Is Hillary's blue collar support disintegrating?
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« on: February 19, 2008, 10:23:08 PM »

She's lost Brown County and is below 40% in Winnebago County (only about 23% in, but still...). On paper she should've won these areas in a walk.
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« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2008, 10:30:27 PM »

it is taking a hit, yes.

but a lot of it is her own fault.  she should have been fighting for wisconsin all along, instead of running around texas talking about a primary that was 3 weeks away.
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« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2008, 10:32:27 PM »

The Death of Hillary Clinton concluded as Political Suicide...marked February 19th, 2008 at 10:30pm. R.I.P Mrs. Clinton....you shall be missed on the Political scene.
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« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2008, 10:32:36 PM »

Considering that Obama land-slided white men, I'd say yes.
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« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2008, 10:35:04 PM »

if clinton does win impressively in texas AND ohio, she needs to drop out.  she doesnt want to end up looking like mike huckabee.

she could have a good political career ahead of her, even if she doesnt become president.  majority leader?  sounds good to me.
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« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2008, 10:35:40 PM »

R.I.P Mrs. Clinton....you shall be missed on the Political scene.

I'll have to disagree there.
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« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2008, 10:36:18 PM »

R.I.P Mrs. Clinton....you shall be missed on the Political scene.

I'll have to disagree there.

Just go with it for now....
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« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2008, 10:47:12 PM »

Obama won every income group in Wisconsin.
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« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2008, 11:18:09 PM »

Based on what we are seeing in Wisconsin it certainly appears that way.  But the true tale will be told once we see Texas and Ohio.

As someone who likes both candidates, I would like to send a message to the strictly pro-Obama crowd -- remember that we will need Hillary's large bloc of voters in November.  Gloating and laughing at her political demise would be very unwise.
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« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2008, 11:39:09 PM »

Based on what we are seeing in Wisconsin it certainly appears that way.  But the true tale will be told once we see Texas and Ohio.

As someone who likes both candidates, I would like to send a message to the strictly pro-Obama crowd -- remember that we will need Hillary's large bloc of voters in November.  Gloating and laughing at her political demise would be very unwise.

Agreed.

The fact that Obama finally seems to be cracking her base is a bad sign for her. But we still have a long way to go. Don't forget that if she wins both Ohio and Texas the media will be branding her the comeback kid again....

If she loses Texas, I think it's pretty much over. It won't officially be of course, but the pressure on her to drop out will start to mount, and the superdelegates will start going for Obama en masse.
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« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2008, 12:40:17 AM »

Based on what we are seeing in Wisconsin it certainly appears that way.  But the true tale will be told once we see Texas and Ohio.

As someone who likes both candidates, I would like to send a message to the strictly pro-Obama crowd -- remember that we will need Hillary's large bloc of voters in November.  Gloating and laughing at her political demise would be very unwise.

I don't think thats going to be a big problem.  I think the CNN analysts said that a large portion of Hillary supporters would be happy with Obama as the nominee.  Also, unless Obama surmounts a national gloating campaign between now and November 4th I'm pretty sure most Hillary supports  will come around to Obama by then.
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« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2008, 01:00:24 AM »

Clinton's collapse in Wisconsin was quite dramatic. She will need to run much better, much better, among working class whites in Ohio and Texas, particularly Ohio, to win those states.
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« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2008, 01:03:13 AM »

Clinton's collapse in Wisconsin was quite dramatic. She will need to run much better, much better, among working class whites in Ohio and Texas, particularly Ohio, to win those states.

If we are talking about "if" she will win. She's already not the nominee.
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« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2008, 01:18:22 AM »

Obama won every income group in Wisconsin.
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He even won among voters with only a High School Diploma, 51-47%

Although Clinton won Douglas County 57-42%, which from my understanding is the most working class county in Wisconsin.
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« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2008, 01:29:01 AM »

based upon the Wisconsion results, I would say that yes, it is. This doesn't look good for Texas and Ohio. She'll win them narrowly, if at all. She can probably keep limping along if she loses Texas. If she loses both however, the pressure will start mounting on her to drop out.
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« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2008, 05:15:54 AM »

No; disintegrating is much too big a word. Obama does seem to have made serious inroads into the working class vote in Wisconsin though (though in some respects BRTD chose the wrong counties to look at, btw) which is very interesting. The big question is how typical working class voters in Wisconsin are of working class voters elsewhere.
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