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WalterMitty
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« on: February 22, 2008, 11:08:30 PM »

how close was he to accepting john kerry's vp slot in 2004?

im kind of surprised conservatives havent been hammering him on that. 

you can search the ny times archives.  mccain did very little to discourage the democrats flirtation with him.
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« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2008, 11:14:44 PM »

Duh. He's a media whore. He likes to let folks know he'll reach across the aisle. Any notion that McCain would actually appear on a Dem ticket is naive.
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« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2008, 11:14:56 PM »

Everyone likes to have their ego stroked.
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« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2008, 11:16:34 PM »

In the final analysis, there is no way that McCain would have ever accepted any Vice Presidential offer from Kerry in 2004.

Don't forget, even back in 2004, he still wanted to run for President as the Republican nominee in 2008.  
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« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2008, 11:21:03 PM »

Duh. He's a media whore. He likes to let folks know he'll reach across the aisle. Any notion that McCain would actually appear on a Dem ticket is naive.

i never thought he would do it.

my point is that he never discourage the talk until right before the democrat convention.

i just wonder why conservatives havent made an issue out of that.
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« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2008, 11:25:05 PM »

how close was he to accepting john kerry's vp slot in 2004?

im kind of surprised conservatives havent been hammering him on that. 

I think McCain was very close to accepting the Veep slot in 2004. A Kerry/McCain ticket, according to some polls indicated that they'd smash Bush/Cheney into the ground.

Now that you mention it Walter, I am surprised that the conservatives haven't been mentioning it. Maybe they know, that McCain is they're only hope of holding onto the White House in 2008.
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« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2008, 11:25:27 PM »

It's been circulating on Talk-radio, but the MSM isn't going to take the issue up, until maybe the General Election (if at all).
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« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2008, 11:26:17 PM »

Duh. He's a media whore. He likes to let folks know he'll reach across the aisle. Any notion that McCain would actually appear on a Dem ticket is naive.

i never thought he would do it.

my point is that he never discourage the talk until right before the democrat convention.

i just wonder why conservatives havent made an issue out of that.

His "liberal" stances on taxes, immigration, and campaign finance are much more worthy of their attention and concern.
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« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2008, 03:29:41 AM »

how close was he to accepting john kerry's vp slot in 2004?

im kind of surprised conservatives havent been hammering him on that. 

you can search the ny times archives.  mccain did very little to discourage the democrats flirtation with him.

Here's how it was written up in Newsweek in their post-election behind-the-scenes tell-all story:

http://web.archive.org/web/20041108024600/www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6415519/site/newsweek/

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« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2008, 03:37:06 AM »

A Kerry/McCain ticket was never going to happen. It was Kerry trying to come across as bipartisan and independent minded. It was never a serious consideration or realistic possibility.
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« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2008, 11:15:14 AM »

didnt you support that idea in 2004, brtd?
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« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2008, 11:22:14 AM »

If he had made it know he was giving it true consideration, the Irrelevant Radio Right would be bashing him for it.....are they?  I really don't know.
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« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2008, 12:02:08 PM »

McCain's an egotistical attention whore, and everyone knows it. Which is why this is a completely irrelevant issue. It's just McCain being McCain.
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« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2008, 12:14:41 PM »

If he had made it know he was giving it true consideration, the Irrelevant Radio Right would be bashing him for it.....are they?  I really don't know.

Hannity has been hitting him on it.
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« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2008, 01:00:21 PM »

I don't know, but if I was a conservative Republican I'd be hitting him hard on it. In his political life, McVain has always been for McCain

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« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2008, 02:05:29 PM »

I answered this question on another thread about a month ago, but, here it is again.

First, McCain and Kerry (and their subordinates) have different stories on who approached who, and how serious the negotiations were.

As I previously noted, persons in both camps (including the principals) are so fact challenged (i.e. have a history of telling lies) that we will probably never know who approached who.

Second, contrary to the McCain assertions, the evidence is overwhelming that McCain DID seriously consider accepting the the Vice-Presidential nomination from Kerry.

The reason that McCain eventually declined to run as Kerry's Vice-Presidential nominee, was that he was running for reelection to the Senate at the time, and under Arizona law would have been precluded from seeking both offices at the same time, and was apprehensive that if he ran with Kerry and lost, it would constitute the end of his political career.
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« Reply #16 on: February 23, 2008, 03:12:06 PM »

I answered this question on another thread about a month ago, but, here it is again.

First, McCain and Kerry (and their subordinates) have different stories on who approached who, and how serious the negotiations were.

As I previously noted, persons in both camps (including the principals) are so fact challenged (i.e. have a history of telling lies) that we will probably never know who approached who.

Second, contrary to the McCain assertions, the evidence is overwhelming that McCain DID seriously consider accepting the the Vice-Presidential nomination from Kerry.

The reason that McCain eventually declined to run as Kerry's Vice-Presidential nominee, was that he was running for reelection to the Senate at the time, and under Arizona law would have been precluded from seeking both offices at the same time, and was apprehensive that if he ran with Kerry and lost, it would constitute the end of his political career.

You just contradicted yourself: if he was precluded from doing it, as it would have been a career ender, then he can't have seriously considered it; though I don't doubt that he wished that he could seriously consider it, solely in order to get back at Bush for what Rove pulled during the 2000 campaign.
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« Reply #17 on: February 23, 2008, 03:56:18 PM »

Everything I've seen indicates that this was something Kerry wanted and not McCain. This also makes very good sense since it would have been a great achievement for Kerry and an enormous gamble for McCain.
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« Reply #18 on: February 23, 2008, 04:51:28 PM »

I answered this question on another thread about a month ago, but, here it is again.

First, McCain and Kerry (and their subordinates) have different stories on who approached who, and how serious the negotiations were.

As I previously noted, persons in both camps (including the principals) are so fact challenged (i.e. have a history of telling lies) that we will probably never know who approached who.

Second, contrary to the McCain assertions, the evidence is overwhelming that McCain DID seriously consider accepting the the Vice-Presidential nomination from Kerry.

The reason that McCain eventually declined to run as Kerry's Vice-Presidential nominee, was that he was running for reelection to the Senate at the time, and under Arizona law would have been precluded from seeking both offices at the same time, and was apprehensive that if he ran with Kerry and lost, it would constitute the end of his political career.

You just contradicted yourself: if he was precluded from doing it, as it would have been a career ender, then he can't have seriously considered it; though I don't doubt that he wished that he could seriously consider it, solely in order to get back at Bush for what Rove pulled during the 2000 campaign.

You appear to be suffering from left-wing don't understand simple statementitis.

I did not contradict myself.

I said he seriously considered the offer, but, decided that if Kerry lost, his political career would be ended.

If Kerry had been elected, then McCain could have crowed that he helped defeat Bush.

It was not obvious to most that Kerry was going to lose.

Have you ever met McCain?

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« Reply #19 on: February 23, 2008, 04:54:12 PM »

Everything I've seen indicates that this was something Kerry wanted and not McCain. This also makes very good sense since it would have been a great achievement for Kerry and an enormous gamble for McCain.

Well Gustaf, please be so good as to answer some questions you have so far ignored.

First, have you ever met McCain?

Second, have you ever talked with him?

Third, just how much of the GDP should the government consume outside of a time of a declared war?

Fourth, what criteria do you use to decide whether an American state is "real"?

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« Reply #20 on: February 23, 2008, 05:15:43 PM »

didnt you support that idea in 2004, brtd?

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« Reply #21 on: February 23, 2008, 05:20:55 PM »


should we check the archives?  Smiley
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« Reply #22 on: February 23, 2008, 05:26:16 PM »


I bashed it on DU so I don't see why here'd be any different.
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