If Hillary loses Texas and/or Ohio...

[Stranger in a strange land]

If Hillary loses Texas or Ohio will she drop out? Bill essentially drew a line in the sand earlier this week, and it would be difficult to see her continuing if she loses. Plus if she loses either one, she'll be all but mathematically eliminated, and even if she wins, she'll be broke. Something tells me she'll stay in a few more weeks just to show she can, no matter what the polls and advisers tell her.

[Verily]

I think so. I don't think she would make the decision, but I think she would be forced to it, by her donors, her campaign advisers, the party leaders, and maybe even Bill Clinton.

[Lief 🗽]

Here's what I think will happen:

If Clinton wins TX and OH,
She will keep going on to Pennsylvania, regardless of the margins.

If Clinton loses one and wins the other,
Clinton will at first declare that she is continuing on to PA, but endorsements by Gore, Pelosi, Edwards, Carter, etc. in the next couple days of Barack Obama paired with calls by these same bigshots for Clinton to step down for party unity, will force her out.

If Clinton loses both,
She will drop out the next day.

[Trilobyte]

Hasn't this been discussed in many previous threads? I think everyone already agrees she needs to win both to stay viable.

[Verily]

Hasn't this been discussed in many previous threads? I think everyone already agrees she needs to win both to stay viable.

Although we are aware that staying in after losing one (or even winning both by less than ten points, on average) would be quixotic and fruitless on Clinton's part as we have been counting delegates, that does not mean she would drop out. See Mike Huckabee.

[Stranger in a strange land]

Hasn't this been discussed in many previous threads? I think everyone already agrees she needs to win both to stay viable.

Although we are aware that staying in after losing one (or even winning both by less than ten points, on average) would be quixotic and fruitless on Clinton's part as we have been counting delegates, that does not mean she would drop out. See Mike Huckabee.

thank you; my question isn't whether or not she'll remain viable: it's whether or not she'll drop out.

[© tweed]

she drops out only if she loses both.  she stays in if she wins one or both.

[Angel of Death]

Winning is ambiguous. Especially in the case of Texas, it's well possible that the winner of the most delegates is not the same as the winner of the popular vote. Hillary could be in the position to pick whatever meaning is convenient for her.

[© tweed]

if she wins both states narrowly how will MSM spin it?  that she won and she's the comeback kid from the L11 streak she was on, or that she isn't on pace to make up delegates at a rate that she needs?  the latter seems likely to a degree as MSM has a relatively newfound and justified obsession with delegates.

[Verily]

if she wins both states narrowly how will MSM spin it?  that she won and she's the comeback kid from the L11 streak she was on, or that she isn't on pace to make up delegates at a rate that she needs?  the latter seems likely to a degree as MSM has a relatively newfound and justified obsession with delegates.

I suspect that the former would be the initial assessment as the media is not well-known for crunching the numbers immediately; the same happened in Nevada. However, within a few days they would be pointing out that she would needs 65% of all remaining pledged delegates or something, and point out that it virtually impossible for Clinton to lead in pledged delegates.

The fact that Obama will have neat and easy wins in Mississippi and Wyoming immediately afterwards won't hurt, either. And Clinton is making the same mistake she made last time: she's not organizing in the post-March 4 states (including Pennsylvania, where she made the humiliating if not detrimental mistake of failing to file a full slate of delegates).

[© tweed]

back during Nevada the delegate picture was meaningless as only 2% or so of pledged delegates had been assigned and it was more of a momentum game.

[Verily]

back during Nevada the delegate picture was meaningless as only 2% or so of pledged delegates had been assigned and it was more of a momentum game.

True. But the delegate allocation from Texas may not be clear until the next day anyway.