Obama on Small-Town Pennsylvania...

[J. J.]

Lead story NBC and CBS.

[Democratic Hawk]

Lead story NBC and CBS.

What still

[Ban my account ffs!]

You know, J.J., some of what Opebo says is true:

The only reasons quality of life has increased in the past 35 years is because

1)  The wife is now working.  A combination of the feminist revolution and pure necessity, most homes are now two-income households.

2)  Technology.  The development of technology has allowed us to enjoy better medical care for similar costs.  This is an illusory increase in quality of life.  It's like saying cash back schemes from credit card companies are big improvements in your income.

3)  The infrastructure and institutions were in place that gave us a high quality of life, so it would take a long time for us to even notice a decline.  Now that infrastructure is falling into the river and the institutions are being gutted by the Republican party...

People are starting to see that not only is their slice of the pie shrinking, but the whole fcuking pie is getting smaller, and they are not happy.  And the old man from Arizona isn't going to help at all.. at best, he will be the Benedict of popes:  a status-quo filler piece to hold the fort until we actually figure out how to fix this mess.

[Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck]

What happens when democracy truly doesn't work.  It hasn't in this country for a long time.  You have to be assertive and say what needs to be said and do what needs to be in order in order to promote equality and freedom, the two principles on which we should be governing ourselves. 

Eureka!  We don't need these silly elections after all!  I've always been fond of the idea of oligarchy anyway, because it'd be fine as long as the overlords don't abuse their power or anything...

Your overblowing the point i'm trying to make.  I never said we should establish an oligarchy, but how can you argue that voters in the current system who are engaging in self-destruction by getting their priorities out of whack may need someone they would consider "elite" to light the way for them?  The middle class is squeezed to death as it is and the next generation is going to be handed over a record deficit.  You think you hate the elite now?  What until they REALLY have everything... 'cause that's the way it's going. 

[Joe Republic]

Who are you to decide what people's priorities are?

[Person Man]

Now they are talking out on Hardball.  The Democratic chairman of Allegheny County said almost exactly the same thing I have.

Hillary Hack?

Lead story NBC and CBS.

See? There is a media bias...and its not for our guys.

Who are you to decide what people's priorities are?

Well, maybe we don't get it, but, it just seems that these priorities are something people can do on thier own.

[J. J.]

You know, J.J., some of what Opebo says is true:

The only reasons quality of life has increased in the past 35 years is because

1)  The wife is now working.  A combination of the feminist revolution and pure necessity, most homes are now two-income households.

2)  Technology.  The development of technology has allowed us to enjoy better medical care for similar costs.  This is an illusory increase in quality of life.  It's like saying cash back schemes from credit card companies are big improvements in your income.

3)  The infrastructure and institutions were in place that gave us a high quality of life, so it would take a long time for us to even notice a decline.  Now that infrastructure is falling into the river and the institutions are being gutted by the Republican party...

People are starting to see that not only is their slice of the pie shrinking, but the whole fcuking pie is getting smaller, and they are not happy.  And the old man from Arizona isn't going to help at all.. at best, he will be the Benedict of popes:  a status-quo filler piece to hold the fort until we actually figure out how to fix this mess.

But, I can tell you it is not true in Pennsylvania.  People may wish to have more, want a bigger pie, as it were.  The inexperienced guy, who was living in Hawaii at the time, really doesn't understand it.  Only someone living in a state of Obamality would consider looking at these times as a model.  This was one of the reasons parennts encouraged their children, especially male children, to attend college, to escape this type of life.

[Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck]

General point here... why should the leaders of the country be in touch with small town America.  It's really such a cute statement. 

Because, in a democracy, the leaders of a country should be in touch with all sections of society.

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Nice.

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The title and the status it implies is merely a reflection of their political and economic power. It has nothing to do with whether or not such power and status is deserved.

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I Know My Place. Would sir like me to doff my cap at sir, sir? Would sir like me to hew him some wood or draw him some water, sir, sir?

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The whole of it.

D E M O C R A C Y. Ever heard of that concept before, your highness?

1) We do not live in a democracy, we live in a constitution republic based on the idea that we elect people MORE QUALIFIED TO WORK IN GOVERNMENT TO REPRESENT US.  This is a horrible misconception about this country.  

2) I no longer care about making harsh statements towards the working class.  What I said was fact anyway.  they were asked last election what mattered most to them.  What mattered most?  Making sure that their personal moral views were imbedded into the fabric of the country.  As a progressive I find that dispicable.  

3) I was not talking about what the elite really is I'm talking about what it is perceived by middle America to be.  A bunch of uppity pussies who went to college and...I dunno... learned stuff.  Why are they so defensive about someone possible knowing more about a subject than they do?

4) The entire agenda of my version of progressivism has a goal of no one EVER HAVING A PLACE!!!  I want everyone to be able to do anything they want to do and have every oppurtunity in the world to accomplish whatever it is they can and want to do, but instead of electing a person that could lead them down that path they do exactly what Obama said and that's to get bitter and shun those they think are trying to change them.  This is just fact, dude.  Who gives a damn whether or not a liberal is in touch with a regular Joe... the liberal policy is absolutely the one that is going to help him the most.  The definition of being "in touch" in the country is so out of whack its not even funny.  "In touch" is not agreeing on religion and going to NASCAR events... being in touch is being able to understand each others concerns and work towards a benefitial solution.  Liberal America is trying to help conservative America...but they're honestly being a bunch of pricks about it.  

...and to this last point you made...But honestly... which realm of society should be deciding policy?  
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The whole of it.

D E M O C R A C Y. Ever heard of that concept before, your highness?

when that WHOLE of society is becoming increasingly self-destructive and backward what do you suppose we do?  Honestly, I want to hear your answer.  Continue down the path to hell because 50.0000001% of the population thinks that's a good idea?  

[J. J.]

Now they are talking out on Hardball.  The Democratic chairman of Allegheny County said almost exactly the same thing I have.

Hillary Hack?

Even the Obama spokesman, the Democratic chair of Lackawanna  couldn't defend the remark!  LOL.

Lead story NBC and CBS.

See? There is a media bias...and its not for our guys.
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No, it's not often that a candidate for president displays such ignorance of a sizable section of the population.  Just a clearner version of Earl Butz.

Who are you to decide what people's priorities are?

Well, maybe we don't get it, but, it just seems that these priorities are something people can do on thier own.
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Obama knows best!  Heil Fuhrer Obama!

[Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck]

Who are you to decide what people's priorities are?

I know what people's priorities are... I'm just one for telling them that they're out of whack.  When your job is about to get shipped overseas and all you can think about is the gay couple that moved down the street or that Obama doesn't wear a flag lapel... someone needs to open your eyes.  Ignorance on such a grand scale can only lead to horrible consequences. 

[J. J.]

when that WHOLE of society is becoming increasingly self-destructive and backward what do you suppose we do?  Honestly, I want to hear your answer.  Continue down the path to hell because 50.0000001% of the population thinks that's a good idea? 

Under this theory, elect a King.

[Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck]

when that WHOLE of society is becoming increasingly self-destructive and backward what do you suppose we do?  Honestly, I want to hear your answer.  Continue down the path to hell because 50.0000001% of the population thinks that's a good idea? 

Under this theory, elect a King.

No, under this theory, EDUCATE PEOPLE. 

You people obviously aren't connecting that I want to achieve prosperity by promoting openness and shunning ignorance.  I'm not saying we should have a king that forces people into anything, I'm saying we have a society that's going downhill and no there is no simple answer other than thhat we can not continue as we are. 

[J. J.]

when that WHOLE of society is becoming increasingly self-destructive and backward what do you suppose we do?  Honestly, I want to hear your answer.  Continue down the path to hell because 50.0000001% of the population thinks that's a good idea? 

Under this theory, elect a King.

No, under this theory, EDUCATE PEOPLE. 

And if the people look at what you are saying and reject it?

[Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck]

when that WHOLE of society is becoming increasingly self-destructive and backward what do you suppose we do?  Honestly, I want to hear your answer.  Continue down the path to hell because 50.0000001% of the population thinks that's a good idea? 

Under this theory, elect a King.

No, under this theory, EDUCATE PEOPLE. 

And if the people look at what you are saying and reject it?

There would be no rejection of such simple ideas in a society that promotes rationality and logic.  We do not seem to do that yet as a majority.  I think in order for that more ideal society to take shape, everyone has to open their minds a little bit...

...and another big point that I couldn't put into words before.  Not only does ignorance in the working class hurt themselves... it's hurting the TRULY, TRULY, desperate people.  The homeless, the people who aren't sure if they are going to eat next week.  In a society as advanced as we are, is this not a great injustice?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

What happens when democracy truly doesn't work.

This looks like it translates as "what happens when my party loses".

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Bearing in mind some of the disgusting rubbish you've been spouting off here, I doubt that you give a tinkers cuss for equality or freedom; you just think that you do because paying lip-service to such concepts is part of the ideological (if that's too grand a word) package that you've bought into.

[J. J.]

when that WHOLE of society is becoming increasingly self-destructive and backward what do you suppose we do?  Honestly, I want to hear your answer.  Continue down the path to hell because 50.0000001% of the population thinks that's a good idea? 

Under this theory, elect a King.

No, under this theory, EDUCATE PEOPLE. 

And if the people look at what you are saying and reject it?

There would be no rejection of such simple ideas in a society that promotes rationality and logic.  We do not seem to do that yet as a majority.  I think in order for that more ideal society to take shape, everyone has to open their minds a little bit...

You've fallen into Obamality.  Does he think he should run the lives of the people in PA? 

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It never occurred to you that they did and rejected the ideas.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

1) We do not live in a democracy, we live in a constitution republic based on the idea that we elect people MORE QUALIFIED TO WORK IN GOVERNMENT TO REPRESENT US.  This is a horrible misconception about this country.

lol, not this nonsense again. In practice there is little difference between "representative democracy" and a "constitutional republic".

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Why is it that the only section of society you snobbish liberal bastards think that it's alright to be bigoted against is the working class?

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Oh, so now his royal fucking highness gets to determined the nature of truth... great...

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No they were not and neither was anyone else.

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Hypocrite

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You certainly fit all the worst stereotypes of the so-called elite.

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This does not fit in with the vile classist idiocy you've been spouting off so far.

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And this sort of attitude, children, is why American Liberalism has been intellectually and morally bankrupt for the past few decades.

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Fascist

[Person Man]

Well, this is why we need to have a real discussion about these sorts of things. Then again, if people are willingly making bad choices, what can we do about it? Is it us? Is it them? Do we simply choose to go extinct?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

There would be no rejection of such simple ideas in a society that promotes rationality and logic.  We do not seem to do that yet as a majority.

In this thread you have demonstrated no rationality and no logic. Just thought you ought to know.

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Your mind appears to be as closed as Anglesey on a Sunday.

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lol; this is exactly the sort of nonsense the spoiled "radical" brats used to trot out in the '60's and early '70's. But at least they could write a bit better than you.

[Democratic Hawk]

Can't be just me who's finding it audacious that Clinton and McCain are accusing Obama of being an elitist?

Perhaps, it's to deflect from the fact that they would be more beholden to elite interests than Obama and if Obama's deft enough he can use this to turn the tables. Now that would be justice [even if I'm not, right now, holding out much hope of that]

Dave

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

If anyone thinks Obama voters will be turned off by this media blitzkrieg and droolfest over this.........fuggetaboutit.  They will not vote for the Beast cause of this.

[Ban my account ffs!]

There would be no rejection of such simple ideas in a society that promotes rationality and logic.  We do not seem to do that yet as a majority.

In this thread you have demonstrated no rationality and no logic. Just thought you ought to know.

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Your mind appears to be as closed as Anglesey on a Sunday.

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lol; this is exactly the sort of nonsense the spoiled "radical" brats used to trot out in the '60's and early '70's. But at least they could write a bit better than you.

Yes, we know Al.. your penis is unimaginably bigger than any of ours could ever dream to be...

But maybe you could actually speak to the debate at hand rather than just picking apart the other posters.

[Person Man]

If anyone thinks Obama voters will be turned off by this media blitzkrieg and droolfest over this.........fuggetaboutit.  They will not vote for the Beast cause of this.

That about somes it.

There would be no rejection of such simple ideas in a society that promotes rationality and logic.  We do not seem to do that yet as a majority.

In this thread you have demonstrated no rationality and no logic. Just thought you ought to know.

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Your mind appears to be as closed as Anglesey on a Sunday.

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lol; this is exactly the sort of nonsense the spoiled "radical" brats used to trot out in the '60's and early '70's. But at least they could write a bit better than you.

Yes, we know Al.. your penis is unimaginably bigger than any of ours could ever dream to be...

But maybe you could actually speak to the debate at hand rather than just picking apart the other posters.

....and by not sounding...elitist.

[J. J.]

Well, this is why we need to have a real discussion about these sorts of things. Then again, if people are willingly making bad choices, what can we do about it? Is it us? Is it them? Do we simply choose to go extinct?

In a democracy, we assume that the majority will have the wisdom to make the right choices.  Or, in Churchill's words, "Democracy is the worst system of government, except for all the others."

I like the idea that some people here seem to be advocating that Obama knows better than Clinton or McCain, and the people in general.  Their evidence is?   Obama is not a guy with a good track record; he doesn't have a track record.

[J. J.]

If anyone thinks Obama voters will be turned off by this media blitzkrieg and droolfest over this.........fuggetaboutit.  They will not vote for the Beast cause of this.

But it will swing the undecided and those who've yet to drink the Obama Koolaide.