Then what is patriot to you? Back up statements with some substance. I know Obama supporters aren't used to hearing or doing that.
Look, I'm sorry for being rude, but why don't you back your allegations with some sort of substance? You can't say Obama is unpatriotic just because he spent first grade in another country, because he doesn't wear a certain piece of jewelery, or because of something his wife was misquoted as saying. Such reasoning is just shallow and pointless.
Considering that the man's beliefs are entirely based in doing what he thinks is best for America, only some sort of hack would assume he doesn't love his country. The burden of proof is on you to somehow show he's unpatriotic, which you haven't really done at all.
Wife was misquoted? She was shown on TV saying it. How is that being misquoted?
First off, could you please respond to all of what I said rather than simply ignoring what you can't easily rebut? I'd like to at least understand where you're coming from here.
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I am speaking in terms of the general election. Do you honestly believe that argument you make about Obama being patriotic is going to fly with the general public. They are going to see that he refuses to wear a flag pin and his wife said this is the first time she is proud of her country in her adult lifetime and immediately say his family isn't crazy about America.
You people really think that everyone thinks like you, don't you? Most people won't say "well, let's see what patriotism really is" and go from there.
With all due respect, "I know how Americans think and you don't" is just a silly allegation. His wife's quote is a non-issue, as I showed earlier. Also, few people even care if a politician carries around a pin of a little flag on their chest, and the few that do would never vote Democratic anyway.
Your method as a whole is a bit confusing here. Are you arguing that you don't think Obama is patriotic or that the American people won't think Obama is patriotic? Because it seems that although first you attempted the former, you were unable to express such an opinion and now resort to just saying "oh the american people won't think so anyway lol," which is essentially a cop-out.
I'm sorry, I was in class and wasn't able to respond promptly to this thread. My previous posts were made from my iPhone, which has trouble quoting long passages. Anyway ..
I never attempted to say he wasn't patriotic, rather many Americans would interpret his actions as being such. I don't think he's unpatriotic, though his protests to wearing the flag pin are that of a liberal idealist who likes to contemplate what patriotism really means. I would know--I'm at a very liberal university and we've discussed the meaning of 'patriotism' on several occasions and most of the liberal students--which make up 80% of the student body---share the same view as Obama and most of his supporters.
His wife's statement may be a nonfactor now, but that's because it received very little press coverage. It will be great for a Republican attack ad. And, the argument "I know how Americans act and you don't" is bad, but you are essentialy claoiming the same thing. I've based my argument over what happened to Kerry last election and what I've heard people say about the flag pin. Liberals don't take issue with it, but moderates, veterans and Republicans sure as hell do.
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