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« on: February 24, 2008, 06:22:47 PM »

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/ny-usark245589997feb24,0,2670956.story

Obama needs to make a campaign ad about this.
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« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2008, 06:26:28 PM »

He could, but I don't think he needs to go negative.
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« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2008, 06:28:39 PM »

By so doing, he would prove he is no better than Hillary, and could provoke a backlash against himself.

And besides, there is no need. 
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« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2008, 06:31:24 PM »

She's making a fool of herself well enough on her own.
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« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2008, 06:41:54 PM »

She's making a fool of herself well enough on her own.

besides, this happened 33 years ago.
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« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2008, 06:52:17 PM »
« Edited: February 24, 2008, 06:58:05 PM by pollwatch99-b »

She had a choice to aggressive attack the 12 year old credibility or to question it.  She chose to aggressively attack it.  Says a lot about her.

Obama should stay 10,000 miles away from this.  The smell will travel on it's own.  Drudgereport already has it highlighted in RED on it's website. 
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« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2008, 06:58:15 PM »

Everyone has a constitutional right to confront witnesses against them; she was the lawyer hired to do that. I'd be more offended if she'd neglected her duties as an attorney.
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« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2008, 06:59:00 PM »

Everyone has a constitutional right to confront witnesses against them; she was the lawyer hired to do that. I'd be more offended if she'd neglected her duties as an attorney.

Agreed.

This does not bother me.  Besides, "Hillary Clinton is zealous, sometimes to the point of abandon"?  Not news.
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« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2008, 07:00:35 PM »

She had a choice to aggressive attack the 12 year old credibility or to question it.  She chose to aggressively attack it.  Says a lot about her.

Obama should stay 10,000 miles away from this.  The smell will travel on it's own.  Drudgereport already has it highlighted in RED on it's website. 

I personally don't see much of a difference.  Also, you seem to know a lot about this case.  Certainly more than the rest of us do. 
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« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2008, 07:09:46 PM »

She had a choice to aggressive attack the 12 year old credibility or to question it.  She chose to aggressively attack it.  Says a lot about her.

Obama should stay 10,000 miles away from this.  The smell will travel on it's own.  Drudgereport already has it highlighted in RED on it's website. 

I personally don't see much of a difference.  Also, you seem to know a lot about this case.  Certainly more than the rest of us do. 

I only know what I read in Newsday.  Here is the section I found most interesting.
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"I have been informed that the complainant is emotionally unstable with a tendency to seek out older men and to engage in fantasizing," wrote Rodham, without referring to the source of that allegation. "I have also been informed that she has in the past made false accusations about persons, claiming they had attacked her body."

Dale Gibson, the investigator, doesn't recall seeing evidence that the girl had fabricated previous attacks. The assistant prosecutor who handled much of the case for Mahlon Gibson died several years ago. The prosecutor's files on the case, which would have included such details, were destroyed more than decade ago when a flood swept through the county archives, Mahlon Gibson said. Those files also would have included the forensics evidence referenced in "Living History."

The victim was visibly stunned when handed the affidavit by a reporter this fall. "It kind of shocks me - it's not true," she said. "I never said anybody attacked my body before, never in my life."

In December, when Clinton was campaigning inIowa, the woman was being released from a state prison after serving a year for forging checks to pay for her methamphetamine addiction.
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That's an aggressive legal tactic that I don't find very appealing.  For those of you who think that's okay for an attorney to do to a 12 year old, you're welcome to your opinion.  It worked for the defendant but not my cup of tea

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« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2008, 07:15:32 PM »

This has gone on all of the major political websites now. The cable services will probably be reporting on it tomorrow, and, even if it's a bad reason for her final collapse, at least it will end things decisively.
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« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2008, 07:36:34 PM »

The problem with using this is that some political charges are impossible to believe, like saying Hillary is pro-rapist. 
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« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2008, 07:37:09 PM »

The problem with using this is that some political charges are impossible to believe, like saying Hillary is pro-rapist. 

It's still true.
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« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2008, 07:43:33 PM »
« Edited: February 24, 2008, 07:56:08 PM by pollwatch99-b »

This has gone on all of the major political websites now. The cable services will probably be reporting on it tomorrow, and, even if it's a bad reason for her final collapse, at least it will end things decisively.

I don't think it is that big a story.  If the man got off and attacked another child then that would be another situation.  Hillary got him a soft sentence, the victim does not blame Hillary for anything, and the defendant served his sentence.  He died without being a repeat offender. 

However, it does damage her reputation as an advocate of children rights.  Had this child had an attorney would Hillary Rodham been as aggressive in her approach?  The reader can answer that question.  In my book, that should have been done but I'm just an average citizen not a lawyer.  Lawyers can weigh in if any are on the board.  In my book, this child had legal rights also.  Who protected those rights?  It wasn't Hillary's job but would it have hurt to have the child rights protected also? 

"Echoing legal experts, Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson says the senator would have been committing professional misconduct if she hadn't given Taylor the best defense possible". 

I wonder if the experts were asked if the child's rights were adequately protected?

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« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2008, 08:04:02 PM »

If she's just served a sentence for forging checks doesn't that kind of lower her credibility when she claims to never have lied about being raped?

I don't think doing your job as a lawyer 30 years ago is a big deal.
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« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2008, 08:16:58 PM »
« Edited: February 24, 2008, 08:24:31 PM by pollwatch99-b »

If she's just served a sentence for forging checks doesn't that kind of lower her credibility when she claims to never have lied about being raped?

I don't think doing your job as a lawyer 30 years ago is a big deal.

It's not a big deal but would it have hurt to made sure the child had been appointed a court lawyer also?  I agree it wasn't Attorney Hillary Rodham's job to make sure that happened.  But desired Presidential Nominee who wants to campaign on a 35 year record of fighting for child and womans right sure should have made sure that this child rights had their full legal protection also.  Others can feel free to disagree.  That's the standard, I would expect of the advocate of their rights. 

In my book she took advantage of an 12 year old and a mother who didn't understand their rights also

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« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2008, 08:24:40 PM »

I don't think doing your job as a lawyer 30 years ago is a big deal.

That's what Johnnie Cochran was doing (minus the 30 years ago)
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« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2008, 12:47:42 AM »

It was her JOB to do this.  A total non-story.
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« Reply #18 on: February 25, 2008, 12:49:03 AM »


It was her job to say a 12 year old girl wanted to be raped?
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« Reply #19 on: February 25, 2008, 12:49:54 AM »

It was her job to say a 12 year old girl wanted to be raped?
It was her job to do what she could to help her client.  Had she not tried her 100% hardest to do everything she could to help her client, she could've been disbarred.
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« Reply #20 on: February 25, 2008, 01:01:37 AM »

It's the adversarial system. A lawyer's job is to zealously represent their client. Doesn't mean they have to believe a word of what they are saying.
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« Reply #21 on: February 25, 2008, 03:26:05 AM »

She was supposed to do this as part of her job, but it's definitely part of her "35 years of experience" that she would rather you not find out about.
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« Reply #22 on: February 25, 2008, 04:12:01 AM »

She was doing her job.  I can't stand defense lawyers, and I'd love to be a prosecutor, but even the VICTIM says: "I have to understand that she was representing Taylor," she said when interviewed in prison last fall. "I'm sure Hillary was just doing her job."
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« Reply #23 on: February 25, 2008, 09:26:24 AM »

The problem with using this is that some political charges are impossible to believe, like saying Hillary is pro-rapist. 

It's still true.

I'm sorry, but that's just pure stupidity.
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« Reply #24 on: February 25, 2008, 01:05:50 PM »

Everyone has a constitutional right to confront witnesses against them; she was the lawyer hired to do that. I'd be more offended if she'd neglected her duties as an attorney.

Agreed.

This does not bother me.  Besides, "Hillary Clinton is zealous, sometimes to the point of abandon"?  Not news.


I hate Hillary big time and I even I couldn't attack her for this.....sorry.  Obama won't touch this.
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