Why Lieberman will be McCain's VP

[politicaltipster]

1. Giuliani, Graham and Crist are unacceptable to the right.
2. Sanford or anyone from the right will be unacceptable to independants.
3. Condi is not a good campaigner.
4. Petraeus is too inexperienced (in domestic policy) and Palin is too inexperienced full stop.
5. Lieberman is liked by Hawks and some parts of the ER. He can also win over conservaitve democrats.
6. He can put states in the NE into play.
7. He won't run for President in 2012 or 2016.
8. He campaigned with McCain.
9. Kristol, Gingrich and Human Events have praised him.
10. Pawlentry couldn't carry MN.

http://thepoliticaltipster.wordpress.com/2008/02/23/why-i-have-just-put-50-at-121-on-the-man-below/

[falling apart like the ashes of American flags]

1. Giuliani, Graham and Crist are unacceptable to the right.

Probably, but I doubt any of those are being seriously considered.

2. Sanford or anyone from the right will be unacceptable to independants.

And with his current views, Lieberman is?

3. Condi is not a good campaigner.

Yes, but that's not the reason she won't be it.

4. Petraeus is too inexperienced (in domestic policy) and Palin is too inexperienced full stop.

More people who would never be considered.

5. Lieberman is liked by Hawks and some parts of the ER. He can also win over conservaitve democrats.

The hawks would vote for McCain anyway. ER? The only conservative Democrats who'd be swayed by Lieberman would be voting for McCain anyway, still pro-war kool-aid drinkers.

6. He can put states in the NE into play.

If the election was held again in Connecticut now, he'd lose. Tough to see why any other northeastern state would care about him, at least in a positive way.

7. He won't run for President in 2012 or 2016.

Irrelevant.

8. He campaigned with McCain.

The only person who has ever done so!

9. Kristol, Gingrich and Human Events have praised him.

OK. Whatever.

10. Pawlentry couldn't carry MN.

True, but supposedly there are different reasons some Republicans want him (which Phil keeps saying, though he never says what exactly these different reasons are.)

[Verily]

Lieberman has ruled it out himself.

[Democratic Hawk]

5. Lieberman is liked by Hawks and some parts of the ER. He can also win over conservaitve democrats.

Lieberman on the McCain ticket wouldn't bring me on board. And having done my National Journal 2006 Vote ratings, I'd have outhawked Lieberman in the Senate by a long shot

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I'm not a 'Republican'. There is no good reason why I should 'endorse' John McCain, who would pursue a path not too distinct from His Ineptness

Dave

[Robespierre's Jaw]

Lieberman will not be John McCain's running mate for two reasons:

1. He ruled himself out months ago

2. The Republicans wouldn't accept him

[Saxwsylvania]

Lieberman would be a good pick for independents, not-so-good to please conservatives (even though these malcontents bizarrely seem to like Lieberman more than McCain).

McCain/Lieberman would also really suck out the air of Obama's unity balloon.  A prominent Democrat running on a Republican ticket would be effective, if only for symbolic reasons.

[Duke 🇺🇸]

Too bad it won't happen. Lieberman has already come out publicly saying he will not run on McCain's ticket.

[Ben.]

1. Giuliani, Graham and Crist are unacceptable to the right.
2. Sanford or anyone from the right will be unacceptable to independants.
3. Condi is not a good campaigner.
4. Petraeus is too inexperienced (in domestic policy) and Palin is too inexperienced full stop.
5. Lieberman is liked by Hawks and some parts of the ER. He can also win over conservaitve democrats.
6. He can put states in the NE into play.
7. He won't run for President in 2012 or 2016.
8. He campaigned with McCain.
9. Kristol, Gingrich and Human Events have praised him.
10. Pawlentry couldn't carry MN.

1 - Probably (although Crist is a totally different proposition and probably would be acceptable).
2 - No.
3 - She wasnt ever a potential running mate in the first place.
4 - Never realistic potential VPs IMHO - Petraeus is after CJCs.
5 - No - he'd apeal to Jewish voters though, he doesnt bring anything McCain hasnt alraedy got.
6 - Hardly.
7 - But McCain needs a running mate who could run in 2012/16, which suggests the likes of Crist, Sanford, Thune etc...
8 - Which means squat in terms of the Veep stakes!
9 - Again, means very little.
10 - Probably, although you never know.

McCain's biggest need in a runningmate is somone who balances his age and his politics - Lieberman does neither - the likes of Sanford, Crist, Thune, Pawlentry etc... do.

On top of all that Lieberman has ruled himself out as a Veep on a ticket led by McCain.
 

[perdedor]

What on Earth makes you believe that Lieberman would throw north eastern states into play? Public opinion polls show that he'd lose re-election to Ned Lamont if it were held again today. That war mongering pseudo-Democrat wouldn't put dick into play.

[Mr. Morden]

Lieberman as McCain's running mate makes so little sense for so many reasons.  Rather than rehashing all of those reasons, let me just summarize them as best I can:

Very few people ever vote on the basis of the #2 guy on the ticket, so the main thing you want to make sure to do in picking a running mate is not to create a negative distraction.  Lieberman would create a massive distraction because the GOP base would be furious that McCain (who they already have some problems with) would be putting someone on the ticket with which they disagree on virtually everything aside from foreign policy.

[falling apart like the ashes of American flags]

Very few people ever vote on the basis of the #2 guy on the ticket, so the main thing you want to make sure to do in picking a running mate is not to create a negative distraction.  Lieberman would create a massive distraction because the GOP base would be furious that McCain (who they already have some problems with) would be putting someone on the ticket with which they disagree on virtually everything aside from foreign policy.

Very very true, especially the bolded part, which roughly 70% of the forum needs to be reminded of.

[Cubby]

Lieberman won't be chosen not only because he's ruled it out, but for the bigger reason that McCain must pick someone that the base supports (i.e. further right wing than him), since he makes the GOP ticket too moderate already.

2. Sanford or anyone from the right will be unacceptable to independants.

Whats wrong with Sanford? He's unknown to independents. I know next to nothing about him, except thats he the Republican Governor of South Carolina. He'd certainly be a better choice than the much bally-hooed Pawlenty.

[politicaltipster]

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That is based on one poll comissioned by DailyKos.com, hardly an objetive measure. Anyway, if you use the demographics in the 2006 exits to re-weigh the poll Lieberman actually has a larger lead than in the election.

http://thepoliticaltipster.wordpress.com/2007/09/18/the-truth-about-the-lieberpoll/

It is also undeniable that Lieberman's endorsement really boosted McCain, both in New Hampshire and Iowa. Before the endorsement McCain was behind Giuliani in NH and trailing Giuliani, Paul and Thompson in IA. After the endorsement McCain surged past Giuliani in both states and went up to 17% in IA at one point.

[Keystone Phil]

True, but supposedly there are different reasons some Republicans want him (which Phil keeps saying, though he never says what exactly these different reasons are.)

Yes, I have, BRTD, and you know I have. I have said he helps among wary conservatives and also helps balance out the ticket in terms of age. I've really had enough of you in general but if you're going to stick around and at least attempt to argue some points, don't misrepresent what I have or have not said. Thank you.

[Stranger in a strange land]

Add to all that Lieberman is only slightly younger than McCain and his stage presence is less than inspiring.

[Josh/Devilman88]

Lieberman will run away the consv vote from McCain.

[The Hack Hater]

He already said he wouldn't(roll eyes)

Well, I think McCain would either pick Sanford or Thune, Crist is still in his first term as govenor, and like Richardson in 2004, probably wants to be elected to a second term before considering any kind of presidential run.

[falling apart like the ashes of American flags]

True, but supposedly there are different reasons some Republicans want him (which Phil keeps saying, though he never says what exactly these different reasons are.)

Yes, I have, BRTD, and you know I have. I have said he helps among wary conservatives and also helps balance out the ticket in terms of age. I've really had enough of you in general but if you're going to stick around and at least attempt to argue some points, don't misrepresent what I have or have not said. Thank you.

Considering that he's frequently criticized by wary conservatives (see Free Republic), I don't see the first point. One of the things they don't like about him is he's taken action against global warming.

[Keystone Phil]

True, but supposedly there are different reasons some Republicans want him (which Phil keeps saying, though he never says what exactly these different reasons are.)

Yes, I have, BRTD, and you know I have. I have said he helps among wary conservatives and also helps balance out the ticket in terms of age. I've really had enough of you in general but if you're going to stick around and at least attempt to argue some points, don't misrepresent what I have or have not said. Thank you.

Considering that he's frequently criticized by wary conservatives (see Free Republic), I don't see the first point. One of the things they don't like about him is he's taken action against global warming.

I haven't heard much criticism actually but either way, he'll be hailed by the media as the conservative McCain needs (if he is selected) and that'll be enough.

[exopolitician]

True, but supposedly there are different reasons some Republicans want him (which Phil keeps saying, though he never says what exactly these different reasons are.)

Yes, I have, BRTD, and you know I have. I have said he helps among wary conservatives and also helps balance out the ticket in terms of age. I've really had enough of you in general but if you're going to stick around and at least attempt to argue some points, don't misrepresent what I have or have not said. Thank you.

Considering that he's frequently criticized by wary conservatives (see Free Republic), I don't see the first point. One of the things they don't like about him is he's taken action against global warming.

I haven't heard much criticism actually but either way, he'll be hailed by the media as the conservative McCain needs (if he is selected) and that'll be enough.

People only need to look at his past though, I mean just put into question that he was Al Gore's running mate and republicans will cringe.

[Keystone Phil]

True, but supposedly there are different reasons some Republicans want him (which Phil keeps saying, though he never says what exactly these different reasons are.)

Yes, I have, BRTD, and you know I have. I have said he helps among wary conservatives and also helps balance out the ticket in terms of age. I've really had enough of you in general but if you're going to stick around and at least attempt to argue some points, don't misrepresent what I have or have not said. Thank you.

Considering that he's frequently criticized by wary conservatives (see Free Republic), I don't see the first point. One of the things they don't like about him is he's taken action against global warming.

I haven't heard much criticism actually but either way, he'll be hailed by the media as the conservative McCain needs (if he is selected) and that'll be enough.

People only need to look at his past though, I mean just put into question that he was Al Gore's running mate and republicans will cringe.

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BRTD and I are talking about Pawlenty, not Lieberman.

I like Lieberman but I would not want him as McCain's running mate. That would be a disaster.

[© tweed]

Lieberman makes no sense as he only appeals to defense conservatives which is the one part of the three-headed Reagan coalition that McCain should have no trouble with.  (the others being economic and social conservatives; his VP likely will be an attempt to appeal to the latter)

[True Democrat]

Lieberman makes no sense as he only appeals to defense conservatives which is the one part of the three-headed Reagan coalition that McCain should have no trouble with.  (the others being economic and social conservatives; his VP likely will be an attempt to appeal to the latter)

I think your problem is that you forget that McCain doesn't think like all political analysts.  I think he'll pick someone he not only believes can help him win, but who he personally likes.

[© tweed]

Lieberman makes no sense as he only appeals to defense conservatives which is the one part of the three-headed Reagan coalition that McCain should have no trouble with.  (the others being economic and social conservatives; his VP likely will be an attempt to appeal to the latter)

I think your problem is that you forget that McCain doesn't think like all political analysts.  I think he'll pick someone he not only believes can help him win, but who he personally likes.

you can argue that a prospective McCain VP would have to meet both of those conditions, but not the latter to the exclusion of the former.  McCain isn't going to pick someone he likes with no regard to electoral politics; that's why Lieberman is not going to be part of the equation.

[12th Doctor]

5. Lieberman is liked by Hawks and some parts of the ER. He can also win over conservaitve democrats.

Lieberman on the McCain ticket wouldn't bring me on board. And having done my National Journal 2006 Vote ratings, I'd have outhawked Lieberman in the Senate by a long shot

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I'm not a 'Republican'. There is no good reason why I should 'endorse' John McCain, who would pursue a path not too distinct from His Ineptness

Dave

The problem is not with what GWB did, so much as how he went about it.  It he weren't a total jackass, he might actually be able to get a 45% approval rating.