Who is the most underrated President in history?

[War on Want]

Ulysess S. Grant. He was mediocre to fair, not terrible.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Lyndon B. Johnson.

His work is one of the greates in History : the fulfillment of Lincoln's one, he was the man of the Great Society, but all his presidency is reducted to the Vietnam war. That's really a shame...

LBJ isn't so underrated, he frequently makes the Top 12 Presidents in history.

Which means he is about 20 places overrated.

*7 places underrated

You know the reason most people hate him is your country's fault, right?

Why ?

[Alexander Hamilton]

Lyndon B. Johnson.

His work is one of the greates in History : the fulfillment of Lincoln's one, he was the man of the Great Society, but all his presidency is reducted to the Vietnam war. That's really a shame...

LBJ isn't so underrated, he frequently makes the Top 12 Presidents in history.

Which means he is about 20 places overrated.

*7 places underrated

You know the reason most people hate him is your country's fault, right?

Why ?

nam man

[Antonio the Sixth]

Lyndon B. Johnson.

His work is one of the greates in History : the fulfillment of Lincoln's one, he was the man of the Great Society, but all his presidency is reducted to the Vietnam war. That's really a shame...

LBJ isn't so underrated, he frequently makes the Top 12 Presidents in history.

Which means he is about 20 places overrated.

*7 places underrated

You know the reason most people hate him is your country's fault, right?

Why ?

nam man

wtf ?

[Stranger in a strange land]

Most underrated:
-Polk: greatly expanded the size and power of the United States, and while he employed questionable means to do it and helped set the stage for the Civil War and the slaughter of Native Americans (which was already well underway, sadly), America and the world were better off in the long run.
-Grant: although his reputation has been in an upswing in recent years, he doesn't deserve the terrible rap he gets from historians. Unlike his predecessor or his successors, he actually made an attempt to protect the rights of Freedmen, and while many members of his administration were corrupt, he himself was not.

For the record, I feel it's too early to rate George W. Bush, though I strongly doubt history will be kind to him.

[dead0man]

wtf ?

Vietnam!  LBJ is hated because he had millions killed in Vietnam.  Hamilton is saying it is France's fault.  JFK only had thousands killed.  Nixon ended the war.  LBJ takes most of the blame for Vietnam, many Americans blame the French for getting us into it.

(and I don't agree with that.  We didnt HAVE to stand up when you all sat down.  That was OUR choice, you guys didn't force it upon us.  I can't blame the French for Vietnam, I can only blame the leadership in the US at the time.  I blame who should be blamed.  JFK, LBJ and everybody in Congress at the time and the American voters who voted for all these asshats.  And then these same people tied the hands of the military and didn't let them do the job.  It makes what Bush the Lesser did in Iraq look good in comparison.)

[Antonio the Sixth]

wtf ?

Vietnam!  LBJ is hated because he had millions killed in Vietnam.  Hamilton is saying it is France's fault.  JFK only had thousands killed.  Nixon ended the war.  LBJ takes most of the blame for Vietnam, many Americans blame the French for getting us into it.

Yeah, I knew that Johnson was unpopular because of Vietnam, but I still don't understand what the frenchs have to do with it.
Anyways, I find unfair that all Johnson's political accomplishment has been reduced to Vietnam. How can people forget he was the man of civil rights, how can liberals forget that his economical policies would be called "communist" by the current DWTLish republicans ? I think Johnson is one of the greates presidents because of Civil Rights, of Great Society, Medicare, Medicaid, and so forth... He just did a terrible mistake in Vietnam, but I'm sure he was in good faith.

[Alexander Hamilton]

France is the reason American ever intervened in Vietnam, Antonio.

[Хahar 🤔]

France is the reason American ever intervened in Vietnam, Antonio.

Yes, but that doesn't mean you can blame France. It was America's decision.

[Psychic Octopus]

I've always been of the opinion Eisenhower should approved Operation Vulture, and saved the french there. Not using nuclear arms, though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Vulture

[dead0man]

France is the reason American ever intervened in Vietnam, Antonio.

Yes, but that doesn't mean you can blame France. It was America's decision.

Correct.  It is the fault of LBJ, JFK, Ike, congress and the voters....in that order.

[Хahar 🤔]

France is the reason American ever intervened in Vietnam, Antonio.

Yes, but that doesn't mean you can blame France. It was America's decision.

Correct.  It is the fault of LBJ, JFK, Ike, congress and the voters....in that order.

And the obvious reason for the bipartisan support was because it was popular.

[dead0man]

Like Iraq!

[Хahar 🤔]

Like Iraq!

Yes.

[Alexander Hamilton]

France is the reason American ever intervened in Vietnam, Antonio.

Yes, but that doesn't mean you can blame France. It was America's decision.

Correct.  It is the fault of LBJ, JFK, Ike, congress and the voters....in that order.

Would LBJ have been in Vietnam if not for France? Doubt it. Had France not had terrible imperialist policies, maybe LBJ would get the respect Antonio feels he deserves.

[dead0man]

Like Iraq!

Yes.

...and just as Bush (and friends) is primarily to blame for Iraq, the various Presidents that lead us to Vietnam (which was MUCH worse for the country than Iraq was) are primarily to blame for Vietnam.

Would LBJ have been in Vietnam if not for France? Doubt it. Had France not had terrible imperialist policies, maybe LBJ would get the respect Antonio feels he deserves.

No.  You can blame France for being a dick and then running away, but you can't blame France for what Americans did for a decade after the French left.

[Antonio the Sixth]

France is the reason American ever intervened in Vietnam, Antonio.

Yes, but that doesn't mean you can blame France. It was America's decision.

Correct.  It is the fault of LBJ, JFK, Ike, congress and the voters....in that order.

Would LBJ have been in Vietnam if not for France? Doubt it. Had France not had terrible imperialist policies, maybe LBJ would get the respect Antonio feels he deserves.

French withdrew from Vietnam in 1954. All that happened after has nothing to do with them.