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« on: February 26, 2008, 12:21:22 AM »

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« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2008, 01:00:59 AM »

I don't think Clinton's problem has ever been her own positions.  Her platform is really very similar to Obama's.  Her biggest problem has been the way she has run her campaign.  Ceding the caucus states was one of the biggest mistakes she made.  Also, her campaign's decision to go negative against a campaign whose primary message is based on positivity and hope cast her as cynical and mean.  Furthermore, she hasn't managed her cash nearly as well as the Obama camp.
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« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2008, 01:34:15 AM »

  Also, her campaign's decision to go negative against a campaign whose primary message is based on positivity and hope cast her as cynical and mean.

Actually, she should have gone negative on him much sooner, and squashed him. That was her main mistake- not going negative soon enough. There are a lot of ways to go negative without a backfire. Obama himself went negative in late 2007.
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« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2008, 01:50:05 AM »

  Also, her campaign's decision to go negative against a campaign whose primary message is based on positivity and hope cast her as cynical and mean.

Actually, she should have gone negative on him much sooner, and squashed him. That was her main mistake- not going negative soon enough. There are a lot of ways to go negative without a backfire. Obama himself went negative in late 2007.

Attacking on the issues is not being negative; you seem to equate the two. Clinton has been negative on non-substantive issues while Obama has not.

If Clinton had found some sort of substantive thing to go after, then, yes, she should have used it. But I don't think she found anything where there was enough of a contrast between the two of them where she could portray Obama's position negatively--except health care, where she'd been assaulting him since at least October. It simply wasn't there.

The one point is that smearing early on might have prevented Obama from ever getting his positive message out--but more likely it would have simply increased his profile as the national media wondered why the frontrunner was taking time out to openly accuse a rival of being a candidate for black people, or a closet Muslim, or something.
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« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2008, 01:53:28 AM »

No, her horrible post Super Tuesday campaign doomed her. But it's one of the final nails in her coffin, in all liklihood.
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« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2008, 07:24:52 PM »
« Edited: February 26, 2008, 07:29:11 PM by pollwatch99-b »


Yes, Yes, Yes you nailed this.

I voted for Bill Clinton in 1992, the new democrat.  The one who was going to push through national health care.  Hillary didn't deliver because she wouldn't work with anybody.  When the plan failed to pass Congress in 1993, what did Hillary do?  Did she try again?  No, her plan was rejected.  She did nothing for 6-7 years. Who did she blame?  THE AMERICAN PEOPLE because they weren't ready for HER plan.  Could it be a problem with her plan?  No way

The vote on Iraq?  It's George W. Bushes fault, he misused her vote.

Hillary has ZERO ability to admit that she has ever made a mistake.

If any Hillary supporter would like to prove me wrong, give we one example where she said she made a mistake.  Even in the "race baiting" statement last weekend she regrets if anybody interpreted those remarks in a way that offended them ( something to that effect ).  Never, I was wrong.

We do not need her in the White House
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« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2008, 07:53:38 PM »

She has bigger fish to fry than this. It's pretty funny though.
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