im sick to death of the comparisons to rfk

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

i dont know how he would have voted.

he says he would have voted no.  no one can say for sure.

how can you be certain he would have?  you cant.

Walter - I was born in 1959, so does that mean I can't say "I would have spoken out against the holocaust"  because I wasn't around in the 1940's???

[WalterMitty]

i dont know how he would have voted.

he says he would have voted no.  no one can say for sure.

how can you be certain he would have?  you cant.

Walter - I was born in 1959, so does that mean I can't say "I would have spoken out against the holocaust"  because I wasn't around in the 1940's???

no you cant say that 100% certainty.

[Duke 🇺🇸]

i dont know how he would have voted.

he says he would have voted no.  no one can say for sure.

how can you be certain he would have?  you cant.

Walter - I was born in 1959, so does that mean I can't say "I would have spoken out against the holocaust"  because I wasn't around in the 1940's???

Horrible comparison. Obama was alive in 2002. He could've formed an opinion on it at the time, but we really don't know how he may have voted. Chances are he may have voted for it like many of the other Democrat legislators. But I can't really make that assumption. He could have easily opposed it, being the far-left liberal that he is.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

i dont know how he would have voted.

he says he would have voted no.  no one can say for sure.

how can you be certain he would have?  you cant.

Walter - I was born in 1959, so does that mean I can't say "I would have spoken out against the holocaust"  because I wasn't around in the 1940's???

no you cant say that 100% certainty.

Well I wouldn't have any problem making that claim just as Obama has no problem making his claim.

I have no reason to disbelieve him unless you have some concrete examples to contradict what he's claiming.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

i dont know how he would have voted.

he says he would have voted no.  no one can say for sure.

how can you be certain he would have?  you cant.

Walter - I was born in 1959, so does that mean I can't say "I would have spoken out against the holocaust"  because I wasn't around in the 1940's???

Horrible comparison. Obama was alive in 2002. He could've formed an opinion on it at the time, but we really don't know how he may have voted. Chances are he may have voted for it like many of the other Democrat legislators. But I can't really make that assumption. He could have easily opposed it, being the far-left liberal that he is.

You and Walter just don't believe him......I have no problem with that.

[Democratic Hawk]

I've never likened Obama to either JFK or RFK nor would I but I do see something of Reagan in him in that Obama could well be the liberal, who reaches well beyond his ideological base, much like the conservative Reagan did before him

Most Americans were worse off in 1980 than they were in 1976; while many, if not most, Americans are worse off in 2008, than they were in 2000

Both Reagan and Obama encapsulate 'change' at junctures in history (1980 and 2008), when it is, arguably, most needed. Reagan succeeded the incompetent Carter; while Obama could succeed the incompetent Bush and go on to be a very successful president

Dave

Obama isn't running against Bush. I don't see how that applies.

To a point McCain's independent streak will innoculate him against charges that he'd be a continuation of Bush but, nevertheless, he's still aided and abetted an incompetent administration more than either of the two potential Democratic nominees. Among Republicans, McCain is the Washington candidate, who can be tied to Bush's unpopularity way more effectively than either Huckabee, Romney or Giuliani, who as outsiders, could be

Democrats would be wise not to make this election about Bush however. The Democratic presidential nominee be they Obama or Clinton must articulate a better vision and alternative policies to those being offered by McCain across a range of issues be they in the domestic or foreign-policy spheres

My original post was more about Reagan and Obama as 'change' candidates succeeding, and potentially succeeding, incompetent administrations of the other party; and how Obama could be the liberal, who like the conservative Reagan before him, who reaches beyond his ideological base. American prestige went into decline under Carter and has gone into decline under Bush

In all honesty, I don't perceive McCain as being much of a 'change' candidate at all. That's how it applies. Bush has been abysmal enough to tarnish the GOP brand for a while yet

Dave

[exopolitician]

The only thing I can campare Obama and Kennedy [JFK] on is that both their campaigns  were based around "hope" and both were young when they ran for President. Thats about it really...

and there are no real comparisons I can make between Obama and RFK...

[Lincoln Republican]

I just can't believe how much Obama is like RFK, young, charismatic, bringing hope and inspiration to a nation hungry for change. 

Sorry Walter, I couldn't resist.

Seriously though, Obama got to where he is today through his own hard work and determination.

Robert Kennedy rode to fame on his brother John F. Kennedy's name and the tragic circumstances surrounding his brother's untimely death, not to mention RFK got a plum cabinet job because his brother was President.

The most striking similarity that Obama shares with RFK is that Obama is as ill qualified and as ill prepared to serve as President of the United States as was RFK.