, I didnt see it and I don't agree with it.  If BRTD was one of them, then knock it down to 3 people. Thanks

Not sure who this BRTD person is that everyone is referring to, but even still.  Doesn't it disturb you that 3 people on this board alone are calling anyone who disagrees with them a racist?  I thought this whole movement was supposed to bring change to Washington.  This doesn't seem like good change.  I realize this sounds like Republican talking points but it's hard not to agree with Republicans on this.

[SomeLawStudent]

Not sure who this BRTD person is that everyone is referring to, but even still.  Doesn't it disturb you that 3 people on this board alone are calling anyone who disagrees with them a racist?

Usually I'm only disturbed by surprising things.  It's annoying.

I thought this whole movement was supposed to bring change to Washington.  This doesn't seem like good change.  I realize this sounds like Republican talking points but it's hard not to agree with Republicans on this.

You mean to tell me that you are shocked, just shocked, that there are jackasses who support Obama?  And, because jackasses support Obama, clearly jackasses are representative of the real Obama, and thus all that "change" stuff is bunk?

The "change" stuff is bunk because it's good-natured rhetoric, or hyperbole.  The "change" stuff isn't bunk because some guy on the Internet who supports Obama was mean to you or called you a racist.  That's just rationalized "I hate the guy, I hate everyone around him" stuff.  You're too smart for that.

No, I am shocked that the people who call others Racist are becoming less of a vocal minority and more in the mainstream of his support.  I remember a few months ago the Obama rallies were uplifting and people clapped to pay respect to Clinton and Edwards.  Now they've started booing Clinton and I've heard several speeches where Obama supporters at the rally shouted obscenities when Clinton was mentioned.  Yeah the campaign has become more heated but the Supporters fainting at rallies and obsessively calling anyone who disagrees with them a Racist are a major turn off.  Maybe you've always been on the liberal side of issues and haven't really had to deal with this.  That's the case for me in the past, but when you're repeatedly called a Racist for not supporting Obama it really makes you think that all the Republicans that have complained for years about the Al Sharpton's and Jesse Jackson's of the World, might have been on to something.  The Obama movement has definitely single-handedly caused me to shift my political alignment *somewhat.*  Oh and I fully expect to receive a string of messages from some Obama supporters saying "Good Riddance, Racist" pretty soon.

[SomeLawStudent]

Meanwhile, in Bizarro World, where Hillary Clinton looks set to clinch the nomination over an ailing Barack Obama:

Believe it or not, people don't like to be called sexist and take such charges very seriously.  Maybe playing gender politics in the Democratic Primary will help you but this is going to be horrendous for your candidate in the Fall when you guys start calling people sexist.

If this was real, you'd have an excellent point.  But it's not.  Thanks.

[SomeLawStudent]

I'd say the bigger hacks are the ones calling Hillary supporters racist if they dare support McCain, then trumpet that Obama gets 95% margins of black voters.  The Voting Rights Act works both ways.

But I'm not reading that here....or did I miss it?

Are you serious?  There have literally been 4 people on this board, one in this thread who said that people who voted for Clinton and are now voting for McCain are "Racist" or "Bitter" towards black people.

Can you explain to me why a liberal who voted for Clinton and believes in everything she says would vote for Mccain? What policies do these two share any resemblance on, which is also not shared by Obama. Obama and Clinton have the same damn policies which is the reason why we had the most stupid primaries ever. No issues were discussed, just personalities. I for one would vote for Clinton in a heartbeat if she were the chosen nominee, so they why wont Clinton supporters vote for Obama?  All I was saying was that a minority of people will vote for Mccain just to vote against the black guy. If you disagree with me there you need to go back and reread your US history book.

Why explain, it's obvious that I'm racist because I'm supporting McCain?  BTW - who says everyone that voted for Clinton is a liberal?  I consider myself moderate.  I typically vote Democrat because they have tended to be the more moderate party over the last few years.  I'll give you one big issue where Clinton looks closer to McCain - Taxes.  Obama has said in the past he would raise taxes on people making over $150,000 a year.  Clinton puts the number higher, anywhere from $200,000 to $250,000 or so.  For those of us that live in a high cost of living city that is a very important distinction.  If you truly support Obama, why would you make these outrageous claims?  The character of supporters can really impact a candidate's campaign.    All of the Obama supporters crying racism are already causing a backlash, see here: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080416084947AAPtddu

Believe it or not, people don't like to be called racist and take such charges very seriously.  Maybe playing racial politics in the Democratic Primary will help you but this is going to be horrendous for your candidate in the Fall when you guys start calling people racist.

Ahh but I never called you racist, I am just trying to figure out where Clinton supporters are coming from. Now I am sorry if I offended you when I said blue collar workers were bitter towards blacks, but there certainly is a misunderstanding. Most of this occurs from the concept of white privilege. The poorer whites who support Clinton never had that privilege and rightfully get angry when they are told that. To them Obama is the symbol of that, a Black man taking away an opportunity from a white just because they are black. I understand that resentment as I am a Brahmin from India. Although the caste system was wrong, should Brahmin children not get the same opportunity today as lower caste kids? It is a similar situation here and a reason why I am against affirmative action. Now you said you disagree with Obama on taxes and it turns out we agree. My parents live in the bay area and to live comfortably here you have to have a family income in excess of 100k. Obama's taxes would affect my family and I hope he reconsiders it a bit. I think creating new higher tax categories out of people making millions makes more sense. Those making millions dont need all that money and they can sure as hell help their countrymen. I do feel bad for those who get caught in these tax margins though. I think creating more tax brackets is a possible solution to this problem. Now I do not know how you feel about foreign policy but that is the reason why I supported Obama from the start and the reason why I could not support Mccain. The Iraq war is one of the worst foreign policy decision ever made and it is not only hurting our image but also our economy. In the end it all comes down to that because a war is not worth fighting if we do not even have a country left to fight for.

Thanks for this thoughtful post.  To be honest, your comment wasn't particularly bad compared to many on some other threads.  I only cut and pasted it because it was more convenient than searching for the other ones.

The funny thing is that we probably agree nearly entirely on the issues.  For me I just look at it like this.  We're already in Iraq.  McCain won't have the political capital to do another war, his Iran comments notwithstanding.  He won't have the votes in Congress to push through uber-conservative Judges.   But Obama would have the votes in Congress to push through big tax hikes.  I am graduating from law school with $150,000 of debt.  Even though I have a job lined up that pays well over 6 figures, the thought of having such a huge debt is daunting, and I think about it every single day.  I can't afford to pay an extra $20,000 in taxes under the plan's Obama has floated out there.  So on a personal level, Hillary would have been perfect for me.  Good Judges, Good Tax Policy.  But when it comes down to choosing between Obama and McCain, even though I have a gut feeling to always vote Democrat, when I analyze what they'll do for me, McCain wins hands down.  Strategically it's the right move.  Besides, I sort of like it when Congress and the Executive Branch are split, neither party gets too extreme. That's a large part of why the Republicans screwed up so bad with their out of control spending in the first place.

[SomeLawStudent]

Meanwhile, in Bizarro World, where Hillary Clinton looks set to clinch the nomination over an ailing Barack Obama:

Believe it or not, people don't like to be called sexist and take such charges very seriously.  Maybe playing gender politics in the Democratic Primary will help you but this is going to be horrendous for your candidate in the Fall when you guys start calling people sexist.

If this was real, you'd have an excellent point.  But it's not.  Thanks.

http://taylormarsh.com/

If you think it wouldn't be happening...

I'm not sure what that shows.  Most of that blog was devoted to criticizing the harassing messages they're receiving from Obama supporters.

[SomeLawStudent]

Meanwhile, in Bizarro World, where Hillary Clinton looks set to clinch the nomination over an ailing Barack Obama:

Believe it or not, people don't like to be called sexist and take such charges very seriously.  Maybe playing gender politics in the Democratic Primary will help you but this is going to be horrendous for your candidate in the Fall when you guys start calling people sexist.

If this was real, you'd have an excellent point.  But it's not.  Thanks.

http://taylormarsh.com/

If you think it wouldn't be happening...

I'm not sure what that shows.  Most of that blog was devoted to criticizing the harassing messages they're receiving from Obama supporters.

Read Taylor Marsh again. See the constant references to the media "keeping women down", and how terrible people were for not letting Clinton "be a woman". Taylor Marsh is already telling everyone that it's sexism!

Well I don't agree with that at all.  I think the media (particularly MSNBC) has had a huge bias for Obama, but I don't think it's because Clinton was a woman.  They just wanted Obama for whatever reason.  So again, I don't agree with her if that's what she's saying. 

My point was more about the followers though.  I have talked to a lot of partisan Hillary supporters, especially when I liked Obama more, and none of them called me a sexist for not supporting Hillary.  I've now talked to a lot of partisan Obama supporters, now that I like Hillary more.  A huge percentage of the Obama people I've talked to have thrown out the race card, I'd say at least 30%.  If this is what they are telling me in blog comments and to my face, I can only imagine what they say to each other in private.   It's a huge turn off.

[SomeLawStudent]

But look, I just gave you a Clinton supporter, and a very vocal one, who calls those who dislike Clinton sexists. You may not have experienced it because you supported her, but I certainly have. I also don't appreciate be called naive, having "white guilt", or any of the other slurs commonly thrown by Clinton backers. Ultimately, though, it's irrelevant to the candidates themselves.

I don't like Clinton for a very different reason, because I think she is in attitude and style the most similar to Bush--unwilling to consider any opinions but her own--and I think that's dangerous.

I'll be the first to call her comments wrong.  Not many Obama supporters are standing up and calling out the people who are calling McCain backers racist.

Again, I supported Obama for about a month and a half, even as the primary was starting to get very heated.  I was never personally called a sexist by a lay supporter I talked to online or in person.  I have now supported Hillary for about 2 months and I've probably talked to about 40-50 Obama Supported (4 in the last day on this website) who have either called me personally a racist or EVERYONE who supported Clinton who is now supporting McCain a racist.

The difference between the mass of supporters could not be any more clear.  Ironically though, the vast majority of the Obama supporters playing the race card have been white.

[SomeLawStudent]

But look, I just gave you a Clinton supporter, and a very vocal one, who calls those who dislike Clinton sexists. You may not have experienced it because you supported her, but I certainly have. I also don't appreciate be called naive, having "white guilt", or any of the other slurs commonly thrown by Clinton backers. Ultimately, though, it's irrelevant to the candidates themselves.

I don't like Clinton for a very different reason, because I think she is in attitude and style the most similar to Bush--unwilling to consider any opinions but her own--and I think that's dangerous.

I'll be the first to call her comments wrong.  Not many Obama supporters are standing up and calling out the people who are calling McCain backers racist.

Again, I supported Obama for about a month and a half, even as the primary was starting to get very heated.  I was never personally called a sexist by a lay supporter I talked to online or in person.  I have now supported Hillary for about 2 months and I've probably talked to about 40-50 Obama Supported (4 in the last day on this website) who have either called me personally a racist or EVERYONE who supported Clinton who is now supporting McCain a racist.

The difference between the mass of supporters could not be any more clear.  Ironically though, the vast majority of the Obama supporters playing the race card have been white.

Fine, you're intent on being the victim. The fact that some Obama supporters heckled you shouldn't have anything to do with your vote. They were being stupid; there are stupid people everywhere. I often hear Clinton supporters tell me that my own support, or those of other Obama supporters, is arbitrary and based on faulty reasoning--that sounds like an awfully arbitrary decision on your part.

LOL - I could care less about some victim role.  That's the role Obama supporters who cry racism every 3 seconds play.  Well that's when they're out of their manic state and not harassing people.  It's not arbitrary to be completely turned off by the Obama "movement" and the people that are part of it and to say, no I don't want anything to do with this, they're hijacking the party I usually vote for.  That's not arbitrary at all.  Aimlessly following one political party is arbitrary and stupid, which is why I refuse to do it if I think the party I prefer has a terrible candidate and a terrible "movement."  There is nothing wrong with that.  If everyone voted for the same party year after year then political control would never change.  Just because the Republicans did this a few years ago, doesn't mean that I am going to blindly follow the Democrats to even things out.  As to my reasoning, well I have cited specific issues in this thread where McCain and Obama disagree, so my reasoning is only based in small part on wanting to stop the "Obama movement."

[SomeLawStudent]

LOL - I could care less about some victim role. 

Sorry, but anyone who is dragging out this discussion by going on and on about how offended they are by random and fairly anonymous Obama supporters needs to face facts. Politics has lots of people saying stupid and mean things. What it does not have is one side full of good people, all with integrity, and another side full of bad, mean people.

If you're only pretending to be offended, that's even worse than actually getting upset.

One side has been a lot more rampant with the racist vitriol.  Sorry, but I'm not dragging out this discussion, I've been asked repeatedly why I don't like Obama and I happened to cite his supporters as one reason why.  People have made me explain that so I did.  Yes, I think the racists on this board are offensive, sorry if that upsets you that I don't support racism.

[SomeLawStudent]

Disliking a politician because of their supporters is a bad reason to dislike a politician.

No it isn't.  Because that politician has to pay back his supporters in some way, the same way special interest groups are paid back.  I really don't want to support a candidacy that is fueled by reverse racism.

[SomeLawStudent]

One side has been a lot more rampant with the racist vitriol.  Sorry, but I'm not dragging out this discussion, I've been asked repeatedly why I don't like Obama and I happened to cite his supporters as one reason why.  People have made me explain that so I did.  Yes, I think the racists on this board are offensive, sorry if that upsets you that I don't support racism.

So if I find racists who are supporting McCain, you'll abandon him? Cool. The Internet's a big place, it should take me about five minutes to find a Freeper chuckling over the Heineken looter photo who talks about voting for McCain. If you give up supporting McCain, I'll admire your principle.

Try Ben Domenech at Red State, who dismissed Coretta Scott King as a communist and said no one should have cared about her funeral. He's a Republican. Are you offended?

Fortunately, it's not PC for Anti-Black Racism to run rampant online and in person.  Unfortunately, it's totally PC for Obama supporters to spread racism wherever they see fit. 

[SomeLawStudent]

You just dont seem to get the difference between Black people voting FOR Obama and white people voting against the black guy for racial reasons.

I said it elsewhere, I'll say it again.

Black people vote for black and white candidates, predominantly for white candidates. In the last, oh, ALL general elections where they were able to vote, they have voted for white candidates.

White people have voted for white candidates. They rarely get the opportunity to do otherwise, and unlike black voters, they have not established a record of crossing the racial barrier and voting for someone of another race.

For a black voter to have voted for white candidates all his or her life to be called a racist for voting for a black candidate is obscene.

To not understand that the dynamics of representation are different for majority and minority communities is something to be worked on.

How many majority black congressional districts have white congressmen?  How often do majority black cities like D.C. get a white mayor?  Yeah, when they don't have a choice they vote for the white guy, but often when there is a Black Democrat on the ballot they flock to that candidate in droves in both the primary and the general election.

The "raising the ceiling" argument only goes so far.  Washington, DC has had several black mayors.  Electing one after another is not raising any ceiling, so why do White Democrats never get elected Mayor there?  Is that racially motivated in a racist way?