will old, racist New Deal Democrats vote for McCain or Obama?

[Keystone Phil]

All six of them that are still alive may vote for McCain.

I really do feel bad if people are that naive. Listen, I don't like it. I don't like the fact that there are people out there that will turn out just to vote against Obama because he's black. I don't want that to be the reason why my candidate wins. However, I do realize that these people exist. Time to wake up from the "Obama 40-something state landslide, everybody loves this guy" fantasy.

[falling apart like the ashes of American flags]

Though one final thought for now; the very worst thing he can do over this is to pretend that there is no problem.

Which is the reason why I don't understand why his campaign hasn't and doesn't do something to stop the Muslim crap as much as they do promoting "change".

Because the Muslim crap is only believed by total braindead, complete f**king idiots who'll believe any lie and will never vote for Obama anyway?

That's simply not true.

Considering how blatantly obvious it is that Obama's not a Muslim how could anyone with an IQ over 75 still believe that?

[Keystone Phil]

Though one final thought for now; the very worst thing he can do over this is to pretend that there is no problem.

Which is the reason why I don't understand why his campaign hasn't and doesn't do something to stop the Muslim crap as much as they do promoting "change".

Because the Muslim crap is only believed by total braindead, complete f**king idiots who'll believe any lie and will never vote for Obama anyway?

That's simply not true.

Considering how blatantly obvious it is that Obama's not a Muslim how could anyone with an IQ over 75 still believe that?

Again, I don't understand how it's blatantly obvious. Is he wearing a big crucifix necklace or something that I am not seeing?

People shouldn't believe that he's a Muslim but the fact of the matter is that people do.

[falling apart like the ashes of American flags]

Though one final thought for now; the very worst thing he can do over this is to pretend that there is no problem.

Which is the reason why I don't understand why his campaign hasn't and doesn't do something to stop the Muslim crap as much as they do promoting "change".

Because the Muslim crap is only believed by total braindead, complete f**king idiots who'll believe any lie and will never vote for Obama anyway?

That's simply not true.

Considering how blatantly obvious it is that Obama's not a Muslim how could anyone with an IQ over 75 still believe that?

Again, I don't understand how it's blatantly obvious. Is he wearing a big crucifix necklace or something that I am not seeing?

People shouldn't believe that he's a Muslim but the fact of the matter is that people do.

It's blatantly obvious because there is as much evidence pointing toward him being a Muslim as there is of me being a Muslim.

Statistically, I'm actually MORE likely to be a Muslim in fact, due to my neighborhood.

[Keystone Phil]

It's blatantly obvious because there is as much evidence pointing toward him being a Muslim as there is of me being a Muslim.

You really are something. Tell me what difference that means to anyone who doesn't really know you or Obama.

[exopolitician]

Though one final thought for now; the very worst thing he can do over this is to pretend that there is no problem.

Which is the reason why I don't understand why his campaign hasn't and doesn't do something to stop the Muslim crap as much as they do promoting "change".

Because the Muslim crap is only believed by total braindead, complete f**king idiots who'll believe any lie and will never vote for Obama anyway?

That's simply not true.

Considering how blatantly obvious it is that Obama's not a Muslim how could anyone with an IQ over 75 still believe that?

Again, I don't understand how it's blatantly obvious. Is he wearing a big crucifix necklace or something that I am not seeing?

People shouldn't believe that he's a Muslim but the fact of the matter is that people do.

Well those people are blatantly out of the loop then and need to research this before coming to outrageous conclusions due to rumors that have been floating around. People are stilll going to believe it unfortunately, but I think its gotten across to alot of people that he isnt Muslim. Hes stated his case numerous times.

[perdedor]

All six of them that are still alive may vote for McCain.

I really do feel bad if people are that naive. Listen, I don't like it. I don't like the fact that there are people out there that will turn out just to vote against Obama because he's black. I don't want that to be the reason why my candidate wins. However, I do realize that these people exist. Time to wake up from the "Obama 40-something state landslide, everybody loves this guy" fantasy.

Honestly, I think a lot of Republican "realists" need to wake up from the delusion that a majority of Obama supporters believe that he'll win the general election in a 40+ state landslide. We're not that hackish, as it would be if one were to believe in the possibility of a Rick Santorum victory in 2006. However, what I do believe, is that the majority of these pinheaded racists, who would vote against Obama because of his skin, would be more inclined to vote for McCain in the first place. I also believe that very few of these people are left in the Democratic party. There are virtually no dixiecrats left, anywhere, in any capacity. It's a completely irrelevant demographic.

[Beet]

I'm absolutely astounded at the people I come across when talking politics that think Obama is a Muslim.

Liberals have to remember that there is still a significant contingent of people in this country who think Saddam Hussein was behind 9/11.

But a couple weeks ago I talked with someone who I know is a Democrat, who is supporting Hillary, but his reason was that "a Muslim should not be elected President of the United States," and that "he went to a religious Muslim school in Indonesia." I tried to tell him no, Obama is not a Muslim, he is a Christian, he was never a Muslim; the school he went to was a secular school. The guy's response was basically "I know about Obama," as if he had done some research (?) and nothing I was saying was swaying him. This is utterly absurd. 

[Sam Spade]

Exactly, Beet, exactly.  And what has been the Obama people's response to it?

[Keystone Phil]

There are virtually no dixiecrats left, anywhere, in any capacity. It's a completely irrelevant demographic.

But there are still racists that might not have voted that often in previous races who can crawl out of their caves and vote in this one.

By the way, I based my Santorum prediction on the fact that he has come back when facing similar odds. Basing Obama winning states like Kansas and Louisiana is purely wishful thinking.

[TeePee4Prez]

Consider this- Philadelphia's 2007 Mayoral race.  I thought Michael Nutter, a well-spoken and popular black Dem, was only gonna get 75% in Philly against Al Taubenberger, a white Republican due to the same factor in parts of Northeast and South Philadelphia.  Michael Nutter getting 88% even beating John Kerry in Philly proved me wrong.  My point- you're the right candidate, say the right things, you'll get elected regardless.  True, Nutter did go a bit more conservative than other blacks historically have, but I believe his politics are still left of center. 

So long as Obama stays away from the Malcolm X politicians (i.e. Sharpton), he is smart and articulate enough to get a lot of white voters.

[Keystone Phil]

Consider this- Philadelphia's 2007 Mayoral race.  I thought Michael Nutter, a well-spoken and popular black Dem, was only gonna get 75% in Philly against Al Taubenberger, a white Republican due to the same factor in parts of Northeast and South Philadelphia.  Michael Nutter getting 88% even beating John Kerry in Philly proved me wrong.  My point- you're the right candidate, say the right things, you'll get elected regardless.  True, Nutter did go a bit more conservative than other blacks historically have, but I believe his politics are still left of center. 

It's different in city races and that race was also basically decided. Come on, it was Al Taubenberger. And, as you stated, Nutter is more conservative. We'll just agree to disagree.

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Absolutely but he's still going to run into some obstacles especially in areas like NE Philly.

[perdedor]

There are virtually no dixiecrats left, anywhere, in any capacity. It's a completely irrelevant demographic.

But there are still racists that might not have voted that often in previous races who can crawl out of their caves and vote in this one.

My point being that these cave dwelling racists would probably have not voted Democrat in the first place, and probably live in areas in which Obama would preform poorly regardless. Simply said, I doubt any increased racist turnout would noticeably effect the result of the election.

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I can't say that anyone is their right mind is banking on Obama winning either Kansas or Louisiana, though I'm sure there are some hackish loons out there in the Obama camp...just as there are in the McCain camp in that some believe he could carry Connecticut or Minnesota. I've said it before, and I'll say it again...don't judge a large pool of people by it's most vocal loonies.

[Keystone Phil]

Simply said, I doubt any increased racist turnout would noticeably effect the result of the election.

Eh, I don't know. We'll have to see.

[falling apart like the ashes of American flags]

Exactly, Beet, exactly.  And what has been the Obama people's response to it?

What's he supposed to do? Run an ad that just says "I am not a Muslim."?

What's going to work for anyone so mindboggingly stupid they still believe he's a Muslim?

[Keystone Phil]

Exactly, Beet, exactly.  And what has been the Obama people's response to it?

What's he supposed to do? Run an ad that just says "I am not a Muslim."?

What's going to work for anyone so mindboggingly stupid they still believe he's a Muslim?

I don't want him to do it but he could pull a Harold Ford 2006.

[opebo]

He could run an ad showing him singing along in a black Babtist church, with the people leaping around like in Blues Brothers.  Big smile, good blacks worshippin' massah's god.. the whites'll eat it up.

[TheGlobalizer]

I'd vote for a Muslim.

[Democratic Hawk]

Part of Obama's appeal to me is that he is not a black-identity political agitator - the opposite , in fact

Dave

[TeePee4Prez]

Exactly, Beet, exactly.  And what has been the Obama people's response to it?

What's he supposed to do? Run an ad that just says "I am not a Muslim."?

What's going to work for anyone so mindboggingly stupid they still believe he's a Muslim?

I don't want him to do it but he could pull a Harold Ford 2006.

For a black Dem to almost win a state like Tennessee is quite impressive.  Which is why I think Obama will win some of the aforementioned areas you think will be tough.  Remember, TN is WAAAAY more conservative.  And yeah, I think Nutter is a good example.   

If the GOP was dumb enough to nominate Huckabee, you can bet your ass Obama would be pulling well in the 60s, if not 70s in NE and South Philly along with similar figures in the Philly suburbs.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

My point being that these cave dwelling racists would probably have not voted Democrat in the first place, and probably live in areas in which Obama would preform poorly regardless.

Couldn't be more wrong actually.

[classical liberal]

It astounds me that people have such a high estimation of the degree of awareness of the average voter.  As far as many people are concerned, the fact that he has a Muslim name and the fact that he went to school in Indonesia (if they are even aware that Indonesia is a country, let alone a Muslim country, or, moreover, the country in which Obama went to grade school) are sufficient to cast the suspicion of being a Muslim on Obama.  I would actually hazard that, post-9/11, being thought a Muslim will hurt him more than being black with many of the folks who, in addition to being either bigoted of prejudiced against black people, are even more bigoted, prejudiced, or just suspicious of Muslims (or people whom they think are Muslims, like Hindus, Sikhs, Assyrians, Copts, and, unfortunately for him, Barak Obama).

[patrick1]

My point being that these cave dwelling racists would probably have not voted Democrat in the first place, and probably live in areas in which Obama would preform poorly regardless.

Couldn't be more wrong actually.

Many of the more racist areas are in the NE where old government policy alienated many of the white working class with issues like busing, public housing and the ghettoization of their old neighborhoods. The battles of the 60s still have a relic affect.  I think this is a factor  that states like Mass or NJ voted more pro Hillary than homogeneous populations like Idaho. The urban, white working class is a dying demographic but the latent prejudices have filtered to some of the white flight suburbs.