What forum Democrats would've supported McCarthy and RFK in 1968?

[Eraserhead]

For the record, I would likely have supported McCarthy in the primary but I could have supported RFK in the general election, if he had been nominated.

I'm sure most of you can guess how I feel at HHH...

[War on Want]

RFK definatley as a probable Anti-War hippie, that would still be somewhat working class and half-Hispanic.

[Хahar 🤔]

RFK definatley as a probable Anti-War hippie, that would still be somewhat working class and half-Hispanic.

Sounds like an HHHer to me.

[Nym90]

I would've been for Humphrey, though any of the three would've been fine (I would've preferred Kennedy to McCarthy). Certainly all far preferable to Nixon.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I own a McCarthy '68 t-shirt.

Awesome, well any lefty political geek would say so .

Why would some of you have voted/supported Hubert Humphrey? He was a total whore to Mayor Daley and the Labor Unions.

Maybe I like Trade Unions. And, for all his many, many, many faults (which I'm not even going to dare defend so don't pin that one on me) Daley wasn't really a bad Mayor. Certainly better than most of his contemporaries and successors, though maybe that's not much of an achievement.

[NDN]

[NDN]

I don't want to live up to my name THAT much.

[True Democrat]

Kind of reminds me of 2008, people are arguing over two unelectable candidates, though one has a better shot.

Bobby Kennedy could well have won.  Hell, HHH could have won.

It was the tumultuous convention in Chicago, more than the primary fight, that made the Dems lose in 1968.  The images of anarchy and a wild, war-like atmosphere doomed the Dems.

That's actually not true, at least not to that extent.

Everyone always over-emphasizes the effect of the convention on how the Democrats did.  In reality, the people watching thought the protesters more than the police were out of line.

[Eraserhead]

Kind of reminds me of 2008, people are arguing over two unelectable candidates, though one has a better shot.

Bobby Kennedy could well have won.  Hell, HHH could have won.

It was the tumultuous convention in Chicago, more than the primary fight, that made the Dems lose in 1968.  The images of anarchy and a wild, war-like atmosphere doomed the Dems.

That's actually not true, at least not to that extent.

Everyone always over-emphasizes the effect of the convention on how the Democrats did.  In reality, the people watching thought the protesters more than the police were out of line.

Yes. Freedom of speech must be snuffed out.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

Kind of reminds me of 2008, people are arguing over two unelectable candidates, though one has a better shot.

Bobby Kennedy could well have won.  Hell, HHH could have won.

It was the tumultuous convention in Chicago, more than the primary fight, that made the Dems lose in 1968.  The images of anarchy and a wild, war-like atmosphere doomed the Dems.

That's actually not true, at least not to that extent.

Everyone always over-emphasizes the effect of the convention on how the Democrats did.  In reality, the people watching thought the protesters more than the police were out of line.

^^^^^^^

Though remember the trouble inside the convention aswell. (One of the Senator describing Daley's tactics as "gestapo like" and so on) plus it was clear that the protestors, or at least an element of them, had an influence within the party. Otherwise McCarthy wouldn't do so well.

And as I am better suited as a romantic idealist than a sober realist and especially given the year aswell, I would have gone for the Minnesotan poet.

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I would have been happy with either, but may have leaned McCarthy.

[Nym90]

I own a McCarthy '68 t-shirt.

Awesome, well any lefty political geek would say so .

Why would some of you have voted/supported Hubert Humphrey? He was a total whore to Mayor Daley and the Labor Unions.

Maybe I like Trade Unions. And, for all his many, many, many faults (which I'm not even going to dare defend so don't pin that one on me) Daley wasn't really a bad Mayor. Certainly better than most of his contemporaries and successors, though maybe that's not much of an achievement.

Same here. Humphrey, Kennedy and McCarthy would've all made fine Presidents, but Humphrey was a one of a kind politician in many ways. A true working class and civil rights champion for decades.

[War on Want]

RFK definatley as a probable Anti-War hippie, that would still be somewhat working class and half-Hispanic.

Sounds like an HHHer to me.

No because I am ridiculously anti-War and I would definatley be a rebelious hippie back in the late 60's.

[Хahar 🤔]

RFK definatley as a probable Anti-War hippie, that would still be somewhat working class and half-Hispanic.

Sounds like an HHHer to me.

No because I am ridiculously anti-War and I would definatley be a rebelious hippie back in the late 60's.

Not in Idaho you wouldn't.

[True Democrat]

Kind of reminds me of 2008, people are arguing over two unelectable candidates, though one has a better shot.

Bobby Kennedy could well have won.  Hell, HHH could have won.

It was the tumultuous convention in Chicago, more than the primary fight, that made the Dems lose in 1968.  The images of anarchy and a wild, war-like atmosphere doomed the Dems.

That's actually not true, at least not to that extent.

Everyone always over-emphasizes the effect of the convention on how the Democrats did.  In reality, the people watching thought the protesters more than the police were out of line.

^^^^^^^

Though remember the trouble inside the convention aswell. (One of the Senator describing Daley's tactics as "gestapo like" and so on) plus it was clear that the protestors, or at least an element of them, had an influence within the party. Otherwise McCarthy wouldn't do so well.

And as I am better suited as a romantic idealist than a sober realist and especially given the year aswell, I would have gone for the Minnesotan poet.

That Senator is Abraham Ribicoff of Connecticut, who said that during his nominating speech of George McGovern (the stand-in for RFK).

And describing McCarthy as a poet is pretty accurate.  He really liked to use poetry in his speeches (reading one of his speeches in Wisconsin brought to me attention what is now my favorite poem "Poets to Come" by Walt Whitman).  One story stands out in particular.  In California, the day of the debate between Kennedy and McCarthy, Kennedy spent the day preparing with his staff.  McCarthy spent the day reading poetry with Robert Lowell, I believe.

[Boris]

McCarthy is perhaps the definition of "cool," but when you think of President RFK, you get this weird vision of a blissful utopia. I probably would have been one of those that genuinely believed that President Bobby would have solved all our problems.

[Boris]

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[Filuwaúrdjan]

For the young people, in particular, who had been persuaded by the new politics of Robert Kennedy and Eugene McCarthy to recommit themselves to the American electoral system, the assassination seemed to confirm all their lingering suspicions that society could not be reformed by democratic means.

...so instead of that they went and blew their spoiled suburban brains with drugs and general self-centered over-indulgence and voted for Reagan in 1980.

[War on Want]

RFK definatley as a probable Anti-War hippie, that would still be somewhat working class and half-Hispanic.

Sounds like an HHHer to me.

No because I am ridiculously anti-War and I would definatley be a rebelious hippie back in the late 60's.

Not in Idaho you wouldn't.

No I would have. My Dad was hippyish and he is from Iowa and his family was CATHOLIC, where as mine is more open and Protestant.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

For the young people, in particular, who had been persuaded by the new politics of Robert Kennedy and Eugene McCarthy to recommit themselves to the American electoral system, the assassination seemed to confirm all their lingering suspicions that society could not be reformed by democratic means.

...so instead of that they went and blew their spoiled suburban brains with drugs and general self-centered over-indulgence and voted for Reagan in 1980.

Mostly. But lets not go there...

[Filuwaúrdjan]

For the young people, in particular, who had been persuaded by the new politics of Robert Kennedy and Eugene McCarthy to recommit themselves to the American electoral system, the assassination seemed to confirm all their lingering suspicions that society could not be reformed by democratic means.

...so instead of that they went and blew their spoiled suburban brains with drugs and general self-centered over-indulgence and voted for Reagan in 1980.

Mostly. But lets not go there...

Have you ever seen The History Man? In sooooo many respects it fits what happend in America better than what happend in Britain. Especially the ending.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

For the young people, in particular, who had been persuaded by the new politics of Robert Kennedy and Eugene McCarthy to recommit themselves to the American electoral system, the assassination seemed to confirm all their lingering suspicions that society could not be reformed by democratic means.

...so instead of that they went and blew their spoiled suburban brains with drugs and general self-centered over-indulgence and voted for Reagan in 1980.

Mostly. But lets not go there...

Have you ever seen The History Man? In sooooo many respects it fits what happend in America better than what happend in Britain. Especially the ending.

No I have not. Actually I've just had to look up in IMDB in see what exactly it was. From what it sounds like (plot descriptions and so forth, obviously not including the ending) it sounds pretty typical.