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« Reply #25 on: February 27, 2008, 02:56:20 PM »

John McCain corrected another right wing loon who equated Obama with Saddam Hussein.  This is what makes me like McCain so much.  Like when he excoriated the viscious pigs who equated Max Cleland with Osama bin Laden. 

This is because McCain knows what it is like to be treated as "a turd on the bottom of someone's shoe".  In South Carolina, Bush and his minions attacked John McCain, claiming he lost his mind in Vietnam and couldn't be trusted to be sane today -- and claiming he fathered a bastard black child (as if the race even mattered).  And if that wasn't enough, they took Cindy McCain's addiction to painkillers and made it an issue. 

So McCain knows what it's like.  And my guess is, he's going to be tough on Obama but fair.  I am hoping Obama does the same.  And I am hoping they BOTH find the guts to correct and condemn their surrogates who act in their name.
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« Reply #26 on: February 27, 2008, 07:26:52 PM »

Nevertheless, I have to say: it is his middle name. I don't give a care, but it shouldn't be considered an underhanded negative assault to say someones middle name.

"It is his middle name" and it has no substance in discussion.  No one goes around talking about John Sidney McCain or Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton, do they?  No.  The only reason it is used is as a futile attempt as a racial slur and/or link him to Islam.  "It shouldn't be considered an underhanded..." unless you listen to the way they all say it.  They accentuate Hussein, either with dramatic pauses or draaaaaging it out sarcastically.  It just shows how immature those that stoop to such petty playground antics really are.  In the end, you are only helping the person you're trying to knock down.
John McCain corrected another right wing loon who equated Obama with Saddam Hussein.  This is what makes me like McCain so much.  Like when he excoriated the viscious pigs who equated Max Cleland with Osama bin Laden. 

This is because McCain knows what it is like to be treated as "a turd on the bottom of someone's shoe".  In South Carolina, Bush and his minions attacked John McCain, claiming he lost his mind in Vietnam and couldn't be trusted to be sane today -- and claiming he fathered a bastard black child (as if the race even mattered).  And if that wasn't enough, they took Cindy McCain's addiction to painkillers and made it an issue. 

So McCain knows what it's like.  And my guess is, he's going to be tough on Obama but fair.  I am hoping Obama does the same.  And I am hoping they BOTH find the guts to correct and condemn their surrogates who act in their name.

^^^

Cunningham deserved to be thrown under the bus...again and again and again...perhaps flattened by it too.

Scumbag.
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« Reply #27 on: February 27, 2008, 07:39:29 PM »

Lets just say, on McCain being toast in November, I WOULDN'T bet on it

As for that complete utter nut at McCain's 'rally' in Ohio, the good senator was RIGHT to dress him down

Yes, I'm with you Moose Smiley, Cunningham is a scumbag

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« Reply #28 on: February 27, 2008, 07:40:53 PM »

So, basically, McCain parades out a racist right-wing nut who has a history of this kind of stuff, then acts SHOCKED and totally unaware that this right-wing nut would say something like that, and the media talks about how good of a guy that straight-talker McCain is, for denouncing this guy.

How is this not a win-win for McCain again? The media is so in his pocket that it's disgusting.
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« Reply #29 on: February 27, 2008, 07:42:32 PM »

So, basically, McCain parades out a racist right-wing nut who has a history of this kind of stuff, then acts SHOCKED and totally unaware that this right-wing nut would say something like that, and the media talks about how good of a guy that straight-talker McCain is, for denouncing this guy.

How is this not a win-win for McCain again? The media is so in his pocket that it's disgusting.

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« Reply #30 on: February 27, 2008, 07:44:48 PM »

How is this not a win-win for McCain again? The media is so in his pocket that it's disgusting.
Umm.....bud....you may wanna stay out of this one while youre still an Obama supporter. This isnt really our campaigns strong point, I dont htink.
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« Reply #31 on: February 27, 2008, 07:47:46 PM »

How is this not a win-win for McCain again? The media is so in his pocket that it's disgusting.
Umm.....bud....you may wanna stay out of this one while youre still an Obama supporter. This isnt really our campaigns strong point, I dont htink.

While that is true he also seems to imply that the media should have spun this as a conspiracy theory about how McCain orchestrated it all in order to score political points and that such a coverage would be the objective non-biased approach. Hence, my "lol".
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« Reply #32 on: February 27, 2008, 07:47:56 PM »

How is this not a win-win for McCain again? The media is so in his pocket that it's disgusting.
Umm.....bud....you may wanna stay out of this one while youre still an Obama supporter. This isnt really our campaigns strong point, I dont htink.
Sure, they like Obama now, because he's more interesting than Clinton. But when it comes time to pick between McCain and Obama, they'll be firmly in the latter's camp.
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« Reply #33 on: February 27, 2008, 07:48:41 PM »

How is this not a win-win for McCain again? The media is so in his pocket that it's disgusting.
Umm.....bud....you may wanna stay out of this one while youre still an Obama supporter. This isnt really our campaigns strong point, I dont htink.

While that is true he also seems to imply that the media should have spun this as a conspiracy theory about how McCain orchestrated it all in order to score political points and that such a coverage would be the objective non-biased approach. Hence, my "lol".
Er, no. What I'm saying is that it was a successful tactic by McCain, facilitated by an adoring media establishment.
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« Reply #34 on: February 27, 2008, 07:53:37 PM »

How is this not a win-win for McCain again? The media is so in his pocket that it's disgusting.
Umm.....bud....you may wanna stay out of this one while youre still an Obama supporter. This isnt really our campaigns strong point, I dont htink.

While that is true he also seems to imply that the media should have spun this as a conspiracy theory about how McCain orchestrated it all in order to score political points and that such a coverage would be the objective non-biased approach. Hence, my "lol".
Er, no. What I'm saying is that it was a successful tactic by McCain, facilitated by an adoring media establishment.

You said that they were in his pocket. Both your former post and this one seems to indicate that you think the media is playing along with McCain and should depict the story in a different way. I assumed that you meant your crazy little conspiracy theory. But if you think the reportinng should have been something else I'm listening.
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« Reply #35 on: February 27, 2008, 07:59:01 PM »

How is this not a win-win for McCain again? The media is so in his pocket that it's disgusting.
Umm.....bud....you may wanna stay out of this one while youre still an Obama supporter. This isnt really our campaigns strong point, I dont htink.

While that is true he also seems to imply that the media should have spun this as a conspiracy theory about how McCain orchestrated it all in order to score political points and that such a coverage would be the objective non-biased approach. Hence, my "lol".
Er, no. What I'm saying is that it was a successful tactic by McCain, facilitated by an adoring media establishment.

You said that they were in his pocket. Both your former post and this one seems to indicate that you think the media is playing along with McCain and should depict the story in a different way. I assumed that you meant your crazy little conspiracy theory. But if you think the reportinng should have been something else I'm listening.
I don't think that McCain should have been treated positively for simply repudiating this guy. Frankly, any candidate with any sense would have done that, so it doesn't show that McCain is some sort of straight-talker willing to stand up to the far-right. Also, this guy had a history of making similar comments, which the media seems to forget when they portray McCain as the hero taking the high-ground and reaching out to the middle; if he had really wanted to take the high-ground and reach out to the middle, he wouldn't have embraced this Cunningham figure in the first place.
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« Reply #36 on: February 27, 2008, 08:01:09 PM »


How is this not a win-win for McCain again? The media is so in his pocket that it's disgusting.

Yet, according to a Rasmussen poll, 66% believe it was the intention of the New York Times to hurt the McCain campaign. I'm no conspiracy theorist, but I take the opposite line

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« Reply #37 on: February 27, 2008, 08:02:58 PM »

How is this not a win-win for McCain again? The media is so in his pocket that it's disgusting.
Umm.....bud....you may wanna stay out of this one while youre still an Obama supporter. This isnt really our campaigns strong point, I dont htink.
Sure, they like Obama now, because he's more interesting than Clinton. But when it comes time to pick between McCain and Obama, they'll be firmly in the latter's camp.

Of course. The media endorses a Democrats every election cycle.
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« Reply #38 on: February 27, 2008, 09:27:45 PM »

Interesting points are raised here. Both have been media darlings although both have come under heavy fire recently. It is true that media such as the NYT would turn on McCain once he had the nomination sewn up. They weren't McCain's friends and he should have seen that coming. It was naive of him.
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« Reply #39 on: February 27, 2008, 09:31:43 PM »

How is this not a win-win for McCain again? The media is so in his pocket that it's disgusting.
Umm.....bud....you may wanna stay out of this one while youre still an Obama supporter. This isnt really our campaigns strong point, I dont htink.

Have you gotten a flag pin yet?
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« Reply #40 on: February 27, 2008, 10:00:14 PM »

The first question is, how bruising will the Democratic nomination process be?

This will look like 1976 or 1988.
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« Reply #41 on: February 27, 2008, 10:47:43 PM »

How is this not a win-win for McCain again? The media is so in his pocket that it's disgusting.
Umm.....bud....you may wanna stay out of this one while youre still an Obama supporter. This isnt really our campaigns strong point, I dont htink.

While that is true he also seems to imply that the media should have spun this as a conspiracy theory about how McCain orchestrated it all in order to score political points and that such a coverage would be the objective non-biased approach. Hence, my "lol".
Er, no. What I'm saying is that it was a successful tactic by McCain, facilitated by an adoring media establishment.

You said that they were in his pocket. Both your former post and this one seems to indicate that you think the media is playing along with McCain and should depict the story in a different way. I assumed that you meant your crazy little conspiracy theory. But if you think the reportinng should have been something else I'm listening.
I don't think that McCain should have been treated positively for simply repudiating this guy. Frankly, any candidate with any sense would have done that, so it doesn't show that McCain is some sort of straight-talker willing to stand up to the far-right. Also, this guy had a history of making similar comments, which the media seems to forget when they portray McCain as the hero taking the high-ground and reaching out to the middle; if he had really wanted to take the high-ground and reach out to the middle, he wouldn't have embraced this Cunningham figure in the first place.

Is there any evidence McCain has ever listened to this guy's show or even had anything to do with scheduling him as a warm-up act or was even aware that's who was performing beforehand?  My guess is that McCain didn't know anything about this or about what kinds of things Cunningham says on his show.   This was done by some lower tier person, either with McCain's campaign or someone in the Ohio GOP.  Cunningham was a guy who was well-known in the city where the event was and so he was chosen by that person as a guy to speak before McCain's appearance.  They probably didn't have a lot of other good options.
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« Reply #42 on: February 28, 2008, 02:35:05 AM »

As for November, I'm confident McCain will win Florida, Ohio and hold enough to put himself over the top.

Florida maybe, but after the political mess with Ohio's Republican party in 2006, i dont see that state going anywhere near a Republican win in November
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