Cimarron county, Oklahoma

[Filuwaúrdjan]

These results are presented without comment:

Clinton 33%
Obama 28%
Edwards 23%
Richardson 9%

Another fun result in Pushmataha (which voted for George Wallace in 1968)...

Clinton 54%
Edwards 22%
Obama 16%

Obama did even worse in the other Wallace county (Atoka) but he did, just about, beat Edwards there.

[Sam Spade]

The other two Panhandle counties produced similar amusing results.

How many counties in Oklahoma did Edwards beat Obama, btw?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

How many counties in Oklahoma did Edwards beat Obama, btw?

Five; Adair, Ellis, Haskell, Latimer, Pushmataha

[Sam Spade]

How many counties in Oklahoma did Edwards beat Obama, btw?

Five; Adair, Ellis, Haskell, Latimer, Pushmataha

I wonder how much I should expect similar results from rural west Texas...  Predictable.

[Rob]

As these primaries continue, the point is only going to get reinforced: rural white folks in the South don't like Obama. Look at southwest Virginia, especially the dirt-poor mining counties where Obama got well under a fifth of the vote (and in Buchanan County, less than 10 percent). I wouldn't be surprised if he does just as badly- or worse- in rural Kentucky and West Virginia.

[WalterMitty]

my biggest question for cimarron county is how in the hell did it go democrat in the 1990 governor's race.

nice county.  those people obviously love the lord.

[Aizen]

As these primaries continue, the point is only going to get reinforced: rural white folks in the South don't like Obama. Look at southwest Virginia, especially the dirt-poor mining counties where Obama got well under a fifth of the vote (and in Buchanan County, less than 10 percent). I wouldn't be surprised if he does just as badly- or worse- in rural Kentucky and West Virginia.

Or some parts of rural Ohio. Kentucky and WV I really don't give a damn about but Ohio I do.

[Sam Spade]

As these primaries continue, the point is only going to get reinforced: rural white folks in the South don't like Obama. Look at southwest Virginia, especially the dirt-poor mining counties where Obama got well under a fifth of the vote (and in Buchanan County, less than 10 percent). I wouldn't be surprised if he does just as badly- or worse- in rural Kentucky and West Virginia.

Or Southern Ohio. Kentucky and WV I really don't give a damn about but Ohio I do.

You should also care about western and northeastern PA...  Certain parts of Indiana too...  Fortunately, some of this area in NC is Republican, otherwise...

[Brittain33]

You should also care about western and northeastern PA...  Certain parts of Indiana too...  Fortunately, some of this area in NC is Republican, otherwise...

Northeastern PA is far more ethnically diverse than these regions of Appalachia. No, it doesn't mean that they're all going to love Obama, but it means that it's hard to generalize from an overwhelmingly Scots-Irish/English and poor demographic to one that is a mix of Catholic immigrant communities which has somewhat more recent memories of being part of a healthy economy, as in, more recent than 1840.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

You should also care about western and northeastern PA...  Certain parts of Indiana too...  Fortunately, some of this area in NC is Republican, otherwise...

Northeastern PA is far more ethnically diverse than these regions of Appalachia. No, it doesn't mean that they're all going to love Obama, but it means that it's hard to generalize from an overwhelmingly Scots-Irish/English and poor demographic to one that is a mix of Catholic immigrant communities which has somewhat more recent memories of being part of a healthy economy, as in, more recent than 1840.

Have a look at how well Obama did in the "ethnic" working class parts of your state.

[Joe Biden 2020]

I don't know the county-by-county breakdown in Oklahoma, but I do know that the only county Obama won was Oklahoma County (Oklahoma City), that happens to be my county, though, just barely.

Here's some interesting statistics on Cimarron County.

As of 2006, it had a population of 2,807 making it the smallest population county in the state of Oklahoma

It is the largest land area county in the state of Oklahoma.

It is the only county in Oklahoma that has one town (Kenton) resting just barely west the Mountain Time Zone/Central Time Zone line.

It is the only county in Oklahoma to border three different states (Colorado, New Mexico, Texas).

It is nestled in the middle of the High Plains and houses the highest point in Oklahoma (Black Mesa at nearly 5,000 feet), which BTW is in the Mountain Time Zone.

Black Mesa is actually about 100-200 feet higher than Albuquerque, New Mexico just 4-5 hours to its southwest.

Cimarron County gets no news service and no newspaper from Oklahoma City, yet it is still governed by Oklahoma City which is about 7 hours southeast of Boise City, OK (the county seat of Cimarron County).

[Brittain33]

Have a look at how well Obama did in the "ethnic" working class parts of your state.

Most of our state is ethnic working class. He did significantly better than the single digits and teens he pulled down in Appalachian counties in Virginia and Tennessee.

Also, New Bedford and South Boston have less of a history than Appalachia of swinging to the Republicans because the Democratic nominee is too cosmopolitan, by whatever definition you care to use.

[Aizen]

As these primaries continue, the point is only going to get reinforced: rural white folks in the South don't like Obama. Look at southwest Virginia, especially the dirt-poor mining counties where Obama got well under a fifth of the vote (and in Buchanan County, less than 10 percent). I wouldn't be surprised if he does just as badly- or worse- in rural Kentucky and West Virginia.

Or Southern Ohio. Kentucky and WV I really don't give a damn about but Ohio I do.

You should also care about western and northeastern PA...  Certain parts of Indiana too...  Fortunately, some of this area in NC is Republican, otherwise...

Question - does some parts of southern Illinois (i.e. the ones Hillary one) represent that same demograph?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Question - does some parts of southern Illinois (i.e. the ones Hillary one) represent that same demograph?

The area of Illinois that Obama lost is the southern Illinois coalfield. So, broadly speaking, yes.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Have a look at how well Obama did in the "ethnic" working class parts of your state.

Most of our state is ethnic working class. He did significantly better than the single digits and teens he pulled down in Appalachian counties in Virginia and Tennessee.

Yes, but I was thinking in particular of the townships and districts that are pretty much monolithically "ethnic" working class.

...which you spotted...

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Actually I'm not making any such remark in reference to the November election yet.

Btw, I seem to remember reading that Clinton has some sort of family link to Northeast Pennsylvania. Can't recall details though.

[WalterMitty]

Have a look at how well Obama did in the "ethnic" working class parts of your state.

Most of our state is ethnic working class. He did significantly better than the single digits and teens he pulled down in Appalachian counties in Virginia and Tennessee.

Also, New Bedford and South Boston have less of a history than Appalachia of swinging to the Republicans because the Democratic nominee is too cosmopolitan, by whatever definition you care to use.

south boston=gentrification.  i wouldnt exactly compare it to appalachia.  most of the working class irish are long gone.

new bedford, from what i understand, has a high hispanic and portugese population.  i havent looked at new bedford specifically, but obama fared quite badly in bristol county as a whole.

[Jake]

Btw, I seem to remember reading that Clinton has some sort of family link to Northeast Pennsylvania. Can't recall details though.

I know her family owns a home on a lake near Scranton. Don't know past that. I do know her and Bill visited the area numerous times while he was President for vacation type stuff.

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It's sure ethnically diverse, it's just that none of the ethnicities are particularly likely to vote for Obama at all. The entire area is just the type of working class, ethnic, veiled racist community that will kill him. And the margins will matter. PA-10 has four delegates (63% for a 3-1 split) and PA-11 has five delegates (70% for a 4-1 split). I'd bet on the first happening, and the second isn't completely impossible.

Speaking of Portugese, Bristol County, Mass. has 29%?

[WalterMitty]

29% sounds right to me.

but most of those portugese are in new bedford and fall river.

there is a lot of suburbia and exurbia in bristol county as well.