How did Clinton do better in MD than in VA?
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« on: February 13, 2008, 04:54:06 PM »

In Virginia, Clinton got 35% of the vote.  In Maryland, she got 37% of the vote.

Now, before yesterday, I'd have dismissed as lunacy any prediction that said Clinton would do better in MD than VA.

What happened?

I really find it hard to imagine that the white demographics are that much more favorable in MD to make up for the 10% difference in the black population (20% in VA vs. 30% in MD).

So how did it happen?
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« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2008, 04:55:35 PM »

MD = closed primary
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« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2008, 05:00:35 PM »


Indeed.  Based on exit polls, Obama would have gotten only 56% in Virginia if it had been closed.
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« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2008, 05:04:46 PM »

BRTD actually gets it completely right.
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« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2008, 05:05:18 PM »


Indeed.  Based on exit polls, Obama would have gotten only 56% in Virginia if it had been closed.

That'd do it.  Thanks guys.
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« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2008, 05:08:12 PM »

Of the upcoming contests,

WI, TX, VT are completely open.

OH & RI are partially open, though they may automatically reregister you as a Democrat.


So much for Clinton winning Wisconsin, then.
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« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2008, 06:22:39 PM »

Of the upcoming contests,

WI, TX, VT are completely open.

OH & RI are partially open, though they may automatically reregister you as a Democrat.


So much for Clinton winning Wisconsin, then.

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« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2008, 06:31:47 PM »

I doubt there is much difference between open and semi-open contests. Although Obama has been winning Republicans voting in the Democratic primary handily, they're never more than 5-6% of the vote. The only caveat is Vermont, where I suspect a great deal of residual Republican registration may vote in the Democratic primary. (I don't know if Republicans still have a higher registration rate there than they "should", but given Vermont's hard left turn over the past decade and a half, it'd be no surprise.)
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« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2008, 06:33:11 PM »

I doubt there is much difference between open and semi-open contests. Although Obama has been winning Republicans voting in the Democratic primary handily, they're never more than 5-6% of the vote. The only caveat is Vermont, where I suspect a great deal of residual Republican registration may vote in the Democratic primary.

Great stat and reply.  Truly appreciated.  I thought Republicans crossed over more than that.   
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« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2008, 06:34:18 PM »

I doubt there is much difference between open and semi-open contests. Although Obama has been winning Republicans voting in the Democratic primary handily, they're never more than 5-6% of the vote. The only caveat is Vermont, where I suspect a great deal of residual Republican registration may vote in the Democratic primary. (I don't know if Republicans still have a higher registration rate there than they "should", but given Vermont's hard left turn over the past decade and a half, it'd be no surprise.)

Only 5-6% of the vote, yes, but they also generally vote >70% for Obama, and every little bit helps.  If they were not there, that'd be that many less votes for Obama.
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« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2008, 06:36:54 PM »

I doubt there is much difference between open and semi-open contests. Although Obama has been winning Republicans voting in the Democratic primary handily, they're never more than 5-6% of the vote. The only caveat is Vermont, where I suspect a great deal of residual Republican registration may vote in the Democratic primary. (I don't know if Republicans still have a higher registration rate there than they "should", but given Vermont's hard left turn over the past decade and a half, it'd be no surprise.)

Only 5-6% of the vote, yes, but they also generally vote >70% for Obama, and every little bit helps.  If they were not there, that'd be that many less votes for Obama.

How many open/semi-open primaries did he win by less that 6%?  I don't think he's raking in delegates from the crossover based upon Verily's reply.
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« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2008, 06:38:18 PM »

I doubt there is much difference between open and semi-open contests. Although Obama has been winning Republicans voting in the Democratic primary handily, they're never more than 5-6% of the vote. The only caveat is Vermont, where I suspect a great deal of residual Republican registration may vote in the Democratic primary. (I don't know if Republicans still have a higher registration rate there than they "should", but given Vermont's hard left turn over the past decade and a half, it'd be no surprise.)

Only 5-6% of the vote, yes, but they also generally vote >70% for Obama, and every little bit helps.  If they were not there, that'd be that many less votes for Obama.

How many open/semi-open primaries did he win by less that 6%?  I don't think he's raking in delegates from the crossover based upon Verily's reply.

Missouri was an open primary, so I guess I see Gabu's point.
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« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2008, 06:38:53 PM »

How many open/semi-open primaries did he win by less that 6%?  I don't think he's raking in delegates from the crossover based upon Verily's reply.

There was Missouri as Verily said, and Texas looks like it could be a hard fight as well.
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« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2008, 12:11:29 AM »

I'm not exactly sure about how Ohio's primary rules work but I'm fairly certain that you have to sit out two years worth of primaries in order to switch parties.   If I'm right then not too many Republicans will be voting for Obama in March.
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« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2008, 12:34:55 AM »

Of the upcoming contests,

WI, TX, VT are completely open.

OH & RI are partially open, though they may automatically reregister you as a Democrat.


So much for Clinton winning Wisconsin, then.

She wasn't going to win Wisconsin even if it was closed.  the black vote (albeit fairly small) combined with the Madison vote (where she will get clobbered) made Wisconsin basically impossible even under a closed Primary
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