SurveyUSA 14-State Poll Release

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

Young people in Kentucky must really hate Obama.  Clinton also does better among African-Americans, so I don't know what happened there.

Also, why can't Obama seem to do well in Massachusetts?  This still baffles me.

one word:  racism

BECUZ PPL WHO DONT VOTE FOR OBAMA R RACISTZ

[Eraserhead]

Hah:  McCain is within MoE of Obama among Kentucky Democrats.  Ouchies.

His skin color explains this.

[agcatter]

Are we going to have to listen to this you're a racist if you don't vote for Obama drivel for the next 7 months?

Really, you're not doing your candidate any good with that stuff.

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

Democrats for Clinton: Racist
Democrats for Obama: Sexist
Democrats against McCain: Ageist

Republicans for McCain: Pretty damn awesome

[Bandit3 the Worker]

Are we going to have to listen to this you're a racist if you don't vote for Obama drivel for the next 7 months?

We've listened to this "you're a traitor if you don't vote for Bush" garbage for the past 8 years, so fair is fair.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Links to the database entries:

Wisconsin Clinton: https://uselectionatlas.org/POLLS/PRESIDENT/2008/polls.php?action=indpoll&id=5520080413019
Wisconsin Obama: https://uselectionatlas.org/POLLS/PRESIDENT/2008/pollsa.php?action=indpoll&id=5520080413019
Virginia Clinton: https://uselectionatlas.org/POLLS/PRESIDENT/2008/polls.php?action=indpoll&id=5120080413019
Virginia Obama: https://uselectionatlas.org/POLLS/PRESIDENT/2008/pollsa.php?action=indpoll&id=5120080413019
Oregon Clinton: https://uselectionatlas.org/POLLS/PRESIDENT/2008/polls.php?action=indpoll&id=4120080413019
Oregon Obama: https://uselectionatlas.org/POLLS/PRESIDENT/2008/pollsa.php?action=indpoll&id=4120080413019
Ohio Clinton: https://uselectionatlas.org/POLLS/PRESIDENT/2008/polls.php?action=indpoll&id=3920080413019
Ohio Obama: https://uselectionatlas.org/POLLS/PRESIDENT/2008/pollsa.php?action=indpoll&id=3920080413019
New York Clinton: https://uselectionatlas.org/POLLS/PRESIDENT/2008/polls.php?action=indpoll&id=3620080413019
New York Obama: https://uselectionatlas.org/POLLS/PRESIDENT/2008/pollsa.php?action=indpoll&id=3620080413019
New Mexico Clinton: https://uselectionatlas.org/POLLS/PRESIDENT/2008/polls.php?action=indpoll&id=3520080413019
New Mexico Obama: https://uselectionatlas.org/POLLS/PRESIDENT/2008/pollsa.php?action=indpoll&id=3520080413019
Missouri Clinton: https://uselectionatlas.org/POLLS/PRESIDENT/2008/polls.php?action=indpoll&id=2920080413019
Missouri Obama: https://uselectionatlas.org/POLLS/PRESIDENT/2008/pollsa.php?action=indpoll&id=2920080413019
Minnesota Clinton: https://uselectionatlas.org/POLLS/PRESIDENT/2008/polls.php?action=indpoll&id=2720080413019
Minnesota Obama: https://uselectionatlas.org/POLLS/PRESIDENT/2008/pollsa.php?action=indpoll&id=2720080413019
Massachusetts Clinton: https://uselectionatlas.org/POLLS/PRESIDENT/2008/polls.php?action=indpoll&id=2520080413019
Massachusetts Obama: https://uselectionatlas.org/POLLS/PRESIDENT/2008/pollsa.php?action=indpoll&id=2520080413019
Kentucky Clinton: https://uselectionatlas.org/POLLS/PRESIDENT/2008/polls.php?action=indpoll&id=2120080413019
Kentucky Obama: https://uselectionatlas.org/POLLS/PRESIDENT/2008/pollsa.php?action=indpoll&id=2120080413019
Kansas Clinton: https://uselectionatlas.org/POLLS/PRESIDENT/2008/polls.php?action=indpoll&id=2020080413019
Kansas Obama: https://uselectionatlas.org/POLLS/PRESIDENT/2008/pollsa.php?action=indpoll&id=2020080413019
Iowa Clinton: https://uselectionatlas.org/POLLS/PRESIDENT/2008/polls.php?action=indpoll&id=1920080413019
Iowa Obama: https://uselectionatlas.org/POLLS/PRESIDENT/2008/pollsa.php?action=indpoll&id=1920080413019
California Clinton: https://uselectionatlas.org/POLLS/PRESIDENT/2008/polls.php?action=indpoll&id=620080413019
California Obama: https://uselectionatlas.org/POLLS/PRESIDENT/2008/pollsa.php?action=indpoll&id=620080413019
Alabama Clinton: https://uselectionatlas.org/POLLS/PRESIDENT/2008/polls.php?action=indpoll&id=120080413019
Alabama Obama: https://uselectionatlas.org/POLLS/PRESIDENT/2008/pollsa.php?action=indpoll&id=120080413019

[Aizen]

Democrats for Clinton: Racist
Democrats for Obama: Sexist
Democrats against McCain: Ageist

Republicans for McCain: Pretty damn awesome Racist and Sexist

LOL

[elcorazon]

man, you people have your heads in the sand.  I understand some people don't agree with obama.  I understand some people prefer mccain, or hillary or just don't like the guy.  I'm talking about an area that has been strongly democratic for a LONG time, which has gone to a dem nearly without fail for a really long time.  They elect hardcore liberals.  They define the word liberal to a lot of middle America.  They also have a history of racism.  

And now you have a black guy running who is quite popular among liberals across the country.  Fine, he can lose the primary to Hillary, that's alright.  But for so many hillary supporters to be supporting mccain in the fall in Massachusetts, I have a hard time explaining it any other way.

what's your best guess?

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

LOL at all the liberals in this thread. So let's get things straight. Rasmussen, Strategic Vision and SurveyUSA are all Republican polling firms. Who does that leave as legitimate polling firms?

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This continues to confuse me, but it appears Massachusetts really doesn't like Obama. McCain's ceiling here is 46%.

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The most surprising of all, but McCain isn't hated by Hispanics like some Republicans. I also wondered why Obama was doing so well there considering a lot of Hispanics do not trust blacks. I always thought it was premature to give NM to Obama right off the bat just because Richardson endorsed him.

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No surprise. Missouri isn't a bellwether this year and will be firmly in the McCain column unless things change.

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Obama will not break 60% in NY. He isn't Al Gore and McCain isn't Bush in 2000. Just because people on this forum think he's a panderer doesn't mean he has lost that maverick image to others.

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Not a bad poll for Obama. I am really happy Clinton is not the nominee. She'd beat McCain in November.

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Not a surprise. Obama does well out west while Clinton does not, but Oregon isn't a state that McCain needs to win in 2008.

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I felt as if people were overestimating Obama in Virginia. He won't win there unless he landslides, so I'd put it at 52-47 McCain in the end.

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No surprises in any of these.

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I think McCain could outperform Bush in California, especially if the Hispanics give Obama a poor showing.

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No surprises, but wow do Kentucky folks hate Obama. McCain could approach 70%.

[Joe Republic]

LOL at all the liberals in this thread.

All of them, eh?  You can be extremely tiresome, you know.

[Bandit3 the Worker]

No surprises, but wow do Kentucky folks hate Obama.

Which is odd, because people I know think he's a decent guy.

[Lief 🗽]

When people blame racism for Obama's poor showing states like Mass and Kentucky, they're not, by any means, calling all McCain supporters racist. They're just pointing out a very real phenomenon of American politics and society; some people are racist, and they have an aversion towards voting for a man that is black.

[Bandit3 the Worker]

When people blame racism for Obama's poor showing states like Mass and Kentucky, they're not, by any means, calling all McCain supporters racist. They're just pointing out a very real phenomenon of American politics and society; some people are racist, and they have an aversion towards voting for a man that is black.

Besides, the racists vote Republican anyway, so even if Obama wasn't black they still wouldn't vote for him.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

If they're a Rep. polling company, why did that throw OH into the Clinton category?

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

When people blame racism for Obama's poor showing states like Mass and Kentucky, they're not, by any means, calling all McCain supporters racist. They're just pointing out a very real phenomenon of American politics and society; some people are racist, and they have an aversion towards voting for a man that is black.

Besides, the racists vote Republican anyway, so even if Obama wasn't black they still wouldn't vote for him.

So why is McCain doing so well as compared to Bush? Why is Hillary have 42%? You are making no sense at all.

If they're a Rep. polling company, why did that throw OH into the Clinton category?

Just to fool everyone so they wouldn't catch on. Luckily, the Democrats here are too clever to fall for it.

[Padfoot]

I'm a bit surprised about the regional breakdown in Virginia, particularly the Southeast region.  McCain will probably win Southeast Virginia like the poll says but I'm seriously doubting the 21 point margin they have him winning by there.  I'm thinking 15 points tops, but I suppose it all depends on how the define the region though.

[agcatter]

Yes, it all comes down to how Survey defines a region.  heck, they never ever give anyone any indication of exactly how they define that region of any state they poll.  Kind of frustrating really.

[Alcon]

Yes, it all comes down to how Survey defines a region.  heck, they never ever give anyone any indication of exactly how they define that region of any state they poll.  Kind of frustrating really.

I'm sure if you emailed them, they'd be happy to provide the information.  In some places it's pretty obvious.  They do it by county (although I'm not sure if exchanges go by county...but it seems like they often add up to logical %s, county-wise).

[ottermax]

In New Mexico, Hispanics include Spanish whose descendants have lived in the region for centuries. So, basically many can be counted as Whites. Also, I'm surprised Clinton is doing better because many of the swing voters in New Mexico are in the fast growing Albuquerque region, who are suburban moderates. If Hispanics really hated Obama so much, then California would be horrible for him.

[Gustaf]

Interesting. Much worse polls for Obama than the last round from SUSA. Apart from the amusement factor of the comments (didn't SUSA use to be best pollster when they were showing Obama doing well?) I'll note my standard scepticism towards SUSA multi-state polling and, finally:

they poll 14 states. 14 chosen states. And one of them is Kansas. Not Florida. Not Pennsylvania. Not Nevada. Not Colorado. Not even New Jersey or Montana, Rhode Island or North Dakota. But KANSAS!

And don't you ask me "what's the matter with Kansas". It wouldn't be funny.

[agcatter]

Alcon, I never actually thought about emailing them.  Good idea.  If I get any imfo back from them on regional boundaries in various states I'll post that information.

[Alcon]

they poll 14 states. 14 chosen states. And one of them is Kansas. Not Florida. Not Pennsylvania. Not Nevada. Not Colorado. Not even New Jersey or Montana, Rhode Island or North Dakota. But KANSAS!

They poll on commission.  They dropped a few states this time around for some reason.

[Gustaf]

they poll 14 states. 14 chosen states. And one of them is Kansas. Not Florida. Not Pennsylvania. Not Nevada. Not Colorado. Not even New Jersey or Montana, Rhode Island or North Dakota. But KANSAS!

They poll on commission.  They dropped a few states this time around for some reason.

I understand that, but who in their right mind commissions a poll on Kansas? I know you like to slap senate races in my face when I make these glaring accusations against pollsters, but I don't believe there is any competitive race going on in Kansas this year, correct?

[Alcon]

they poll 14 states. 14 chosen states. And one of them is Kansas. Not Florida. Not Pennsylvania. Not Nevada. Not Colorado. Not even New Jersey or Montana, Rhode Island or North Dakota. But KANSAS!

They poll on commission.  They dropped a few states this time around for some reason.

I understand that, but who in their right mind commissions a poll on Kansas? I know you like to slap senate races in my face when I make these glaring accusations against pollsters, but I don't believe there is any competitive race going on in Kansas this year, correct?

It's a pretty small part of a news station's budget, and that's who does it.

[Gustaf]

they poll 14 states. 14 chosen states. And one of them is Kansas. Not Florida. Not Pennsylvania. Not Nevada. Not Colorado. Not even New Jersey or Montana, Rhode Island or North Dakota. But KANSAS!

They poll on commission.  They dropped a few states this time around for some reason.

I understand that, but who in their right mind commissions a poll on Kansas? I know you like to slap senate races in my face when I make these glaring accusations against pollsters, but I don't believe there is any competitive race going on in Kansas this year, correct?

It's a pretty small part of a news station's budget, and that's who does it.

Ah. I'm not American, so I keep forgetting that these small God-forsaken states have news stations of their own and stuff. I guess it makes sense then.