Hillary supporters : I've had enough of the attitude

[8 out of 11 is not deserved]

I'm tired of seeing Hillary supporters want to see justification of why Obama is deserving.

It's time for Hillary supporters to get over it.  She is not entitled to be nominated President. 

Here's the question.  What does Hillary bring to the table other than Obama?

Is it her strong record on not accepting PAC money?  ( please specify )
Is it her record of accomplishment on health care? ( please specify )
Is it her bold stands on fixing social security ? ( please specify )
Is it her record of working with all parties and not being a polarizing figure ? ( please
    specify )
Is it her new approach to foreign policy ? ( please specify )
Is it her record of accomplishment on trade ? ( please specify )
Is it her record on controlling government spending and earmarks? ( please specify )
Is it the campaign she is running for President that is uniting the democratic party?
   ( please specify )

Time for Hillary supporters to recognize that she is trailing in the campaign and instead of trying to tear down Obama, the real question is why Hillary? 

SHE IS NOT ENTITLED TO BE NOMINATED

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Your posts read as though you are someone who likes to write letters to newspapers.

[Eraserhead]

Your posts read as though you are someone who likes to write letters to newspapers.

There is nothing wrong with being a concerned citizen.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

Your posts read as though you are someone who likes to write letters to newspapers.

But a very good letter......one that I might actually read all the way through.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

and you're the one with the problem with the attitude of others? You've been going on ad nauseum at Clinton supporters to justify why they support her.

I'm almost at the point where I don't care which one it is, I just want the thing over.

[8 out of 11 is not deserved]

Point taken....I've removed We from the title and changed to I

[exopolitician]

Who cares, the Hillary supporters [and the annoying republicans backing her for an easy victory in November] are just going to b!tch and moan about how Obama sucks, and how we in now way should be talking about how we are tired of Clinton hackery on this forum and the attitude...blah blah blah....so this thread isnt going to solve anything except start more bickering and personal attacks on one another.

[Flying Dog]

geez. It seems like all these threads devolve into a simple fight on Obama's rhetoric.

[Torie]

Point taken....I've removed We from the title and changed to I

  Point excised.

[8 out of 11 is not deserved]

geez. It seems like all these threads devolve into a simple fight on Obama's rhetoric.

No, the question is what is Hillary offering that makes her so compelling and why do her supporters think she's entitled to the nomination whereas Obama needs to justify it.
She should earn it like every candidate has to. 

[exopolitician]

geez. It seems like all these threads devolve into a simple fight on Obama's rhetoric.

No, the question is what is Hillary offering that makes her so compelling and why do her supporters think she's entitled to the nomination whereas and Obama needs to justify it.

Cause shes a Clinton....a CLINTON....A CLINTON FOR GOODNESS SAKES....no justification needed obviously

[Keystone Phil]

Haha...uh...I hope this is not directed at me. I'm obviously not a conventional "supporter." I "support" her for other reasons. I certainly don't believe she is entitled to win but at the same time, I think Obama supporters need to realize the same.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Your posts read as though you are someone who likes to write letters to newspapers.

But a very good letter......one that I might actually read all the way through.

You should never confuse "I AGREE WITH THIS" with "THIS IS A GOOD LETTER".

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

Oh for God's sake.


The hyperbole is quite ridiculous - so every attack on Clinton is justifed and any defence is hackery? Conversely any attack on Obama is based on hackery or racism?

It is possible to see good points and bad for both you know?

[8 out of 11 is not deserved]

Haha...uh...I hope this is not directed at me. I'm obviously not a conventional "supporter." I "support" her for other reasons. I certainly don't believe she is entitled to win but at the same time, I think Obama supporters need to realize the same.

No not directed at any single person. 

I think it's time to send the Bushes and the Clinton's packing.  If anybody is thinking about Elizabeth Dole or a Kennedy forget that also.

Time to end the era of the Political ruling class

[JSojourner]

Thanks, Poll.  I basically agree.  I have no problem with Clinton being a Senator or a Bush being a Governor somewhere.  But this notion that "it's my turn" for the Presidency is really getting ponderous.

Good post, M8!

[agcatter]

Bush, Clinton, Bush.........gotta be Clinton again because, uh, it's her turn, her turn HER TURN dammit!

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

Any Clinton supporter who actually believes that deserves to clipped in the back of the head.

[8 out of 11 is not deserved]

Oh for God's sake.


The hyperbole is quite ridiculous - so every attack on Clinton is justifed and any defence is hackery? Conversely any attack on Obama is based on hackery or racism?

It is possible to see good points and bad for both you know?

Where is the attack on Hillary?   If she is better qualified on these items, let somebody tell us why. 

There is an absolute attack here.  The attack here is the concept that she is entitled to the nomination.   She isn't.  She is the candidate that is behind in this race.  People should stop asking what Obama brings to the table and start asking if Hillary is bringing something to the table.  If she is, vote for her. 

Right now the focus is about trying to take Obama down by the Hillary campaign as far as I'm concerned.  Let's stop that and ask why Hillary?

[J. J.]

Oh for God's sake.


The hyperbole is quite ridiculous - so every attack on Clinton is justifed and any defence is hackery? Conversely any attack on Obama is based on hackery or racism?

It is possible to see good points and bad for both you know?

Where is the attack on Hillary?   If she is better qualified on these items, let somebody tell us why. 

There is an absolute attack here.  The attack here is the concept that she is entitled to the nomination.   She isn't.  She is the candidate that is behind in this race.  People should stop asking what Obama brings to the table and start asking if Hillary is bringing something to the table.  If she is, vote for her. 

Right now the focus is about trying to take Obama down by the Hillary campaign as far as I'm concerned.

Wait a minute.  I've gone out of my way to describe Obama as "sincere" and "intelligence."  I think it will be a long and difficult campaign with the lead shifting back and forth and, correctly, pointed out some structural advantages Clinton has, if Obama doesn't win big.

I actually think now that Obama could be a weaker candidate in the Fall against McCain.

[8 out of 11 is not deserved]

Oh for God's sake.


The hyperbole is quite ridiculous - so every attack on Clinton is justifed and any defence is hackery? Conversely any attack on Obama is based on hackery or racism?

It is possible to see good points and bad for both you know?  Let's talk about what Hillary brings to the table that is better than Obama

Where is the attack on Hillary?   If she is better qualified on these items, let somebody tell us why. 

There is an absolute attack here.  The attack here is the concept that she is entitled to the nomination.   She isn't.  She is the candidate that is behind in this race.  People should stop asking what Obama brings to the table and start asking if Hillary is bringing something to the table.  If she is, vote for her. 

Right now the focus is about trying to take Obama down by the Hillary campaign as far as I'm concerned.

Wait a minute.  I've gone out of my way to describe Obama as "sincere" and "intelligence."  I think it will be a long and difficult campaign with the lead shifting back and forth and, correctly, pointed out some structural advantages Clinton has, if Obama doesn't win big.

I actually think now that Obama could be a weaker candidate in the Fall against McCain.

That is clearly something every voter should consider.  Who they think the stronger candidate is.  Let me just say this for you to consider.  Hillary has run a horrible campaign and has managed to polarize the democratic party.  I'm probably biased but I see Obama much stronger in the General Election. 

What's wrong is to assume Hillary should be the nominee, paint Obama as just words with no substance, try to make him the "black" candidate, make him a "homo", accuse him of plagiarism or treat him as if he has to prove his worth but Hillary doesn't as her campaign and some of her supporters have.  It's wrong. 

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

Oh for God's sake.


The hyperbole is quite ridiculous - so every attack on Clinton is justifed and any defence is hackery? Conversely any attack on Obama is based on hackery or racism?

It is possible to see good points and bad for both you know?

Where is the attack on Hillary?   If she is better qualified on these items, let somebody tell us why. 

There is an absolute attack here.  The attack here is the concept that she is entitled to the nomination.   She isn't.  She is the candidate that is behind in this race.  People should stop asking what Obama brings to the table and start asking if Hillary is bringing something to the table.  If she is, vote for her. 

Right now the focus is about trying to take Obama down by the Hillary campaign as far as I'm concerned.  Let's stop that and ask why Hillary?

I wasn't referring to you personally.

I think Obama's experience and knowledge of foreign policy is weaker than Clinton's - and against McCain that worries me.

BOTH Clinton and Obama have to prove they have what it takes, not a simple "they're behind... it's their turn now". If any Clinton supporter EVER said to me that Clinton deserves the presidency... then, as I said , I would clip them. 6 months ago Obama was struggling, he was getting money and publicity, but the polls barely moved. Clinton made the mistake, not of being arrogant or cocky, but running a national campaign - when she should have been running a primary campaign.

Obama was the one with nothing to lose, he went for it, and it's paid off. From the backs of the AA and younger voters, the momentum grew and as Clinton was shown to be not the inevitable - her strengths have been eaten into - and the loses grew from there.

The media is as much to blame as anyone else for this Clinton inevitability factor. Sure she rode it, being the frontrunner gives you more attention, therefore more publicity and more money. But the double-edged sword is, early-frontrunners have a tendency to stumble.

My biggest single concern about Obama, no matter how much I may agree with the changes he wants to make, every president determined to "change Washington" has ended up leaving knowing that Washington doesn't change unless it wants to. The thing is, we have NO CLUE what kind of president any of these people are going to be. Obama may try to be a uniter (what happens if they don't), Clinton may be polarizing... who knows? Plus I think Clinton's Iraq plan is sensible, as opposed to Obama's which could lead to a far bigger geo-political nightmare.

I'm now leaning undecided - a prolonged Primary fight is not what the Democratic party needs. I think Obama is smart, he's experienced in certain elements (but not others) - he's inspiring the young and is bringing independents over. On the other hand I think Clinton knows how the game is played - Obama wants to change the rules, but you need to win first to be able to change them.

Electorally, I think Obama and Clinton would be sucessful in different parts of the country against McCain - Clinton would be stronger in the upper south, Obama in the South-West. McCain's presence does throw that area a little into disarray.

One of the key reasons I've been so wary in the past to support Obama is the fanatical quality of many supporters. There are reasonable concerns about Obama, but many dismiss them off-hand or scream "HACK!" and run away. His experience (especially foreign policy) will be a problem for him, no amount of "racist!"'s or "just read his website!" will get rid of them. His supporters seem incredibly thin-skinned - you do realise just how bad the Republican attack machine will be? - John McCain may wear a dog-whistle... but many of the party messengers will be using a bull-horn. I'm not saying that's a good reason not to nominate him, but his supporters have got to get a HELL of a lot tougher.

Wow... I'm exhausted.

[Jake]

I'm honestly tired of the hive mind attitude from Obama supporters.

[John Dibble]

I'm honestly tired of the hive mind attitude from Obama supporters.

We are the Obama. You will be assimilated. Your political distinctiveness will be added to our own. Resistance is futile... YES WE CAN!

[Duke 🇺🇸]

Oh for God's sake.


The hyperbole is quite ridiculous - so every attack on Clinton is justifed and any defence is hackery? Conversely any attack on Obama is based on hackery or racism?

It is possible to see good points and bad for both you know?

Where is the attack on Hillary?   If she is better qualified on these items, let somebody tell us why. 

There is an absolute attack here.  The attack here is the concept that she is entitled to the nomination.   She isn't.  She is the candidate that is behind in this race.  People should stop asking what Obama brings to the table and start asking if Hillary is bringing something to the table.  If she is, vote for her. 

Right now the focus is about trying to take Obama down by the Hillary campaign as far as I'm concerned.

Wait a minute.  I've gone out of my way to describe Obama as "sincere" and "intelligence."  I think it will be a long and difficult campaign with the lead shifting back and forth and, correctly, pointed out some structural advantages Clinton has, if Obama doesn't win big.

I actually think now that Obama could be a weaker candidate in the Fall against McCain.

I agree with you after hearing his victory speech tonight. It sounded like a socialist/communist talking. He wants to take all away from the rich to pay the poor, raise the minimum wage, and build the economy from the bottom up, which isn't possible if he would take Econ 101.

I think he'll be much easier to beat once people actually learn where he stands. Right now the far-left has control.