Obama's speech at his Wisconsin rally

[falling apart like the ashes of American flags]

Oh wow. he's owning this. He just hit a home run with the comment about McCain could never say he supported the war, and McCain's 100 years comment is the reason he shouldn't get 4 years in the White House.

[AndrewTX]

As I stated at the start of the race, if Obama is the nominee, I will really have a tough time deciding if I'll vote for him or McCain, and tonights speech again makes it that much tougher.

[Aizen]

Yeah, he was hitting McCain pretty hard. That's good, he needs to prove he's a fighter

[Lief 🗽]

Much better than Clinton's speech about growing corn in El Paso.

[patrick1]

Good speech and he is an excellent orator.  You have to pay for all of the stuff he is putting forth-when he does actually mention something concrete. 

[Thereisnospoon]

It's not memorizing to me in so much as it's essentially the stump speech he's been using for the last month, but there's no denying he's an excellent orator. That alone doesn't make a good president, yet considering what we've been stuck with for eight years, it's a start.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

The location says a bit doesn't it?

Clinton's in Texas - primary in 3 weeks/ Obama's in Wisconsin - primary in a week.

[ilikeverin]

Huh?  I've heard this before, I swear.  Oh, stump speech.  I see.

I do agree he's a good orator.  That's part of why he's more electable.

[J. J.]

Huh?  I've heard this before, I swear.  Oh, stump speech.  I see.

I do agree he's a good orator.  That's part of why he's more electable.

It's getting tired; he peeked at SC.

[ilikeverin]

Huh?  I've heard this before, I swear.  Oh, stump speech.  I see.

I do agree he's a good orator.  That's part of why he's more electable.

It's getting tired; he peeked at SC.

Well, I only listened after Super Tuesday, IIRC.

[Lief 🗽]

So, after Obama's awesome speech, we get McCain.

ROFL at people who think this guy can beat Obama.

[Aizen]

All of the speeches for ALL of the candidates sound similar because we political junkies have been watching them for a while. I prefer this to McCain lulling me to sleep though.

[Thereisnospoon]

So, after Obama's awesome speech, we get McCain.

ROFL at people who think this guy can beat Obama.

I will never underestimate an opponent. Ever. Things can change overnight so I'm not going to say this is in the bag simply because of their orating ability.

That being said, even if Obama's speech is simply a stump speech (which is essentially what McCain's speech is as well), I'd rather listen to the former repeat himself than the latter.

[Nutmeg]

It's getting tired; he peeked at SC.

What did he see?

[Aizen]

You have to pay for all of the stuff he is putting forth-when he does actually mention something concrete. 

You have to pay for things? Really? Under McCain we won't spend a dime? The fact is the Republicans have no credibility on financial responsibility after this administration though.

[Saxwsylvania]

So, after Obama's awesome speech, we get McCain.

ROFL at people who think this guy can beat Obama.

It is impossible for a great mind to be elected President in this day and age.  Instead we will get stuck with a demagogue.

[Thereisnospoon]

So, after Obama's awesome speech, we get McCain.

ROFL at people who think this guy can beat Obama.

It is impossible for a great mind to be elected President in this day and age.  Instead we will get stuck with a demagogue.

Yeah, I know. I see Obama and immediately think of Uncle Adolf.

Because, you know, great speaking skills automatically qualifies you as a demagogue.

[Alcon]

It is impossible for a great mind to be elected President in this day and age.  Instead we will get stuck with a demagogue.

With all respect to McCain, he's the second-guiltiest of empty speeches in this race, and it's a close race.

[TheresNoMoney]

That speech was incredible, right up there with his Iowa victory speech as his best of the campaign. Really great, the crowd of 18,000 was incredibly moved.

I just don't see any way he is not the next President of the United States. His potential is unlimited.

[patrick1]

You have to pay for all of the stuff he is putting forth-when he does actually mention something concrete. 

You have to pay for things? Really? Under McCain we won't spend a dime? The fact is the Republicans have no credibility on financial responsibility after this administration though.

The Republicans have been appalling on spending, however, if Obama is to achieve all of this soaring rhetoric then we will have some shuffling to do.  I'm open to listen to him.   From my perspective on his speech, I also got some veiled classism and anti-business sentiment.  Red meat for the populists or policy?

[NHPolitico]

The last part of Obama's speech tonight (I just watched it on DVR) where he raises the volume of his voice, that starts "It's the same message we had when we were up" and ends with "... and our time for change has come" is exactly like a polished Charismatic preacher in the South, working the congregation up into a lather (My grandfathers were both employed as such). I almost reflexively said "Amen" after each phrase in that section (that's how those churches work-- the pastor gets to the meat of his sermon where he's talking about how bad the devil is and he says sentence after sentence with power and a brief pause, like cannon fire (boom! boom! boom! boom!) and the congregation fills up the pauses with a unanimous "Amen.") and it really is amazing to me how skilled he is at using these rhetorical devices. Obama could teach the best rhetoric class ever because he knows all the weapons you can use to get the audience to do what you want them to do.

[TheresNoMoney]

From my perspective on his speech, I also got some veiled classism and anti-business sentiment.  Red meat for the populists or policy?

Hopefully both.

[patrick1]

From my perspective on his speech, I also got some veiled classism and anti-business sentiment.  Red meat for the populists or policy?

Hopefully both.

I grew up working class so I can understand this appeal,  however, it is very misguided.  Many Americans work for and invest in the evil corporations. How dare the largest one make a pedestrian 10% Gross profit.

[TheresNoMoney]

I grew up working class so I can understand this appeal,  however, it is very misguided.  Many Americans work for and invest in the evil corporations. How dare the largest one make a pedestrian 10% Gross profit.

People wouldn't care if not for the fact that they're paying $3.00/gallon at the pump.  But as such, they are really pissed off. Can you blame them?

[patrick1]

I grew up working class so I can understand this appeal,  however, it is very misguided.  Many Americans work for and invest in the evil corporations. How dare the largest one make a pedestrian 10% Gross profit.
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People wouldn't care if not for the fact that they're paying $3.00/gallon at the pump.  But as such, they are really pissed off. Can you blame them?

People get pissed off about a lot of things but it doesn't mean they are right. Milk is expensive too- lets attack the evil dairy farmers. Things costs money and companies should strive to make money for their investors.  Exxon Mobil's 10% G.P. is not bilking.  I think it is just an easy target and disingenuous,